Harden-watch 2020

Papi_swav · Post #61 » by **Papi_swav** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:24 am

Man all these picks getting traded around I just hope Rockets don't think we're trading 5 1sts. We have all the leverage anyway so i doubt Marks give up that much. Harden wants to come here and here only so we should only be giving up 3 picks TOPS. I would make try to make it 2 though.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #62 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:26 am

Papi_swav wrote:Man all these picks getting traded around I just hope Rockets don't think we're trading 5 1sts. We have all the leverage anyway so i doubt Marks give up that much. Harden wants to come here and here only so we should only be giving up 3 picks TOPS. I would make try to make it 2 though.

We can always play out the season and then trade for Harden next off season. Rockets will likely be a disaster this year with no Covington and Westbrook on his way out.

He will have less value on an expiring too.

StepBackCrack · Post #63 » by **StepBackCrack** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:30 am

People here need to remember KD's prime is limited and he is coming off a career-ending injury. As a long-time KD fan, I think it makes perfect sense for the Nets to maximize their chance of winning as soon as possible so KD doesn't get to carry too much burden in his first season with the Nets (which could lead to reinjuring himself perhaps). Getting Harden is a must imo and is an injury insurance. Bucks just strengthened their team now. Miami are still Miami and might get better! And if Phily gets Harden, the Nets chances of winning a title becomes much much harder imo.

Papi_swav · Post #64 » by **Papi_swav** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:31 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Man all these picks getting traded around I just hope Rockets don't think we're trading 5 1sts. We have all the leverage anyway so i doubt Marks give up that much. Harden wants to come here and here only so we should only be giving up 3 picks TOPS. I would make try to make it 2 though.

We can always play out the season and then trade for Harden next off season. Rockets will likely be a disaster this year with no Covington and Westbrook on his way out.

He will have less value on an expiring too.

True. But them trading Covington kind of indicates they're blowing it up. I don't see harden being happy at all staying there for another season. It would get ugly.

StepBackCrack · Post #65 » by **StepBackCrack** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:33 am

Beal could work too if Harden doesn't come but honestly he is nowhere near James at all. Will just pray that KD and Kyrie stay healthy tbh. That's the major key if Harden doesn't come.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #66 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:55 am

Teshima Junta wrote:People here need to remember KD's prime is limited and he is coming off a career-ending injury. As a long-time KD fan, I think it makes perfect sense for the Nets to maximize their chance of winning as soon as possible so KD doesn't get to carry too much burden in his first season with the Nets (which could lead to reinjuring himself perhaps). Getting Harden is a must imo and is an injury insurance. Bucks just strengthened their team now. Miami are still Miami and might get better! And if Phily gets Harden, the Nets chances of winning a title becomes much much harder imo.

Nets are the best team in the East as is.

We don't need to do a panic move and mortgage our future to get Harden here asap.

Asking price will come down at the deadline and next off season after the dumpster fire of a season the Rockets will have.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #67 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:56 am

Papi_swav wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Man all these picks getting traded around I just hope Rockets don't think we're trading 5 1sts. We have all the leverage anyway so i doubt Marks give up that much. Harden wants to come here and here only so we should only be giving up 3 picks TOPS. I would make try to make it 2 though.

We can always play out the season and then trade for Harden next off season. Rockets will likely be a disaster this year with no Covington and Westbrook on his way out.

He will have less value on an expiring too.

True. But them trading Covington kind of indicates they're blowing it up. I don't see harden being happy at all staying there for another season. It would get ugly.

Agreed. Which is why they would be inclined to take a reasonable offer.

Its either use or Philly w/ Simmons. And hard to see Philly giving up Simmons when Harden might leave.

DarkXaero · Post #68 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 am

Papi_swav wrote:Man all these picks getting traded around I just hope Rockets don't think we're trading 5 1sts. We have all the leverage anyway so i doubt Marks give up that much. Harden wants to come here and here only so we should only be giving up 3 picks TOPS. I would make try to make it 2 though.

That is what it would take though, it's delusional to think that it would only be 2 or 3 picks imo. We're talking about perennial MVP candidate, multiple time scoring leader James Harden here, and he has two years left on his deal.

Paradise · Post #69 » by **Paradise** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:04 am

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MrDollarBills · Post #70 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:31 am

The fact that Covington netted 2 first round picks should prepare you guys for the cost of doing business.

Last offseason's trades of Paul George and Russell Westbrook for an obscene amount of draft capital has now paved the way for what will happen next.

DarkXaero · Post #71 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:38 am

MrDollarBills wrote:The fact that Covington netted 2 first round picks should prepare you guys for the cost of doing business.

Last offseason's trades of Paul George and Russell Westbrook for an obscene amount of draft capital has now paved the way for what will happen next.

I actually think that #16 and a lotto protected first for Covington is not a bad trade for either side, and I actually like the move a lot for Portland. If I had the option to trade Taurean Prince, #19, and a lotto protected first for RoCo, I would do it.

TheNetsFan · Post #72 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:43 am

A couple of thoughts:
1) People talk about whether Philly should trade Simmons for Harden. If they had to move one, it should be Embiid.
2) New talk is that HOU wants KD or Kyrie for Harden. Feels dirty, but I think you move either, especially Kyrie if that's what it takes.
3) Somebody will blink, and I don't think it's us. I am worried it'll be Philly or a quiet giant like Boston or Denver. Boston is way too quiet right now.
4) Milwaukee overpaid, but Jrue and Bogdan makes them much better.
5) I feel like Marks has a non-Harden shocker up his sleeve should a Harden deal not happen.

StepBackCrack · Post #73 » by **StepBackCrack** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:22 am

Bucks are the clear faves to win the East now imo. Harden is needed for the Nets. The pressure is on not just the Nets now to improve but Miami, Boston and especially Phily. Bucks did crazy good this early.

therealbig3 · Post #74 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 am

TheNetsFan wrote:A couple of thoughts:
1) People talk about whether Philly should trade Simmons for Harden. If they had to move one, it should be Embiid.
2) New talk is that HOU wants KD or Kyrie for Harden. Feels dirty, but I think you move either, especially Kyrie if that's what it takes.
3) Somebody will blink, and I don't think it's us. I am worried it'll be Philly or a quiet giant like Boston or Denver. Boston is way too quiet right now.
4) Milwaukee overpaid, but Jrue and Bogdan makes them much better.
5) I feel like Marks has a non-Harden shocker up his sleeve should a Harden deal not happen.

Honestly, from a purely cold-hearted basketball perspective, if it really came down to the fact that Houston is not trading with us short of sending them Kyrie Irving...you should do it. Harden is the better, more durable player for sure.

But we're not moving Kyrie or KD. Part of it is going to come down to if Houston wants to accommodate Harden, if they want to just pull the band-aid off now rather than later, and how much other teams are willing to give up for someone that doesn't want to play for them, if the reports of Harden only wanting the Nets is true. Ainge is notoriously frugal with his assets, but hey, maybe this is the time he'll go all-in and trade Brown, Smart, and picks for Harden. We can't beat that package. But would Ainge do that for a 2-year rental? Maybe after seeing what Toronto was able to accomplish with their 1 year of Kawhi, more GMs are willing to take the gamble and go all-in for short-term gains, and hope their success convinces the player to sign with them long-term. If not, they can take the success and trade him where he wants to go anyway when the time comes.

MrDollarBills · Post #75 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:24 am

The Nets aren't trading Kyrie for Harden. Come on now yall, you know better.

MrDollarBills · Post #76 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:31 am

DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:The fact that Covington netted 2 first round picks should prepare you guys for the cost of doing business.

Last offseason's trades of Paul George and Russell Westbrook for an obscene amount of draft capital has now paved the way for what will happen next.
I actually think that #16 and a lotto protected first for Covington is not a bad trade for either side, and I actually like the move a lot for Portland. If I had the option to trade Taurean Prince, #19, and a lotto protected first for RoCo, I would do it.

To me, I'm honestly kind of upset that the Nets didn't jump on this first.

However, if we can come away with Harden and say PJ Tucker, at this point we are going to have to offer substantial draft capital. 4 1st rounders at minimum.

Prokorov · Post #77 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:00 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:If Houston wants some insane price for Harden like 5 1st rounders I would rather just not do it.

I'm very comfortable with the team we have right now. We can look at add through MLE and draft. Just need a few defensive pieces.

there is nothing absurd about 5 first rounders for Harden. we would be idiots not to make that deal. thats cheap given non are even guaranteed to be lotto.

we need to add to our team. we need a defender and/or to move one of dinwiddie or levert.

Nope. I'm not giving up our entire future for Harden.

I'm confident in Marks be able to get defensive pieces through MLE, vet min, draft and smaller trades. Brown is a good start.

No need to trade Dinwiddie/Levert.

Dinwiddie and levert are not the future. they are 26-27 year old role players or slightly above role players. levert is always hurt and Dinwiddie is going to bounce for the biggest deal he can get.

If you are hesistant about a boatload of picks, i can understand that, especially after the billy king debacle. but the players, we arent dealing the future there. Harden is better then both and even being longer will likely be better then both the next 5 seasons.

i think there is significantly less risk with future picks with this team vs. the Deron/brook team. the next 2 seasons this team wont be lottery. any one of the 3 can keep us playoff relevant. any 2 can make us finals relevant. and mark sis probably smart enough to have some protection even if its just top1 or top3

Prokorov · Post #78 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:01 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:The price for Jrue was absurd. I'm glad we didn't pay it.

To be clear, Milwaukee's situation makes it absurd. Giannis is in a walk year, and if he leaves they are hot garbage. Jrue won't stay for that, and those picks and pick swaps will all be mid-lottery or better.

Now, if we had paid Dinwiddie, Temple, Musa and 3 1sts, I wouldn't be pleased, but it wouldn't have been absurd. We're not a year away from losing everyone. Still, I'm OK with missing on him, we have bigger fish to fry.

yup. the issue isnt the value, the issue is giannis is 100% leaving and those will all be good picks.

TheNetsFan · Post #79 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:26 pm

Prokorov wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:The price for Jrue was absurd. I'm glad we didn't pay it.

To be clear, Milwaukee's situation makes it absurd. Giannis is in a walk year, and if he leaves they are hot garbage. Jrue won't stay for that, and those picks and pick swaps will all be mid-lottery or better.

Now, if we had paid Dinwiddie, Temple, Musa and 3 1sts, I wouldn't be pleased, but it wouldn't have been absurd. We're not a year away from losing everyone. Still, I'm OK with missing on him, we have bigger fish to fry.

yup. the issue isnt the value, the issue is giannis is 100% leaving and those will all be good picks.

Because Bogdan is a S&T, that trade can't happen until FA opens. Hypothetically, the Bucks could have that trade be contingent on Giannis signing the super-max first.

MGrand15 · Post #80 » by **MGrand15** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:31 pm

Every time something like this happens, the media and teams start freaking out about "player empowerment".

People are gonna say I'm biased but I felt the same way when it applied to LBJ, KD, etc.

Harden gave the Rockets 8 amazing years. 1 MVP. 6 1st team All NBA. 8 All Star appearances. Barely missed a game. Turned them into one of the most successful and popular teams in the league. Straight carried them for stretches when he was the only ballhandler on the team. Helped recruit multiple stars to Houston. If anyone has the right to ask to leave and not get killed for it, it's James. Especially with a cheap Trump supporting owner who dumped his coach and GM and wasn't willing to pay to keep good players.

Not saying they have to trade him to Brooklyn for nothing - but I'm seeing so much talk about how they should just let him sulk for 2 years, trade him to Charlotte or somewhere he doesn't want to go, how selfish players are, etc. Total BS.