Thoughts on Nash so far?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't know why the **** we hired this idiot.

He has no clue what hes doing out there. Every game we look shocked by what the other team is doing. Adjustments are never made.

Why hire a rookie head coach when everyone wanted to come here? Such a stupid and shortsighted move.

[Prokorov]

I don't know why the **** we hired this idiot.

He has no clue what hes doing out there. Every game we look shocked by what the other team is doing. Adjustments are never made.

Why hire a rookie head coach when everyone wanted to come here? Such a stupid and shortsighted move.

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't know why the **** we hired this idiot.

He has no clue what hes doing out there. Every game we look shocked by what the other team is doing. Adjustments are never made.

Why hire a rookie head coach when everyone wanted to come here? Such a stupid and shortsighted move.

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't know why the **** we hired this idiot.

He has no clue what hes doing out there. Every game we look shocked by what the other team is doing. Adjustments are never made.

Why hire a rookie head coach when everyone wanted to come here? Such a stupid and shortsighted move.

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

Shamet trade was also terrible.

I would kill to have Bey on this team right now.

[MrDollarBills]

I think that Marks needs to have Nash resign to save face. He's in over his head.

I'm honestly stunned at the level of incompetence being displayed from the front office in not only this hire, but also the fallout from the trade where Marks has opted to fill the roster up with dudes that don't even belong in the NBA. I'm disappointed in him.

[Nets Ownership]

I agree with those who view we have more then 1 problem. But I think you really can not even begin to effectively correct or address those other areas with the coaching situation as it stands.

We all know we need defense. You don't give up 122 points to the Pistons if you are even an average defensive team. But what exactly do we need? It is hard to say since the defensive sets we run don't maximize our skillset or mask our weaknesses. Conventional wisdom says we need a big man who can protect the rim and rebound. But even the best shot blockers will struggle if they constantly have to over help or we are constantly going over on screens forcing a ball handler down hill and putting them in a hedge situation. Further even if you are getting effective help from your improved rim protector, he can not really help rebounding once he is out of position helping. which leads to open threes and second chances which both do alot of damage against us.

Honestly, I don't see any combination of roster moves that makes us substantially better and closer to league average defensively without a major philosophical change when it comes to defensive scheme. you could put the best defender in the league on this team but if we just automatically switch everything all it takes is one ball screen and their star now has harden or DJ defending him with that all-star defender sitting in the opposite corner.

As a longtime Nets fan, I'm a big fan of RHJ. I'd love to see him added. As Jersey guy i'm a big fan of MKG. I'd love to see him added. But I really think we will be disappointed with whatever defensive option Marks can bring in because our staff has shown hesitation playing more then 1 weak offensive player at a time and even seems hesitant to play someone like Brown when we are getting gashed defensively. I think either Nash and his staff need to be pressured into making some big defensive changes or Marks needs to start dealing some of our offense and for his hands. Like trading Joe Harris for Covington or something along those lines.

I think this team is a lock for a top 4 seed and appearance in the conference finals. The east despite upgrades is still thin and shaky. And a focused Durant/Kyrie/Harden is tough for non-elite teams to beat 4 times. But I don't love our shot at a title with Nash leading this team. I'd feel alot better if he was an assistant with Vaughn or someone else calling the shots

[MrDollarBills]

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

Shamet trade was also terrible.

I would kill to have Bey on this team right now.

Yep. I thought Shamet was going to be a plus, but the guy is not consistent. That trade was a massive setback.

Marks is now showing cracks in the armor at the worst time possible. He needs to get this situation fixed quickly.

[Nets Ownership]

I don't know why the **** we hired this idiot.

He has no clue what hes doing out there. Every game we look shocked by what the other team is doing. Adjustments are never made.

Why hire a rookie head coach when everyone wanted to come here? Such a stupid and shortsighted move.

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

I think Marks needs to be given more time before we can start to really place blame on him. We are a few weeks removed from a trade that really cut into our depth and really took the only consistent defensive big (unless you consider KD a big) from this roster.

Like every other Net fan I want Drummond and RHJ and Dedmon instantly but Marks needs to get it right before he gets it done fast. I would hate to see a panic trade for someone like Whiteside only to see a better option become available shortly after and we miss out.

Taking a step back, Marks had a pretty solid roster coming in. 2 stars, an elite floor spacer in Joe Harris, 48 minutes of rim running rim protecting centers, a spark plug super 6th man in Caris, a glue guy in Dinwiddie who could defend, score, play the point in a pinch. And then some spare parts like TLC and Prince.

I know everyone loved Bey. I was a fan of his as well. But we added an elite shooter and bulldog defender. and for a win now team, it is hard to criticize that move. We also don't know if we would have taken Bey. Other options seemed more likely leading up to the draft. Shamet has been a disappointment, but we needed some Joe Harris insurance as a floor spacer.

For any negatives that surround the 1st for Shamet to me is more then made up by adding Brown for Musa. The Harden trade I love. I have been a bit irritated since we missed out on Harden due to King's incompetency. And have always been admiring from afar. I think it was the right move. At the time, Kyrie was on hiatus, Levert had not been playing to the level he did in the bubble, and adding a player like Harden is a rare opportunity.

This team still has not played together much. 7 games with the Big 3 all playing. KD has missed time to rest/COVID stuff. Kyrie had the finger injury., We had some maintenance days in there. Overall I think we are 5-2 when the big 3 play and the 2 losses are double OT loss to Cleveland and the bizarre Toronto game where KD was yanked mid game.

Marks has assembled a team, that when playing together is basically 5-1. That has gone undefeated vs top teams. That has out played and outclassed the best competition. So I am not as down as you are on the makeup of this team. The majority of our losses have been close losses. I think better coach could have probably flipped a few of those. Things would probably be a bit more rosy these days if we were 17-9 instead of 14-12.

Harden ; Kyrie ; Harris ; KD ; DJ is the most talent starting lineup in the league. Despite any DJ short comings. Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, and Landry Shamet (despite an awful start) are all legit rotational bench players. That is an 8 man rotation with three top 10 players with multiple role shooters and flexibility to go big or small.

The only real glaring thing that stands out to me is the lack of a replacement for Jarrett Allen, which I think we all know is in the works. Once we add that person, DJ can go back to being a 15 minute role player and we dont need to rely on Jeff Green at Center going super small.

Again, I'm not saying Marks is off the hook, but I feel like any criticism of his is pre-mature. As someone mentioned above, at the very least Nash should be able to beat teams like Detroit with this roster.

[Nets Ownership]

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

Shamet trade was also terrible.

I would kill to have Bey on this team right now.

I think the Shamet trade looks worse in hindsight then it really is. From my view, it was more depth/insurance then it was to get some guy who was going to come in and crush it day 1. Prior to the Harden trade we had 2 stars and only 1 reliable floor spacer to keep defenses honest against them. If Harris had missed time, We would be relying on a rookie and TLC to provide floor spacing for KD/Kyrie.

Shamet had a rough bubble and looked poor after he had COVID, but he was one of the more reliable shooters around. In a smaller win-now window, I thought it made sense. And as much as we have all been disappointed in Landry so far, an "awful" Shamet is shooting 33% from three while an "impressive" Bey is shooting 35%.

I still have hopes this is just an early slump for Shamet and that it doesn't help he is pulled in and out of the lineup. He has improved every month after a cold start:

December 25%
January 34%
February 42%

I can see an argument if people had preferred Kennard or another option. But outside of Reddick who recently has had his name out there I don't see anyone who was considerably better as a role sniper/Harris insurance.

[Nets Ownership]

Yep. I thought Shamet was going to be a plus, but the guy is not consistent. That trade was a massive setback.

Marks is now showing cracks in the armor at the worst time possible. He needs to get this situation fixed quickly.

I think Marks has some work to do. I think the "quick" part is a bit out of his control. I know some of the names we liked most were not signed, but he did bring in some band-aid fixes in Vonleh, Shumpert, and Pelle. Those guys I believe need to go through a mandatory quarantine/testing process before joining the team, then need to get acclimated, then Nash needs to play them before we can even evaluate their fit or how much they help.

Trade take time. Unfortunately, especially with the Nets, we get little insight into those discussions. I think the entire league knows the situation we are in and are probably holding out for more then our exceptions, seconds, or ancillary guys TLC. A smart GM is going to push for Harris or Dinwiddie even if it is completely unrealistic just to see if Marks makes a panic move. While Marks may want to move quick other GMs have no reason to rush an accommodate him.

We also just gave up 4-8 picks (depending on how the swaps work out). So Marks may want to wait for some buyouts to happen before he uses more draft stock in a trade. Maybe he already knows through his channels that some guys are 100% being bought out and just needs to bide his time.

He may also just want to get more of a look at some of these guys fit with the Big 3 before he makes a move. It has only been 6-7 games where they all played together and we have won most of those.

I'm not the biggest Marks fan. I think he has made his share of mistakes and KD/Kyrie mask some of that. But overall he gave us the core of a title team and hasnt really had a ton of time to fill out the last few weaknesses and his assets are limited.

Edit: Also, I know it gets lost in the weeds, but losing Dinwiddie for the season is a big blow. He would have helped us a ton. And Dinwiddie should be counted as part of the core Marks assembled.

I'll be more willing to (Harshly) judge Marks post-deadline or after the Big 3 have 10-15 games under their belt.

[Prokorov]

Marks roster contruction isnt a (huge) problem... again:

KD, Kyrie, Harden, Harris, Dinwiddie, DJ, Green, Shamet, Brown. I mean thats a ton of talent. You can kick shamet while he is down but its not like we are talking about Thorndike shenglia here. The guy is at least an NBA 9th/10th man.

Vonleh/Shumpert are likely valuable additions once on the floor that add toughness we lack. Throw McGee in and thats a team any coach should win with.

I'm still looking for exactly what Nash needs to beat the Pistons. does he need like Jimmy Chidwick, Jackie Moon, and the Monstars?

[MrDollarBills]

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

I think Marks needs to be given more time before we can start to really place blame on him. We are a few weeks removed from a trade that really cut into our depth and really took the only consistent defensive big (unless you consider KD a big) from this roster.

Like every other Net fan I want Drummond and RHJ and Dedmon instantly but Marks needs to get it right before he gets it done fast. I would hate to see a panic trade for someone like Whiteside only to see a better option become available shortly after and we miss out.

Taking a step back, Marks had a pretty solid roster coming in. 2 stars, an elite floor spacer in Joe Harris, 48 minutes of rim running rim protecting centers, a spark plug super 6th man in Caris, a glue guy in Dinwiddie who could defend, score, play the point in a pinch. And then some spare parts like TLC and Prince.

I know everyone loved Bey. I was a fan of his as well. But we added an elite shooter and bulldog defender. and for a win now team, it is hard to criticize that move. We also don't know if we would have taken Bey. Other options seemed more likely leading up to the draft. Shamet has been a disappointment, but we needed some Joe Harris insurance as a floor spacer.

For any negatives that surround the 1st for Shamet to me is more then made up by adding Brown for Musa. The Harden trade I love. I have been a bit irritated since we missed out on Harden due to King's incompetency. And have always been admiring from afar. I think it was the right move. At the time, Kyrie was on hiatus, Levert had not been playing to the level he did in the bubble, and adding a player like Harden is a rare opportunity.

This team still has not played together much. 7 games with the Big 3 all playing. KD has missed time to rest/COVID stuff. Kyrie had the finger injury., We had some maintenance days in there. Overall I think we are 5-2 when the big 3 play and the 2 losses are double OT loss to Cleveland and the bizarre Toronto game where KD was yanked mid game.

Marks has assembled a team, that when playing together is basically 5-1. That has gone undefeated vs top teams. That has out played and outclassed the best competition. So I am not as down as you are on the makeup of this team. The majority of our losses have been close losses. I think better coach could have probably flipped a few of those. Things would probably be a bit more rosy these days if we were 17-9 instead of 14-12.

Harden ; Kyrie ; Harris ; KD ; DJ is the most talent starting lineup in the league. Despite any DJ short comings. Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, and Landry Shamet (despite an awful start) are all legit rotational bench players. That is an 8 man rotation with three top 10 players with multiple role shooters and flexibility to go big or small.

The only real glaring thing that stands out to me is the lack of a replacement for Jarrett Allen, which I think we all know is in the works. Once we add that person, DJ can go back to being a 15 minute role player and we dont need to rely on Jeff Green at Center going super small.

Again, I'm not saying Marks is off the hook, but I feel like any criticism of his is pre-mature. As someone mentioned above, at the very least Nash should be able to beat teams like Detroit with this roster.

Fair assessment. The fact that availability due to either absence or COVID restrictions from the Big 3 (KD needs to learn how to wear a goddamn mask FFS) has also played a role.

However, i think the Nash hire is up for serious scrutiny at this point. We should not have been taken to the woodshed like that last night.

[MrDollarBills]

Yep. I thought Shamet was going to be a plus, but the guy is not consistent. That trade was a massive setback.

Marks is now showing cracks in the armor at the worst time possible. He needs to get this situation fixed quickly.

I think Marks has some work to do. I think the "quick" part is a bit out of his control. I know some of the names we liked most were not signed, but he did bring in some band-aid fixes in Vonleh, Shumpert, and Pelle. Those guys I believe need to go through a mandatory quarantine/testing process before joining the team, then need to get acclimated, then Nash needs to play them before we can even evaluate their fit or how much they help.

Trade take time. Unfortunately, especially with the Nets, we get little insight into those discussions. I think the entire league knows the situation we are in and are probably holding out for more then our exceptions, seconds, or ancillary guys TLC. A smart GM is going to push for Harris or Dinwiddie even if it is completely unrealistic just to see if Marks makes a panic move. While Marks may want to move quick other GMs have no reason to rush an accommodate him.

We also just gave up 4-8 picks (depending on how the swaps work out). So Marks may want to wait for some buyouts to happen before he uses more draft stock in a trade. Maybe he already knows through his channels that some guys are 100% being bought out and just needs to bide his time.

He may also just want to get more of a look at some of these guys fit with the Big 3 before he makes a move. It has only been 6-7 games where they all played together and we have won most of those.

I'm not the biggest Marks fan. I think he has made his share of mistakes and KD/Kyrie mask some of that. But overall he gave us the core of a title team and hasnt really had a ton of time to fill out the last few weaknesses and his assets are limited.

Edit: Also, I know it gets lost in the weeds, but losing Dinwiddie for the season is a big blow. He would have helped us a ton. And Dinwiddie should be counted as part of the core Marks assembled.

I'll be more willing to (Harshly) judge Marks post-deadline or after the Big 3 have 10-15 games under their belt.

yes agreed, I have stated repeatedly that the Dinwiddie injury was a massive blow. I thought Harden kind of alleviated that but here we are again

[MrDollarBills]

Marks roster contruction isnt a (huge) problem... again:

KD, Kyrie, Harden, Harris, Dinwiddie, DJ, Green, Shamet, Brown. I mean thats a ton of talent. You can kick shamet while he is down but its not like we are talking about Thorndike shenglia here. The guy is at least an NBA 9th/10th man.

Vonleh/Shumpert are likely valuable additions once on the floor that add toughness we lack. Throw McGee in and thats a team any coach should win with.

I'm still looking for exactly what Nash needs to beat the Pistons. does he need like Jimmy Chidwick, Jackie Moon, and the Monstars?

Jordan is not a starting caliber center and we lack frontcourt depth with that line up.

Should they have beaten the Pistons? Yes. But this roster is nowhere near what it needs to be.

[therealbig3]

It’s a ton of talent on offense, and our offense is great. We have no legit talent on defense, which is why we get killed on a nightly basis. Not sure what Nash is supposed to do when you have a bunch of garbage defensive players.

What does Nash need to beat the Pistons? He needs guys to give appropriate effort on the defensive side of the ball, since we essentially erased a 20 point deficit when that happened. He also needs Harden to realize he’s one of the best 5 or 6 players in the league and he doesn’t need to defer to TLC or Shamet or Green or even an injured Kyrie when we need somebody to score points.

These aren’t Nash’s problems, these are player problems. And Kyrie is the one that said they don’t really need a coach, so even if Nash isn’t coaching, that’s what the players wanted. They wanted to do their own thing and Nash was supposed to manage the egos.

I really don’t think the coach has anywhere close to the impact as the players on the floor do. If they’re loafing and giving poor effort night in and night out, I’m sorry, that’s not the coach’s issue.

At this point, trading Kyrie makes the most sense to me. Not because I don’t like him or think he doesn’t fit...but because we badly need some defensive players on the team, and he’s the best trade-able piece we have. Then gotta hope Harden turns into Houston Harden, Durant doesn’t sit out with COVID for the 14th time, and we turn into a much better defensive team.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Marks roster contruction isnt a (huge) problem... again:

KD, Kyrie, Harden, Harris, Dinwiddie, DJ, Green, Shamet, Brown. I mean thats a ton of talent. You can kick shamet while he is down but its not like we are talking about Thorndike shenglia here. The guy is at least an NBA 9th/10th man.

Vonleh/Shumpert are likely valuable additions once on the floor that add toughness we lack. Throw McGee in and thats a team any coach should win with.

I'm still looking for exactly what Nash needs to beat the Pistons. does he need like Jimmy Chidwick, Jackie Moon, and the Monstars?

No need to throw Toko under the bus! He had nothing to do with this.

[Lamak]

Poor job all around so far

[CalamityX12]

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

Shamet trade was also terrible.

I would kill to have Bey on this team right now.

[CalamityX12]

Yup. I get we have mega-stars and you need a manager of egos more then a coach... but you still need someone who is at least a high school level coach. Guys who have proven they can coach stars and get teams prepared

Tyronne Lue, Mike Brown... whomever.

Marks should be getting torched right now by everyone. He's to blame.

I think Marks needs to be given more time before we can start to really place blame on him. We are a few weeks removed from a trade that really cut into our depth and really took the only consistent defensive big (unless you consider KD a big) from this roster.

Like every other Net fan I want Drummond and RHJ and Dedmon instantly but Marks needs to get it right before he gets it done fast. I would hate to see a panic trade for someone like Whiteside only to see a better option become available shortly after and we miss out.

Taking a step back, Marks had a pretty solid roster coming in. 2 stars, an elite floor spacer in Joe Harris, 48 minutes of rim running rim protecting centers, a spark plug super 6th man in Caris, a glue guy in Dinwiddie who could defend, score, play the point in a pinch. And then some spare parts like TLC and Prince.

I know everyone loved Bey. I was a fan of his as well. But we added an elite shooter and bulldog defender. and for a win now team, it is hard to criticize that move. We also don't know if we would have taken Bey. Other options seemed more likely leading up to the draft. Shamet has been a disappointment, but we needed some Joe Harris insurance as a floor spacer.

For any negatives that surround the 1st for Shamet to me is more then made up by adding Brown for Musa. The Harden trade I love. I have been a bit irritated since we missed out on Harden due to King's incompetency. And have always been admiring from afar. I think it was the right move. At the time, Kyrie was on hiatus, Levert had not been playing to the level he did in the bubble, and adding a player like Harden is a rare opportunity.

This team still has not played together much. 7 games with the Big 3 all playing. KD has missed time to rest/COVID stuff. Kyrie had the finger injury., We had some maintenance days in there. Overall I think we are 5-2 when the big 3 play and the 2 losses are double OT loss to Cleveland and the bizarre Toronto game where KD was yanked mid game.

Marks has assembled a team, that when playing together is basically 5-1. That has gone undefeated vs top teams. That has out played and outclassed the best competition. So I am not as down as you are on the makeup of this team. The majority of our losses have been close losses. I think better coach could have probably flipped a few of those. Things would probably be a bit more rosy these days if we were 17-9 instead of 14-12.

Harden ; Kyrie ; Harris ; KD ; DJ is the most talent starting lineup in the league. Despite any DJ short comings. Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, and Landry Shamet (despite an awful start) are all legit rotational bench players. That is an 8 man rotation with three top 10 players with multiple role shooters and flexibility to go big or small.

The only real glaring thing that stands out to me is the lack of a replacement for Jarrett Allen, which I think we all know is in the works. Once we add that person, DJ can go back to being a 15 minute role player and we dont need to rely on Jeff Green at Center going super small.

Again, I'm not saying Marks is off the hook, but I feel like any criticism of his is pre-mature. As someone mentioned above, at the very least Nash should be able to beat teams like Detroit with this roster.

Bulllsheeeet

Shamet is neither an elite shooter nor a bulldog defender.

No! I'm not letting that go lol... thats inaccurate and far from the truth. Same spil Prok says too... shamet is neither!!!

[Prokorov]

Marks roster contruction isnt a (huge) problem... again:

KD, Kyrie, Harden, Harris, Dinwiddie, DJ, Green, Shamet, Brown. I mean thats a ton of talent. You can kick shamet while he is down but its not like we are talking about Thorndike shenglia here. The guy is at least an NBA 9th/10th man.

Vonleh/Shumpert are likely valuable additions once on the floor that add toughness we lack. Throw McGee in and thats a team any coach should win with.

I'm still looking for exactly what Nash needs to beat the Pistons. does he need like Jimmy Chidwick, Jackie Moon, and the Monstars?

Jordan is not a starting caliber center and we lack frontcourt depth with that line up.

Should they have beaten the Pistons? Yes. But this roster is nowhere near what it needs to be.

I agree on all counts.

My thing is really just how can i worry about who is our 8th man or defensive wing compliment to brown or upgrade from Pelle if we cant even beat the damn pistons with 2 hall of famers in the lineup?

I mean, good teams lose to bad teams all the time. but its usually like a trap game, second of a back to back, or get caught slacking in the middle of a long winning streak and lose a nailbiter.

we got beat end to end trailing for 47 of 48 minutes after 2 off days, with no opponent to look ahead to coming off a couple embarassing losses and having been beat by bad teams all year.

The worst offense in the league. #30 out of 30 dropped 122 on us without breaking a sweat.

Coaching needs to provide some resistance to me before we get on Marks, who i assume is looking into moves.