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Post#61 » by GTR11 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:48 am

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The offense isn't the problem when we continue to give up offensive rebounds and give the opponent more FGAs. That's piss poor defense.

its a damn chain reaction that leads to this s*** show. Because of bad offense we give up quick baskets while D ain't set properly, if they happen to miss there's always chance for rb because we looking for our guy.


This literally has nothing to do with why we give up offensive rebounds. We do it after made shots too


It has everything to do with us giving offensive rb. C.Webb said same thing just min ago.

Kyrie scoring tough shots and our role players looking like azz is direct result of their iso game.
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Post#62 » by therealbig3 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:48 am

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I say they both mediocre. They can't make no easy baskets for this team. We going to lose this one.


Kyrie has 18 pts on 7-10FG. Zero TOs. What are you talking about dude?


As someone who lurks, I swear I thought I was reading the general board. Durant who has a more efficient career turnover%, effective FG%, true shooting% than LeBron is somehow more 'limited offensively' while Kyrie's 7/10 is mediocre.


He shoots better than LeBron, we know that. He doesn't handle the ball nearly as much as LeBron, so he'll have less TOs. I said that when he needs to handle the ball more and create more offense off the dribble for himself and his teammates, he's not nearly as good as LeBron in that aspect, and that's why he's not on LeBron's level.

I don't see how that's even debatable. If Durant had the ball handling and PG responsibilities that LeBron does, he'd have way more TOs.
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Post#63 » by Pelly24 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:48 am

therealbig3 wrote:Durant is an incredible scorer, but it's clear that he's a limited player offensively compared to other offensive superstars. He just doesn't have a great handle and it leads to a lot of TOs when he has to put the ball on the floor and create. It's why I never considered him on LeBron's level.

He's at his best when he just needs to catch and finish, either with a quick jumper or a quick drive to the rim. When he needs to dribble penetrate against a set defense and create in traffic, bad things tend to happen.


He actually kinda has some tunnel vision and a real lack of awareness at times. I don't like him running the offense or bringing the ball up. Also, it doesn't even seem like the Nets are trying to run anything, and Shamet and Joe Harris have been kinda bad as of late. Claxton needs to play a lot more than he does.
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Post#64 » by GTR11 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:50 am

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Kyrie has 18 pts on 7-10FG. Zero TOs. What are you talking about dude?


As someone who lurks, I swear I thought I was reading the general board. Durant who has a more efficient career turnover%, effective FG%, true shooting% than LeBron is somehow more 'limited offensively' while Kyrie's 7/10 is mediocre.


He shoots better than LeBron, we know that. He doesn't handle the ball nearly as much as LeBron, so he'll have less TOs. I said that when he needs to handle the ball more and create more offense off the dribble for himself and his teammates, he's not nearly as good as LeBron in that aspect, and that's why he's not on LeBron's level.

I don't see how that's even debatable.


He'll also turn it into turnover fest when he starts dribble happy.
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Post#65 » by Pelly24 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:50 am

GTR11 wrote:
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GTR11 wrote:its a damn chain reaction that leads to this s*** show. Because of bad offense we give up quick baskets while D ain't set properly, if they happen to miss there's always chance for rb because we looking for our guy.


This literally has nothing to do with why we give up offensive rebounds. We do it after made shots too


It has everything to do with us giving offensive rb. C.Webb said same thing just min ago.

Kyrie scoring tough shots and our role players looking like azz is direct result of their iso game.


I don't think it's a direct result of their bad offense. Harris and Shamet need to hit some damn shots. They do sometimes, and they did when Kyrie was just on the court. They've been bad recently.
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Post#66 » by GTR11 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:51 am

Say it again Chuck. I'm not sure what some be watching.
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Post#67 » by MGrand15 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:52 am

Our role players are all pressing. They need to start cleaning up their shot selection. Kyrie and KD are attracting a ton of attention. This is a deep team but these last few games feel like we're the team the media wanted us to be. Stars and nothing else.

If we defend and rebound like we did in the 2nd quarter, we should win this comfortably.
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Post#68 » by jigga_man » Fri May 7, 2021 12:54 am

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Kyrie has 18 pts on 7-10FG. Zero TOs. What are you talking about dude?


As someone who lurks, I swear I thought I was reading the general board. Durant who has a more efficient career turnover%, effective FG%, true shooting% than LeBron is somehow more 'limited offensively' while Kyrie's 7/10 is mediocre.


He shoots better than LeBron, we know that. He doesn't handle the ball nearly as much as LeBron, so he'll have less TOs. I said that when he needs to handle the ball more and create more offense off the dribble for himself and his teammates, he's not nearly as good as LeBron in that aspect, and that's why he's not on LeBron's level.

I don't see how that's even debatable.


This is equivalent as saying Steph Curry is not on Chris Paul's level. Cherry picking a specific aspect of a player's game and try to extrapolate in order to prove a hyperbolic (and hilariously bias) point is peak General Board logic
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Post#69 » by GTR11 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:54 am

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This literally has nothing to do with why we give up offensive rebounds. We do it after made shots too


It has everything to do with us giving offensive rb. C.Webb said same thing just min ago.

Kyrie scoring tough shots and our role players looking like azz is direct result of their iso game.


I don't think it's a direct result of their bad offense. Harris and Shamet need to hit some damn shots. They do sometimes, and they did when Kyrie was just on the court. They've been bad recently.


I getting really tired saying same damn thing over again. They shooting bad entire team not playing with extra effort simply because we don't get them involved. Than it turn into s*** show and some start picking whatever reasons without looking at the main cause.

You don't treat symptoms You treat issue. In this case its iso ball.
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Post#70 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri May 7, 2021 12:55 am

3 point defense is a continuing issue for us that we can't seem to figure out.

Every team seems to shoot 40% against us from 3 somehow.

Also as other have said, Harris and Shamet are too up and down. I expect them to consistently hit wide open 3s. But they never do!

I would rather play guys like Alize and Tyler Johnson because at least they provide other things. Shamet/Harris are essentially useless when they don't hit their 3s.
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Post#71 » by GTR11 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:56 am

This team Harden hemi away from being smoked in a second round. Only blind cant see that. This team is mediocre trash led by Iso Kyrie and KD.
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Post#72 » by therealbig3 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:58 am

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As someone who lurks, I swear I thought I was reading the general board. Durant who has a more efficient career turnover%, effective FG%, true shooting% than LeBron is somehow more 'limited offensively' while Kyrie's 7/10 is mediocre.


He shoots better than LeBron, we know that. He doesn't handle the ball nearly as much as LeBron, so he'll have less TOs. I said that when he needs to handle the ball more and create more offense off the dribble for himself and his teammates, he's not nearly as good as LeBron in that aspect, and that's why he's not on LeBron's level.

I don't see how that's even debatable.


This is equivalent as saying Steph Curry is not on Chris Paul's level. Cherry picking a specific aspect of a player's game and try to extrapolate in order to prove a hyperbolic (and hilariously bias) point is peak General Board logic


It's really not, you're just not understanding it.

LMAO, I even said that Durant is a great scorer...but his inability to be a volume ball handler and offensive creator in the half court without becoming incredibly TO-prone IS a big limitation in comparison to other offensive superstars (not just LeBron, but Kawhi, Curry, and Harden as well). He makes up for it with incredible shooting ability, but in comparison to LeBron, it's just not enough. Especially since Durant does get bouts of tunnel vision and isn't a great natural passer either, although he can make some nice reads now and then. It's why LeBron can anchor a great offense basically by himself, as long as he has some role players that can hit shots. Durant needs a high level playmaker next to him that takes a lot of the half court creation and ball handling responsibilities off him.
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Post#73 » by therealbig3 » Fri May 7, 2021 12:59 am

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It has everything to do with us giving offensive rb. C.Webb said same thing just min ago.

Kyrie scoring tough shots and our role players looking like azz is direct result of their iso game.


I don't think it's a direct result of their bad offense. Harris and Shamet need to hit some damn shots. They do sometimes, and they did when Kyrie was just on the court. They've been bad recently.


I getting really tired saying same damn thing over again. They shooting bad entire team not playing with extra effort simply because we don't get them involved. Than it turn into s*** show and some start picking whatever reasons without looking at the main cause.

You don't treat symptoms You treat issue. In this case its iso ball.


ISO ball isn't bad offense though, and these guys are getting plenty of opportunities, what are you watching?
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Post#74 » by HardenGoat » Fri May 7, 2021 1:00 am

Shamet and Harris are rhythm shooters they are not Dame or Curry level. They are role player shooters that need the ball delivered on cue with open looks consistently in their spots.
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Post#75 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri May 7, 2021 1:01 am

HardenGoat wrote:Shamet and Harris are rhythm shooters they are not Dame or Curry level. They are role player shooters that need the ball delivered on cue with open looks consistently in their spots.


They are getting wide open looks man. They're just not hitting them.

Steph and Dame are guys who have to create their own shots.
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Post#76 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 7, 2021 1:03 am

Nash needs to challenge a goddamn call
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Post#77 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri May 7, 2021 1:03 am

Theyre not even guarding Shamet anymore. Pathetic.
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Post#78 » by therealbig3 » Fri May 7, 2021 1:03 am

Shamet and Harris have gotten great looks and aren't doing anything with them. Can't put everything on ISO basketball.
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Post#79 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri May 7, 2021 1:05 am

Not a foul. Refs are always up Lukas ass.
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Post#80 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 7, 2021 1:05 am

therealbig3 wrote:
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I don't think it's a direct result of their bad offense. Harris and Shamet need to hit some damn shots. They do sometimes, and they did when Kyrie was just on the court. They've been bad recently.


I getting really tired saying same damn thing over again. They shooting bad entire team not playing with extra effort simply because we don't get them involved. Than it turn into s*** show and some start picking whatever reasons without looking at the main cause.

You don't treat symptoms You treat issue. In this case its iso ball.


ISO ball isn't bad offense though, and these guys are getting plenty of opportunities, what are you watching?


Dude literally called Kyrie's play mediocre tonight. I'm even wondering if we are watching the same game.
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