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Re: Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas 

Post#61 » by kamaze » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:32 pm

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I've been saying they were weak up front since before the season started...

Messing around with trade checker they can get Tyson Chandler for Lin, Quincy Acy, Sean Kilpatrick it's a good thing they still have Randy Foye's rights he makes the trade go through. Zeller can't be traded until December. All of the players traded are expendable and trading a pick for him is as MDB would say a Billy King move.

PHX doesn't care about winning and will get a point guard back when they trade Bledsoe so Lin and Foye not playing would be ok with them.

We could pick up Ben Udoh to be the 3rd string pg then using the dpe.


if you were Phoenix, you would take that trade?

If I were Phoenix, I'd absolutely do that. I could be 100% wrong but I don't think Chandler is really leading those young guys well.

This deal would give PHX a player who always leads by example whether he's suited up or in a suit. Not only is Lin cheaper, he could opt out and give them more cap space this offseason. While I doubt big FAs would consider them, they could at least offer cap space for bad contracts and picks like we did in order to obtain more assets while their young guys grow up.

It's a terrible move for the Nets. We'd be giving up 2 healthy 3pt shooters and taking on a guy who's only good for lobs. Additionally, we'd be trading away the player who the front office and coaching staff believe is the ideal model of professionalism and leadership for the team. This is completely antithetical to Markinson's ideology.

Why would we give up so much to gain so little, if anything at all. If we did such a trade, people would start asking why there's such a lack of 3pt shooting on the bench.


I disagree Lin's out for the season and Kilpatrick is being used as a point guard not as a scorer off the bench. For them he would go back to the instant offense off the bench player. You gotta give up something to get something.
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Re: Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas 

Post#62 » by brook » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:35 am

MrDollarBills wrote:one bad loss sends this board into panic mode. pathetic.


I'm not in panic mode, I always like Satoransky and I think another ball handler can be useful for us. He's a very underrated player and can be acquire for cheap! He has size, height, court vision and can score, like Dinwiddie.
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Re: Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas 

Post#63 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:04 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:All of the comments in this thread, except for two, were made prior the game. I don't see panic, at least not in this thread.



its in general...and i'm not singling people out. i think collectively this loss is being taken way overboard. I don't believe we're ultimately the low energy team that got beat last night and not the team that had played won 3 games prior that plays aggressively and energy/max effort and tons of scoring.

we're going to have crap nights some times. but i definitely think that last night's performance wasn't the norm for this group.

Be honest...did you read post-game comments from that other site? If so, I can understand why you'd feel like everyone is panicking. :lol:


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Re: Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas 

Post#64 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:38 am

If Philly declines Okafors team option he becomes a DPE candidate. We could probably get him for next to nothing.
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Post#65 » by kamaze » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:13 am

I'd pass on Okafor his skill set doesn't match the needs of the team. 10 years ago he would've been a stud but now centers ;for the most part; have to be mobile from what I've seen he's not . On offense he's a low post scorer which doesn't fit the coach's offense Tyson Chandler is a better fit but he might not fit Kenny's offensive scheme either.
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Post#66 » by Prokorov » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:34 pm

yea agreed i wouldnt take him for free. we need mobile defensive minded bigs
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Post#67 » by Keith Van Horn » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:46 pm

I think you guys are missing the points I wanted to make on Okafor:

- He's young. We're looking for young. Booker and Mozgov won't be here forever.
- He's underdeveloped. Kenny and his staff are excellent at player development.
- He's a big man. We need front court help.
- He's being phase out in Philly. We could get him for very cheap.

Don't look at him as a finished product. Look and see what can be. He's only been in the league for what, 3 years? Has Rondae shown a leap in his game? Now maybe we take a shot and he's another Anthony Bennett... but maybe he can be the center of the future? As long as we don't finance the future (can't see how here with what Marks has been playing his hand) I think we should consider making a play.


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Post#68 » by brook » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:30 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:I think you guys are missing the points I wanted to make on Okafor:

- He's young. We're looking for young. Booker and Mozgov won't be here forever.
- He's underdeveloped. Kenny and his staff are excellent at player development.
- He's a big man. We need front court help.
- He's being phase out in Philly. We could get him for very cheap.

Don't look at him as a finished product. Look and see what can be. He's only been in the league for what, 3 years? Has Rondae shown a leap in his game? Now maybe we take a shot and he's another Anthony Bennett... but maybe he can be the center of the future? As long as we don't finance the future (can't see how here with what Marks has been playing his hand) I think we should consider making a play.


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Okafor is garbage on defense, rebound, lateral mobility and don't stretch the floor or run the floor.

He is the younger and much worse version of Brook Lopez.

Philadelphia didn't play much him because don't fits the modern basketball "rules" and he isn't so strong to build a team around him.
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Post#69 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:53 pm

Okafor would be sitting on the bench with the rest of the 7 footers we have....
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Post#70 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:18 pm

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Keith Van Horn wrote:I think you guys are missing the points I wanted to make on Okafor:

- He's young. We're looking for young. Booker and Mozgov won't be here forever.
- He's underdeveloped. Kenny and his staff are excellent at player development.
- He's a big man. We need front court help.
- He's being phase out in Philly. We could get him for very cheap.

Don't look at him as a finished product. Look and see what can be. He's only been in the league for what, 3 years? Has Rondae shown a leap in his game? Now maybe we take a shot and he's another Anthony Bennett... but maybe he can be the center of the future? As long as we don't finance the future (can't see how here with what Marks has been playing his hand) I think we should consider making a play.


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Okafor is garbage on defense, rebound, lateral mobility and don't stretch the floor or run the floor.

He is the younger and much worse version of Brook Lopez.

Philadelphia didn't play much him because don't fits the modern basketball "rules" and he isn't so strong to build a team around him.


I agree with a lot of the things you said but he is an elite finisher and Post player and I don’t think it’s ridiculous to assume his shot would improve under Atkinson like Mozgov and Lopez.

Also, it’s not like Mozgov/Allen/Zeller are good defenders, rebounders or shooters. Allen shows glimpses on defense and is athletic but he’s the only one. Zeller and Mozgov share many of Okafors flaws but none of his skills.

Also Okafor didn’t play a lot in Philly mainly because of their log jam at center throughout his career with Noel/Embiid/Holmes.

I think he would 100% make this team better this season and it seems like we could probably get him for Sean Kilpatrick since Philly probably won’t pick up his option.
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Re: Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas 

Post#71 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:20 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:Okafor would be sitting on the bench with the rest of the 7 footers we have....


Personally I think he’s better than every center on our roster rn and would probably start for the team.

Allen has more potential though.
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Post#72 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:26 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:Okafor would be sitting on the bench with the rest of the 7 footers we have....


Personally I think he’s better than every center on our roster rn and would probably start for the team.

Allen has more potential though.

my sarcastic gripe is directed at Kenny for insisting not using bigs to his advantage or to counter the opponents advantage...
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Post#73 » by Ror1997 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:43 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:I think you guys are missing the points I wanted to make on Okafor:

- He's young. We're looking for young. Booker and Mozgov won't be here forever.
- He's underdeveloped. Kenny and his staff are excellent at player development.
- He's a big man. We need front court help.
- He's being phase out in Philly. We could get him for very cheap.

Don't look at him as a finished product. Look and see what can be. He's only been in the league for what, 3 years? Has Rondae shown a leap in his game? Now maybe we take a shot and he's another Anthony Bennett... but maybe he can be the center of the future? As long as we don't finance the future (can't see how here with what Marks has been playing his hand) I think we should consider making a play.


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Yeah I'm for Okafor too for these same reasons. Hes a low risk high reward guy. You bank on him needing a change of scenery. What's the worst that can happen? A failed Okafor experiment isn't the end of the world, and this front office is competent enough to know when to pull the plug.

All it takes is a wake up call to change a players mindset. Case and point: D'angelo Russell.
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Post#74 » by Keith Van Horn » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:21 pm

Ror1997 wrote:
Keith Van Horn wrote:I think you guys are missing the points I wanted to make on Okafor:

- He's young. We're looking for young. Booker and Mozgov won't be here forever.
- He's underdeveloped. Kenny and his staff are excellent at player development.
- He's a big man. We need front court help.
- He's being phase out in Philly. We could get him for very cheap.

Don't look at him as a finished product. Look and see what can be. He's only been in the league for what, 3 years? Has Rondae shown a leap in his game? Now maybe we take a shot and he's another Anthony Bennett... but maybe he can be the center of the future? As long as we don't finance the future (can't see how here with what Marks has been playing his hand) I think we should consider making a play.


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Yeah I'm for Okafor too for these same reasons. Hes a low risk high reward guy. You bank on him needing a change of scenery. What's the worst that can happen? A failed Okafor experiment isn't the end of the world, and this front office is competent enough to know when to pull the plug.

All it takes is a wake up call to change a players mindset. Case and point: D'angelo Russell.

exactly, thank you.

Remember that time we took on Anthony Bennett and it blew up in our face and cost us... errr, we cut him and that was that. Didn't work.

Or remember that time we draft Hollis-Jefferson and kept making him play the same kind of basketball we all expected he should play... wait, we worked with him in a number of areas to develop him in other areas.

It's a low risk move, especially now that Philly hasn't picked up him option. Let's kick the tires on this guy. I don't think a player so young is who he's going to be forever. And yes, look at DLo and what coming to a new team has done for his play and confidence. Granted he's still not a finished product either, but we all have faith in the system. I say give it a shot with a guy who was a top 3 pick in a draft we're only 2 years removed from.
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Post#75 » by Paradise » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:33 pm

Ror1997 wrote:
Keith Van Horn wrote:I think you guys are missing the points I wanted to make on Okafor:

- He's young. We're looking for young. Booker and Mozgov won't be here forever.
- He's underdeveloped. Kenny and his staff are excellent at player development.
- He's a big man. We need front court help.
- He's being phase out in Philly. We could get him for very cheap.

Don't look at him as a finished product. Look and see what can be. He's only been in the league for what, 3 years? Has Rondae shown a leap in his game? Now maybe we take a shot and he's another Anthony Bennett... but maybe he can be the center of the future? As long as we don't finance the future (can't see how here with what Marks has been playing his hand) I think we should consider making a play.


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Yeah I'm for Okafor too for these same reasons. Hes a low risk high reward guy. You bank on him needing a change of scenery. What's the worst that can happen? A failed Okafor experiment isn't the end of the world, and this front office is competent enough to know when to pull the plug.

All it takes is a wake up call to change a players mindset. Case and point: D'angelo Russell.


I’d love to acquire Okafor. His offense is good enough right now to start him and his defense isn’t any worse than Mozgov, Zeller. He’s got a mid range shot that we could expand to the three point range and he’s got terrific low post footwork.

I don’t know why his defense matters right now. We’re developing a shot blocker and defensive big in Allen and Nurkic wasn’t a defender, overweight and seemed out of the mix in Denver and transformed in Portland.

We should be listening out for any young talent with upside on a rookie scale deal. He’s still a double double big man.
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Post#76 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:00 pm

I'm gamed for Okafor....

what would be the package?
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Post#77 » by shakendfries » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:28 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:I'm gamed for Okafor....

what would be the package?


a bag of ruffles & an uncrustable
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Post#78 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:54 pm

shakendfries wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:I'm gamed for Okafor....

what would be the package?


a bag of ruffles & an uncrustable

Got to throw in two pizzas from Di Faras as well.....
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Post#79 » by kamaze » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:28 pm

shakendfries wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:I'm gamed for Okafor....

what would be the package?


a bag of ruffles & an uncrustable


Cheddar cheese Ruffles or no deal.
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Post#80 » by MGrand15 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:10 pm

I wouldn't mind Okafor if we got him during the off-season where we could properly acclimate him to the team environment but mid-year, Id pass. I'm not sold on his character and it'd be easier to work on that kinda stuff in the summer.

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