GT: Nets @ Timberwolves 1/23/22 8:00pm (YES Network)

[Jay555]

Nash is simply the worst. it is hard enough to overcome nash, its impossible to overcome nash and lackluster officiating and poor luck.

1) Stop bitching about "spacing" and then ride a brown/johnson/griffin lineup for 10 minutes.

2) Why did we sub in johnson for sharpe after LMA fouled out, if we were not going to switch everything? you go small, but then play drop coverage and give up a dunk, layup and1, and layup on 3 straight pick and rolls. if you are gonna go small you either need to A) add shooting at the 5 or B) switch everything. we got/did neither

3) Nash cant let his team go down 18 - 2 in FT margin with some other suspect calls/missed calls and not get a tech. this is a game as a coach you need to get thrown out, period.

4) Harden didnt play great but he didnt play awful either. He got hacked a ton early with no calls while they had a parade at the FT line. then nash ran out the brown/johnson/blake lineup where he had no spacing. He never really got into a grove and didnt play a ton with Kyrie outside the first 8 minutes.

5) Its the last game of a road trip. Kyrie is about to get a week of rest. Why are you playing him just 34 minutes?

6) Bembry needs to play more. He was the glue for us when we went on that long stretch of great play. you want to start kessler im good with that. but Brown should not play 1 second of playing time if bembry is available. He makes a ton of hustle plays, is probably our best defender and is shooting 43% from three. He was key during the couple runs we had.

Hard to win with bad luck, bad calls, missing open/makeable shots. but it becomes impossible to win with god awful coaching on top of it.

Nash AND Marks both need to go.

Agreed. Missed most of the 1st half and just finished rewatching it.

We almost overcame what I think was the worst officiating game I have seen this season. Nash did not help either, that JJ sub led to a run by Towns who had been horrible the whole game. Where's Blake?

Anyways, losing streak coming. Harden needs to go Vintage Harden for the next two home games.

[Jay555]

Just had another look. LOSING STREAK COMING.

I do not think we can win many games out of the next 10. This is a brutal strech.

Kyrie, get the **** jab. When is Joe back? I'd be happy if we go 5-5.


1/25 vs LAL
1/26 vs DEN (back to back)
1/30 at GSW
2/1 at PHX
2/2 at SAC (back to back)
2/4 at UTA
2/6 at DEN
2/8 vs BOS
2/10 at WAS
2/12 at MIA

[LOUiS-D]

Refs had 8 points in rec league F grade calls and unlucky bs, harden had a rough game especially with turnovers and we were turnstiles on D again... but man. C'mon nash. How many points in a row do you need KAT to score to wake tf up.

[LOUiS-D]

3) Nash cant let his team go down 18 - 2 in FT margin with some other suspect calls/missed calls and not get a tech. this is a game as a coach you need to get thrown out, period.

...

Nash AND Marks both need to go.

Absolutely should have gotten thrown out by halfway in the third.

Marks still has waaaaaay more rope with me. Let's not pretend that competent GMs grow on trees. He's hit way more than he's missed. Yeah the Nash hire is egregious, but I can't fault the team construction.

[Jay555]

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[_Und3r][D4wg_]

Subpar games from Harden & Aldridge. Even Sharpe was made to look a couple of inches shorter, getting foiled a number of times around the rim. Perimeter defenders continue to be frustratingly undisciplined in sagging off the 3-shooters.

I get how Nash might think KAT is a bad match-up for Blake, but neither Sharpe nor Johnson could do anything about Towns when he blunted all our efforts at a comeback in the 4th... So maybe try BG2 again who did well in 6 mins in 2Q (despite getting his face pushed off by Reid) just to give KAT different looks?

[GYK]

Nash and Marks need to take responsibility for this.
Everyone praises Marks for his finds but ignore his failures, and they’re huge failures.
How can multiple late draft picks come to beat out most of your veteran rotation?
Is it not odd that’s it’s particularly Kessler and Sharpe that’s starting? Is it because they are that good or that they are the only players brought in that fulfill required roles? Kessler is the only true 3&D wing on the team and Sharpe the only rim runner/protector rebounder.
He did it last year with Bruce. No roll men and found a niche player who can roll from the 2guard spot. Instead of filling the role he brought him back and others like him because the idea of two Blake’s(Paul Milsap) was more tantalizing than getting true centers.
Won’t move Joe because he’s our only shooter but why do we have 1 shooter?

Has his moves been great or do we pedestal finds because they do things we NEED? Marks has been just as responsible if not more than Nash. He’s getting a pass cause everyone loves rookies and the narrative of turning a no picks team into a 8th seed(despite no context ever been used with that) is super strong. Obvious glaring problems since last year and even at full health we just would out talent teams.

Marks need to prove he’s a contenders GM. Some coaches are great for a rebuilding team. Same with GM’s.

[MrDollarBills]

Harden for the first time really called out the refs. in the past he deflected, but tonight he pulled no punches. striaght up said he isnt getting calls the opponents are. said he knows they wont call them all but some are egregious. stiff arms, blows to the head.. obvious calls.

And he isn't wrong. this road trip he really got hosed. Tonight was really one sided.

The officiating was terrible, but Harden did not play well. 6 turnovers and he was out of sorts night, falling and tripping multiple times

[Prokorov]

Harden for the first time really called out the refs. in the past he deflected, but tonight he pulled no punches. striaght up said he isnt getting calls the opponents are. said he knows they wont call them all but some are egregious. stiff arms, blows to the head.. obvious calls.

And he isn't wrong. this road trip he really got hosed. Tonight was really one sided.

The officiating was terrible, but Harden did not play well. 6 turnovers and he was out of sorts night, falling and tripping multiple times

Yeah, Harden didnt play much. He even said it himself after the game. I was speaking early about the idea he has been "awful" this year. I think the idea that he has even been "average" "not so great" "drastically declined" are way off. I think if you turn some of these bad losses (mostly on coaching) into wins... like even 3 games people are riding hardens nuts and calling us cant miss champs on this board.

Harden played like a top 4 player when healthy last year. this year its more like top 12. thats still elite and he single handedly won us at least 6 games this year.

Last night was a bad combo of awful calls + poor play.

[Prokorov]

Just had another look. LOSING STREAK COMING.

I do not think we can win many games out of the next 10. This is a brutal strech.

Kyrie, get the **** jab. When is Joe back? I'd be happy if we go 5-5.


1/25 vs LAL
1/26 vs DEN (back to back)
1/30 at GSW
2/1 at PHX
2/2 at SAC (back to back)
2/4 at UTA
2/6 at DEN
2/8 vs BOS
2/10 at WAS
2/12 at MIA

We should go at worst 5-5 and id hope for 7-3.

The lakers are a bad team playing poorly. Sacramento is now openly tanking. Boston is bad. Washington we should have blown at last game and should again this time. Utah is one of the coldest teams going 3-8 in their last 11 and Kyrie has owned them for his career. Denver is a .500 team missing more guys then us, @ denver is winnable. We should split suns/GSW with Kyrie for both.

1/25 vs LAL - Win
1/26 vs DEN (back to back) - Loss
1/30 at GSW - Win
2/1 at PHX - Loss
2/2 at SAC (back to back) - Win
2/4 at UTA - win
2/6 at DEN - win
2/8 vs BOS - win
2/10 at WAS - wn
2/12 at MIA - loss

[Prokorov]

Subpar games from Harden & Aldridge. Even Sharpe was made to look a couple of inches shorter, getting foiled a number of times around the rim. Perimeter defenders continue to be frustratingly undisciplined in sagging off the 3-shooters.

I get how Nash might think KAT is a bad match-up for Blake, but neither Sharpe nor Johnson could do anything about Towns when he blunted all our efforts at a comeback in the 4th... So maybe try BG2 again who did well in 6 mins in 2Q (despite getting his face pushed off by Reid) just to give KAT different looks?

Blake isnt a 6 mpg/DNP player. he should be playing more. Even if he is a 0 on offense what he gives you in defense/charges/hustle/IQ is worth it. and if his shot ever comes back he is a plus on both sides.

i was fine putting in johnson if the idea was to switch everything to try and string together stops. but isntead we played drop coverage with 2 small defenders which led to gimmie layups.

[Prokorov]

Nash and Marks need to take responsibility for this.
Everyone praises Marks for his finds but ignore his failures, and they’re huge failures.
How can multiple late draft picks come to beat out most of your veteran rotation?
Is it not odd that’s it’s particularly Kessler and Sharpe that’s starting? Is it because they are that good or that they are the only players brought in that fulfill required roles? Kessler is the only true 3&D wing on the team and Sharpe the only rim runner/protector rebounder.
He did it last year with Bruce. No roll men and found a niche player who can roll from the 2guard spot. Instead of filling the role he brought him back and others like him because the idea of two Blake’s(Paul Milsap) was more tantalizing than getting true centers.
Won’t move Joe because he’s our only shooter but why do we have 1 shooter?

Has his moves been great or do we pedestal finds because they do things we NEED? Marks has been just as responsible if not more than Nash. He’s getting a pass cause everyone loves rookies and the narrative of turning a no picks team into a 8th seed(despite no context ever been used with that) is super strong. Obvious glaring problems since last year and even at full health we just would out talent teams.

Marks need to prove he’s a contenders GM. Some coaches are great for a rebuilding team. Same with GM’s.

I think marks had an elite offseason. You cant ignore he had just 1 late pick and the tax payer MLE and thats it. it sounds nice to "bring in 3 & D guys" or "True centers" but those guys cost alot more then the vets minimum.

Like what 3&D vet guy that went for the minimum did we miss out on?

-Ariza | Washed, cant stay healthy, played 6 games shooting 31% from three (no better then what milsap is giving us)
-Terence Davis | went for more then the minimum for a bigger role and is shooting 32% from deep
-Mike muscala | went for more the double the minimum
-David Nwaba | went for more then double the minimum
-Otto Porter Jr. | Chose GSW over us

Outside of Porter that list is short, full of not good player playing poorly, and guys who probably wouldn't have taken the minimum for us.

Marks did get Javon Carter, a 38% three point shooter. And Milsap was 35% career (.22.2 this season). Those two and Blake have all perfmored well below their abilities. Nash's handling of them doesnt help. Carter was used like Allen Iverson, where the suns had him catch and shoot in the corner.

We added Patty Mills who is shooting 43% on 8 attempts a game. which is better then anything we could have hoped from Shamet.

Really Marks biggest issues were:

1) signing nash.
2) not trading for forbes, who the spurs basically paid to get rid of and marks has that spurs connection
3) Not adding a shot blocker

#1 alone is a fireable offense. Not replacing d'antoni to keep nash a puppet is also awful.

[MGrand15]

I don't think there's any debate that Marks had a disappointing off season. Even without using hindsight - some people felt that our signings skewed big, old, and light on shooting. It's not surprising AT ALL that Millsap fell off a cliff. Johnson has barely been rotation guy the last few years. We need to thank the heavens that Edwards, Cam, and Sharpe came in ready to play. Late firsts and 2nd rounders are rarely ready like this. Same thing with Bembry. That's obviously a positive for Marks but the fact that we need them, shows how bad he missed on the others.

LMA
Blake
Claxton
Johnson
Sharpe

5 guys who in today's NBA should be playing strictly center. That's a fail. Then with Bruce + Bembry - you have 2 non-shooters. I just think the roster construction was completely dependent on the big 3 + Harris + Mills providing all the spacing and playmaking. Not a terrible idea in theory but it didn't work out. We need to pivot.

Letting MDA go is also proving to be a big mistake. Some people were upset about coaching last year but this year has been a CLEAR step back. Nash is getting called out regularly by the YES broadcast + Harden. That never happened last year.

[Prokorov]

I don't think there's any debate that Marks had a disappointing off season. Even without using hindsight - some people felt that our signings skewed big, old, and light on shooting. It's not surprising AT ALL that Millsap fell off a cliff. Johnson has barely been rotation guy the last few years. We need to thank the heavens that Edwards, Cam, and Sharpe came in ready to play. Late firsts and 2nd rounders are rarely ready like this. Same thing with Bembry. That's obviously a positive for Marks but the fact that we need them, shows how bad he missed on the others.

LMA
Blake
Claxton
Johnson
Sharpe

5 guys who in today's NBA should be playing strictly center. That's a fail. Then with Bruce + Bembry - you have 2 non-shooters. I just think the roster construction was completely dependent on the big 3 + Harris + Mills providing all the spacing and playmaking. Not a terrible idea in theory but it didn't work out. We need to pivot.

Letting MDA go is also proving to be a big mistake. Some people were upset about coaching last year but this year has been a CLEAR step back. Nash is getting called out regularly by the YES broadcast + Harden. That never happened last year.

You are pointing out the flaws of the offseason without pointing out the better options that were available. If we were an under the tax team with a full compliment of picks, then yeah maybe this would be a disappointing offseason.

But you HAVE to factor in our assets were next to nothing:
-Taxpayer MLE
-#27 overall
-3 second rounders (44,49,59)

The MLE went to Mills. A great addition as far as fit and a salary bargain. Upgrade to the outgoing Landry Shamet.

LMA/Johnson/Milsap are not some all world trio and lack shooting. I'll give you a Milsap decline was not a surprise. But again, on the veteran minimum, who w\ere we going to bring in who was better? Bigman shooters are not plentiful, especially for the vets minimum. I cant find a single one looking at offseason transactions for a PF/C who shoots threes who went for the minimum.

Likewise, #&D guys are rare, coveted by all 30 teams and are tough to get with the MLE let alone the minimum. I dont see anyone out there we could have gotten was reasonably better then Carter/Milsap. Otto Porter is the only name i see. Ariza has been as bad as milsap and hurt.

Not replacing D;antoni I agree with.

But who are these Vet minimum guys you would have signed, even in hindsight?

Also, i dont think coming into the season with 4 elite shooters (Kyrie, KD, Harris, Mills, Harden) 2 solid shooters (Carter, Milsap) and 1 decent shooting center (Blake) is going into a season "light" on shooting or taking a gamble

[MGrand15]

I don't think there's any debate that Marks had a disappointing off season. Even without using hindsight - some people felt that our signings skewed big, old, and light on shooting. It's not surprising AT ALL that Millsap fell off a cliff. Johnson has barely been rotation guy the last few years. We need to thank the heavens that Edwards, Cam, and Sharpe came in ready to play. Late firsts and 2nd rounders are rarely ready like this. Same thing with Bembry. That's obviously a positive for Marks but the fact that we need them, shows how bad he missed on the others.

LMA
Blake
Claxton
Johnson
Sharpe

5 guys who in today's NBA should be playing strictly center. That's a fail. Then with Bruce + Bembry - you have 2 non-shooters. I just think the roster construction was completely dependent on the big 3 + Harris + Mills providing all the spacing and playmaking. Not a terrible idea in theory but it didn't work out. We need to pivot.

Letting MDA go is also proving to be a big mistake. Some people were upset about coaching last year but this year has been a CLEAR step back. Nash is getting called out regularly by the YES broadcast + Harden. That never happened last year.

You are pointing out the flaws of the offseason without pointing out the better options that were available. If we were an under the tax team with a full compliment of picks, then yeah maybe this would be a disappointing offseason.

But you HAVE to factor in our assets were next to nothing:
-Taxpayer MLE
-#27 overall
-3 second rounders (44,49,59)

The MLE went to Mills. A great addition as far as fit and a salary bargain. Upgrade to the outgoing Landry Shamet.

LMA/Johnson/Milsap are not some all world trio and lack shooting. I'll give you a Milsap decline was not a surprise. But again, on the veteran minimum, who w\ere we going to bring in who was better? Bigman shooters are not plentiful, especially for the vets minimum. I cant find a single one looking at offseason transactions for a PF/C who shoots threes who went for the minimum.

Likewise, #&D guys are rare, coveted by all 30 teams and are tough to get with the MLE let alone the minimum. I dont see anyone out there we could have gotten was reasonably better then Carter/Milsap. Otto Porter is the only name i see. Ariza has been as bad as milsap and hurt.

Not replacing D;antoni I agree with.

But who are these Vet minimum guys you would have signed, even in hindsight?

It's not really about finding "better" players - it's about finding better fits. When you start the season with 4 centers (not including Sharpe) + Millsap + Brown/Bembry - the roster construction is clunky. The goal didn't need to be centers that can shoot. But 3/4s that can shoot + wings that can shoot.

Even with limited assets - we're in a big market, we have 3 superstars, we have an organization that lets you do whatever tf you want. Guys are willing to come here - even at discounts.

It's a waste of time to go through a list of better options. Anyone I bring up - you're just going to say 'well we had no chance of signing them' or we tried or whatever. Someone like Markieff Morris signed for the minimum and he would've been perfect.

Maybe Marks tried his best but the end result was a roster that was too big, too slow, and light on shooting. When the number 1 priority should be spacing around our stars, I think that's a failure.

[GTR11]

I don't think there's any debate that Marks had a disappointing off season. Even without using hindsight - some people felt that our signings skewed big, old, and light on shooting. It's not surprising AT ALL that Millsap fell off a cliff. Johnson has barely been rotation guy the last few years. We need to thank the heavens that Edwards, Cam, and Sharpe came in ready to play. Late firsts and 2nd rounders are rarely ready like this. Same thing with Bembry. That's obviously a positive for Marks but the fact that we need them, shows how bad he missed on the others.

LMA
Blake
Claxton
Johnson
Sharpe

5 guys who in today's NBA should be playing strictly center. That's a fail. Then with Bruce + Bembry - you have 2 non-shooters. I just think the roster construction was completely dependent on the big 3 + Harris + Mills providing all the spacing and playmaking. Not a terrible idea in theory but it didn't work out. We need to pivot.

Letting MDA go is also proving to be a big mistake. Some people were upset about coaching last year but this year has been a CLEAR step back. Nash is getting called out regularly by the YES broadcast + Harden. That never happened last year.

You are pointing out the flaws of the offseason without pointing out the better options that were available. If we were an under the tax team with a full compliment of picks, then yeah maybe this would be a disappointing offseason.

But you HAVE to factor in our assets were next to nothing:
-Taxpayer MLE
-#27 overall
-3 second rounders (44,49,59)

The MLE went to Mills. A great addition as far as fit and a salary bargain. Upgrade to the outgoing Landry Shamet.

LMA/Johnson/Milsap are not some all world trio and lack shooting. I'll give you a Milsap decline was not a surprise. But again, on the veteran minimum, who w\ere we going to bring in who was better? Bigman shooters are not plentiful, especially for the vets minimum. I cant find a single one looking at offseason transactions for a PF/C who shoots threes who went for the minimum.

Likewise, #&D guys are rare, coveted by all 30 teams and are tough to get with the MLE let alone the minimum. I dont see anyone out there we could have gotten was reasonably better then Carter/Milsap. Otto Porter is the only name i see. Ariza has been as bad as milsap and hurt.

Not replacing D;antoni I agree with.

But who are these Vet minimum guys you would have signed, even in hindsight?

It's not really about finding "better" players - it's about finding better fits. When you start the season with 4 centers (not including Sharpe) + Millsap + Brown/Bembry - the roster construction is clunky. The goal didn't need to be centers that can shoot. But 3/4s that can shoot + wings that can shoot.

Even with limited assets - we're in a big market, we have 3 superstars, we have an organization that lets you do whatever tf you want. Guys are willing to come here - even at discounts.

It's a waste of time to go through a list of better options. Anyone I bring up - you're just going to say 'well we had no chance of signing them' or we tried or whatever. Someone like Markieff Morris signed for the minimum and he would've been perfect.

Maybe Marks tried his best but the end result was a roster that was too big, too slow, and light on shooting. When the number 1 priority should be spacing around our stars, I think that's a failure.

MGrand15

What's your take on Kyrie and him refusing help his team ( getting vaccinated ), also how much blame goes to Marks/Tsai.

[Prokorov]

It's not really about finding "better" players - it's about finding better fits. When you start the season with 4 centers (not including Sharpe) + Millsap + Brown/Bembry - the roster construction is clunky. The goal didn't need to be centers that can shoot. But 3/4s that can shoot + wings that can shoot.

I don't disagree, but again who are thes 3/4s that can shoot that could be had/signed for the vets minimum? Milsap as a career 35% three point shooter was one of the few available.

Even with limited assets - we're in a big market, we have 3 superstars, we have an organization that lets you do whatever tf you want. Guys are willing to come here - even at discounts.

Again, who are these guys. Even looking at guys who signed for 2 times the minimum who may have taken a discount, there is not alot of guys there and even less who are better then what we ended up with.

It's a waste of time to go through a list of better options. Anyone I bring up - you're just going to say 'well we had no chance of signing them' or we tried or whatever. Someone like Markieff Morris signed for the minimum and he would've been perfect.

It is not a waste of time, as criticizing someone for who he signed without presenting the acceptable alternatives is just a weak argument. Morris is certainly a name that fits. If you want to knock marks for missing that is not unreasonable. I would point out:

1) He is a 34.1% career shooter from three (Same exact career number as Milsap, who is 34.1% career from three). Morris was coming off a 31.1% season from three, Milsap 34.3% from three. It isnt like Morris was some sniper we missed on.

2) He went to another big market team. Its one thing to lose out to Memphis or Boston. But if we lose out to LA/MIA/NY/CHI it is harder to fault the GM.

Maybe Marks tried his best but the end result was a roster that was too big, too slow, and light on shooting. When the number 1 priority should be spacing around our stars, I think that's a failure.

I disagree a team coming into the year with:

KD (Best stretch big ever | 38% career on high volume)
Harden (37% career on GOAT volume)
Kyrie (39% carerr on high volume)
Harris (44% career on high volume)
Mills (39% career on decent volume)
Milsap (35% career on decent volume for a big)
Carter (38% career on role player volume)
Blake (33% career on moderate volume)

is "light on shooting". I agree on athleticism. That and the lack of a 7-foot shot blocker were my criticisms of the offseason. I think they were minor but still exsisted. I thought Bembry and a full year of Claxton would help there but Nash for some reasons wants to bench Bembry and Claxton cant get back on the court.

In either event, if we had gone out and added Ariza, Porter, and David Nwaba would we really be any better off then we are now?

-Ariza has been as bad/worse then mislap
-Nwaba has been worse both ends and as a shooter then Bembry
-Otto Porter is basically doing the same as Kessler Edwards

Maybe Porter provides a bit more then Edwards... is that really changing the course of our season?

I think with hindsight and maybe without you can have some criticisms about marks offseason. But calling it a bad offseason or saying we came into the year with a flawed roster that doesnt fit is just flat our wrong.

[GYK]

Nash and Marks need to take responsibility for this.
Everyone praises Marks for his finds but ignore his failures, and they’re huge failures.
How can multiple late draft picks come to beat out most of your veteran rotation?
Is it not odd that’s it’s particularly Kessler and Sharpe that’s starting? Is it because they are that good or that they are the only players brought in that fulfill required roles? Kessler is the only true 3&D wing on the team and Sharpe the only rim runner/protector rebounder.
He did it last year with Bruce. No roll men and found a niche player who can roll from the 2guard spot. Instead of filling the role he brought him back and others like him because the idea of two Blake’s(Paul Milsap) was more tantalizing than getting true centers.
Won’t move Joe because he’s our only shooter but why do we have 1 shooter?

Has his moves been great or do we pedestal finds because they do things we NEED? Marks has been just as responsible if not more than Nash. He’s getting a pass cause everyone loves rookies and the narrative of turning a no picks team into a 8th seed(despite no context ever been used with that) is super strong. Obvious glaring problems since last year and even at full health we just would out talent teams.

Marks need to prove he’s a contenders GM. Some coaches are great for a rebuilding team. Same with GM’s.

I think marks had an elite offseason. You cant ignore he had just 1 late pick and the tax payer MLE and thats it. it sounds nice to "bring in 3 & D guys" or "True centers" but those guys cost alot more then the vets minimum.

Like what 3&D vet guy that went for the minimum did we miss out on?

-Ariza | Washed, cant stay healthy, played 6 games shooting 31% from three (no better then what milsap is giving us)
-Terence Davis | went for more then the minimum for a bigger role and is shooting 32% from deep
-Mike muscala | went for more the double the minimum
-David Nwaba | went for more then double the minimum
-Otto Porter Jr. | Chose GSW over us

Outside of Porter that list is short, full of not good player playing poorly, and guys who probably wouldn't have taken the minimum for us.

Marks did get Javon Carter, a 38% three point shooter. And Milsap was 35% career (.22.2 this season). Those two and Blake have all perfmored well below their abilities. Nash's handling of them doesnt help. Carter was used like Allen Iverson, where the suns had him catch and shoot in the corner.

We added Patty Mills who is shooting 43% on 8 attempts a game. which is better then anything we could have hoped from Shamet.

Really Marks biggest issues were:

1) signing nash.
2) not trading for forbes, who the spurs basically paid to get rid of and marks has that spurs connection
3) Not adding a shot blocker

#1 alone is a fireable offense. Not replacing d'antoni to keep nash a puppet is also awful.

He had a terrible off season.
Who cares if he got more picks for a win now team we ain’t rebuilding. This isn’t the no pick team he turned around. It’s a run at a potential dynasty and we lack things that make it hard to believe a championship is possible.
Why are you saying it’s hard to get 3&D wings and centers. Centers are literally the cheapest. 3&D wings are all around the league he chose who he did because the envisioned playstyle was more Bruce Brown rolling as Paul, Blake and LMA stretch. No this wasn’t about a lack of options. He just wanted a certain style of team and it failed. Cause if it was a lack of options the rookies would’ve never been signed, they would’ve been immediately traded for win now pieces. But he felt his rotation was stellar and this now/later idea creeped into his head.
He gambled and lost. There’s tradeable pieces in this team. Are you dedicated to role players and their development/just liking a guy or the one thing they do or are you dedicated to the 3 superstars you have and a chance at winning.
Your stretch bigs ain’t stretching(they never were gonna give you great defense or rebounding).
Your defensive wings can’t shoot receive well more PT than plan and even then we’re never gonna give you all defense capable performances.
Your one pure shooter doesn’t complete your core and means your possible best player will be guarding opposing stars.

Fulfilled roles is everything to this team because we accomplished the hardest part of building a contender. That’s done. He made it harder.

[Prokorov]

He had a terrible off season.

There is literally 0 argument he had a terrible offseason

Why are you saying it’s hard to get 3&D wings and centers. Centers are literally the cheapest. 3&D wings are all around the league he chose who he did because the envisioned playstyle was more Bruce Brown rolling as Paul, Blake and LMA stretch. No this wasn’t about a lack of options

Because the ARE hard to get. 3&D wings are all around the league, they also typically cost their team the full MLE or more. I mean look at the 3&D guys around the league

Crowder 9+ million per
Covington 12+ million per
PJ Tucker 8+ Million
Danny Green 10 million
OG Anonuby 18 million
Joe Ingles 11+ million
Royce O'nel 8.5 million

The Tax payer MLE is 5.98 million. We gave that to mills. everyone on that list makes more then mills and would have taken a discount. The only 3&D guys who are making less then 8-10 million are guys still on their rookie deal who WILL make 8-10 million plus once they hit free agency.

Again, give me the list of guys you would have preferred we sign.

Cause if it was a lack of options the rookies would’ve never been signed, they would’ve been immediately traded for win now pieces. But he felt his rotation was stellar and this now/later idea creeped into his head.

There isnt exactly a huge market for rookies taken in the #27-#60 range. Like we werent getting Danny Green or Crowder in a trade for our rookies. MAYBE the rookies have played well enough at the deadline to get a 1-way shooter or vet on his last legs like Batum. but certainly not some legit 3 & D guy.

Also, his rotation coming into the year WAS stellar. that rotation just whooped the bulls by 30+.

He gambled and lost. There’s tradeable pieces in this team. Are you dedicated to role players and their development/just liking a guy or the one thing they do or are you dedicated to the 3 superstars you have and a chance at winning.

What tradeable pieces? We are over the cap so we have to match salaries. look above, 3 & D guys go for 8-10 million or so. our rookies were late picks. Cam thomas makes 2 million. if you combined Cam, Sharpe, Edwards, and Duke they arent enough to match for an 8 million player. Likewise, Claxton makes less then 2 million.

Joe Harris is the only assets we have with salary that would allow us to bring back a player of that calibur. Hard to trade him when he is out and having surgery and your not improving shooting trading joe.

Your stretch bigs ain’t stretching(they never were gonna give you great defense or rebounding).
Your defensive wings can’t shoot receive well more PT than plan and even then we’re never gonna give you all defense capable performances. Your one pure shooter doesn’t complete your core and means your possible best player will be guarding opposing stars.

Again, every team wants stretch bigs and 3 & D guys. when you have only the vets minimum to offer and have no salary or blue chip assets to trade, you wont land those guys

Fulfilled roles is everything to this team because we accomplished the hardest part of building a contender. That’s done. He made it harder.

Again, the sacrafic to get harden was to make it harden to get those high end role guys. Marks has 3 options:

-Wait for the buyout, sign more guys the level of milsap/carter and hope they fare better
-Use the trade exceptions and minor assets to get a 1-way player who shoots or defends shot but both
-Trade Harris for a 3 & D player who is a lesser shooter and likely on a not so friendly contract

option 1 is a roll of the dice, but thats what you get for the minimum

option 2 has some upside, we will likely see some form of it, but again, your not getting one of the names above for what we can offer there

option 3 has high boom or bust potential. We would certainly not get better shooting but could get a 3 & D guy. but with harris injured were also getting 75 cents on the dollar.

Find the the names you feel fit better and work. 99% of them are not attainable for what we can spend/trade

[MrDollarBills]

Options were very limited and we were lucky to get Mills.

I was saying that we needed one more shooter back in August and this is why. Not sure who was available though for pennies.

In hindsight also, Marks should have signed Isaiah Hartenstein.