WOJ: Harden, Millsap for Simmons, Curry, Drummons, Two #1's

[MrDollarBills]

This is a fantastic trade.

Simmons value at an all time low. I truly don’t think you’re appreciating his defensive impact and versatility. He’s also only 25.

Curry the best sniper in the game.

Nets stacked.


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Yeah I know it got ugly in Philly but this isnt a guy who fell of a cliff and sucked... he was really just bad in the playoffs, he is coming off a great season:

15/8/7 59 TS% and All-NBA defense.

Maybe he has some head issues maybe he has some ego issue but honestly this is the rare situation where Kyrie/KD are perfect teammates from a leadership spot. No one deals with more media scrutiny and being called a headcase then those 2 and they know how to drown out that noise.

Shooter or not, 25 year old 2-way all stars dont come along often,

and he'll be playing with KD and hopefully a full time Kyrie by late March. All Ben has to do is defend, rebound, and finish.

[GYK]

k:

Marks and Morey are smart GMs...

they wont let this deal go final until they suck all the value out of it. They will bring in a third team to take ancillary pieces and get the bang for their buck on the salary matching that is allowed with Harden involved.

We have alot more then we started the day with for smaller trades. We can now trade:

-3 1st round picks
-Harris
-Claxton/Brown/Milsap/Carter/Johnson
-Cam/Sharpe/Duke

If we can land Dragic in the buyout and make some smaller moves we look really great not just this year but the next few

Marks just had a terrible off-season traded for players all year this board said they didn’t want. He let go of why they were the best offense. Idc if you made a 8th seed. He fumbled the easiest dynasty ever. Marks is a bum. He has to win. Got your imitation Warriors team. Congrats.

Nothing in my soul tells me they are trading Joe. They didn’t want to trade him for James Harden. They certainly not trading him with Ben on the roster. I know your beliefs on spacing but no.

Cam, Nic, Brown, Carter are the pieces that are likely to paired to get someone and hopefully it’s a god damn 3&D wing. Patty, Curry, Joe, Kessler, LMA is great that’s a huge plus. A wing now allows for Ben to Draymond the backend while that person that’s on the backcourt threat.

So I assume you hate this deal?

No not really.
I wanted Simmons.
I wanted Drummond on the buyout.
I think they are quality players who both would’ve worked wonders when we had the 3. They always provided what the core 3 was missing. Defense. Size/length. Rebounding.
No I think this could work. I don’t think we are naturally as gifted offensively. I don’t think anyone here appreciates the threat Harden was and how well he ran our offense. Without him we HAVE to be better defensively. Possible tho. Now I’m waiting for the Klay clone to be brought in. Dillon Brooks immediately comes to mind considering the assets we would trade. Currently injured but the fit works.
The heights we can reach have been lowered and I feel moves to improve the team could’ve been made but certain non stars were prioritized but it’s not the worst trade.

[Born_Ready]

would you rather have drummond or myles turner?

[NyCeEvO]

I'll need to read and hear more from the Nets in the coming days to understand their rationale. Unless the Nets believe that Harden has truly peaked and on the decline health wise, I'm struggling to understand how they didn't get even more (e.g. Thybulle) in the deal.

Simmons was never going to play for the Sixers again, so giving them Harden strengthens a division rival tremendously. They'll have elite offense in Harden and Embiid and their team defense should be great with Embiid and Thybulle. We all know that Harden is a good post defender as well.

This is a head scratcher for me.

Harden (per Woj) clearly preferred a trade. It was going to happen at some point. Accommodating stars/players is good business and how we got to a place were stars want to come here. There are some fringe benefits as well:

1) Short term, we can win some games, maybe crawl out of the play-in. Harden wasnt going to play and is hurt anyhow
2) We are much more likely to financially keep the team together. What Simmons is owed 40% less then what harden would have gotten
3) While id rather play it out and settle for less, we would always get a better return now then the offseason... i dont buy there was a real risk we lose him for nothing, but it would have been closer to just simmons.

I didn't have an issue in principle with trading Harden and I don't disagree with any of your points (especially #2 considering that Harden hasn't played anywhere close to a $50mil/season player and he's only getting older.)

My issues are:

1) Harden is worth more, especially when considering that Simmons was never going to play for the Sixers again;
2) we strengthened a neighboring (at least for fans in NJ) division rival by giving them a superstar talent.

I think there was a greater chance of the mandate getting lifted and Kyrie playing home games in the postseason than Simmons playing for the Sixers again. Therefore, if we got healthy, we'd still be unbelievably talented and favorites to win it all, while Philly remains a pretty good team but not great enough to win a title this season without Simmons. With Harden, I'd definitely put the Sixers as a firm contender this season and going forward. A 2-man game between Embiid and (healthy) Harden is elite and they'll still have elite wing defense with Thybulle and paint protection with Embiid.

IMO, if you're going to make this trade with a division rival, you need to get tremendous value and I don't think Marks got that.

[Prokorov]

you guys gonna miss Harden?

Last years harden? yes. the guy who could will an undermanned team to regular season wins and make us unbeatable in the playoffs? yes.

This verison of harden? slowed by a hamstring, lost a half step, targeted by refs? a little bit but not all that much given we have simmons/curry to look forward to.

Next year/future harden... no, i wont miss him at all. Harden @ 55M per will not age well

[draftbarnes]

I think the trade is good for both team and the NBA in general. Seth Curry is a nice piece.

This is also going to be a fun new rivalry for us and Philly.

Yes I agree it’s a win win for both teams. But I think Philly made out better. Ben Simmons was never gonna play for them again anyway. So it’s like Curry + 2FRP straight up for Harden. That’s an absolute steal.

depends on the version of Harden

If he goes back to the Houston version ..yeah

[Netaman]

I didn't think it was going to be possible to think someone was more of a drag on the team's lockerroom than Kyrie this year and then Harden went out and called game. Good riddance.

I think Simmons fits the nets perfectly. Never has to be on the court in the last few minutes. Never needs to take a jump shot. He's 25 years old and raises the floor of the roster over the next 4 years he and KD are both under contract.

the entire trade hinges on whether or not the last 2 years were a sign of whats to come for Harden on the floor or a complete aberration. At age 32 i'm thinking it wasn't an aberration.

Curry is a low key huge add. Forget Joe Harris' ankle, he was perhaps the only guy in the NBA who choked harder than Simmons in the playoffs last year...by a lot. He cost them the Milwaukee series. Period.

Good luck defending Kyrie and KD end of game with Mills and Curry waiting for kick outs.

only concern is nash. Simmons game theoretically fits great as a hybrid front court player but nash hasn't proven capable of fitting anything together effectively on the floor (or off).

[MrDollarBills]

I love the deal. i was hoping Marks would have gotten Thybulle but getting two 1st rd picks is pretty sweet.

Curry adds a much needed shooter and drummond provides another big body for us an makes Claxton or Sharpe a trade piece in a potential deal to land Grant.

Today was a win for us. Yall wanted to really hold Harden hostage after you bitched about him sucking for MONTHS? LMAO. make up your minds.

Yup, nail on the head MDB.

You know im not a drummond/rebounding guy but KD loves him and i dont think we need to worry about rebounding now.

I think people will soon remember how good simmons is. He cant shoot but i mean, its not like we havent had 2-3 non-shooters in our lineup for a month now. And we have the spacing to put around him to make it work.

If Joe comes back by late March, and hopefully the city lifts the mandate in the spring, our spacing will be back to elite.

[Prokorov]

As I mentioned in another thread, I really like this trade. Now the team has 3 elite shooters(Curry, Mills, Harris), legit size (Ben, Drummond, Aldridge) and picks to trade.

We will be flipping Clax + picks + trash for wings/backup PG.

Wing Targets:
Jerami Grant
Harrison Barnes
DeAndre Hunter

PGs:
Any ideas?

I still love DJ Augustin. Steady vet, played with LMA at Texas and Texas connection with KD

[Prokorov]

Nets win this trade, Harden has declined and I think there will be issues chemistry wise in Philly and Harden will choke when it matters most. Simmons is a beast defensively who will work on his game and Curry/Mills will be a dynamic duo as spot up shooters. Also, Woj says Nets ain't done, I smell a Joe Harris/Clax/Pics trade coming very soon for a J.Grant type of player. Nets will be formidable.

Did harden decline or did he actually stop trying? I watched the kings game and he look like he quit. He needs to lose weight for sure.

Kings game Harden = either quit or severly hampered by hamstring

First 2 months of the season harden = declined a bit

The best version of Harden we had this year was 85-90% of what we saw from him last year. and last year he also had to do a ton with no KD/Kyrie

[MrDollarBills]

I'll need to read and hear more from the Nets in the coming days to understand their rationale. Unless the Nets believe that Harden has truly peaked and on the decline health wise, I'm struggling to understand how they didn't get even more (e.g. Thybulle) in the deal.

Simmons was never going to play for the Sixers again, so giving them Harden strengthens a division rival tremendously. They'll have elite offense in Harden and Embiid and their team defense should be great with Embiid and Thybulle. We all know that Harden is a good post defender as well.

This is a head scratcher for me.

Harden (per Woj) clearly preferred a trade. It was going to happen at some point. Accommodating stars/players is good business and how we got to a place were stars want to come here. There are some fringe benefits as well:

1) Short term, we can win some games, maybe crawl out of the play-in. Harden wasnt going to play and is hurt anyhow
2) We are much more likely to financially keep the team together. What Simmons is owed 40% less then what harden would have gotten
3) While id rather play it out and settle for less, we would always get a better return now then the offseason... i dont buy there was a real risk we lose him for nothing, but it would have been closer to just simmons.

I didn't have an issue in principle with trading Harden and I don't disagree with any of your points (especially #2 considering that Harden hasn't played anywhere close to a $50mil/season player and he's only getting older.)

My issues are:

1) Harden is worth more, especially when considering that Simmons was never going to play for the Sixers again;
2) we strengthened a neighboring (at least for fans in NJ) division rival by giving them a superstar talent.

I think there was a greater chance of the mandate getting lifted and Kyrie playing home games in the postseason than Simmons playing for the Sixers again. Therefore, if we got healthy, we'd still be unbelievably talented and favorites to win it all, while Philly remains a pretty good team but not great enough to win a title this season without Simmons. With Harden, I'd definitely put the Sixers as a firm contender this season and going forward. A 2-man game between Embiid and (healthy) Harden is elite and they'll still have elite wing defense with Thybulle and paint protection with Embiid.

IMO, if you're going to make this trade with a division rival, you need to get tremendous value and I don't think Marks got that.

Two first round picks, a 25 year old all star level talent, an elite shooter and a servicable big is tremendous value.

[Hello Brooklyn]

well Brooklyn/Philly rivalry just got real.
Hope our day isn’t over Bruce/Nic/Carter/Cam aren’t needed. Would be nice to get a wing and/or an actual stretch five.
I accept for a fact they aren’t ever moving Joe. He’s valued only 2nd to Durant by this team. Very clear.

Marks and Morey are smart GMs...

they wont let this deal go final until they suck all the value out of it. They will bring in a third team to take ancillary pieces and get the bang for their buck on the salary matching that is allowed with Harden involved.

We have alot more then we started the day with for smaller trades. We can now trade:

-3 1st round picks
-Harris
-Claxton/Brown/Milsap/Carter/Johnson
-Cam/Sharpe/Duke

If we can land Dragic in the buyout and make some smaller moves we look really great not just this year but the next few

Marks just had a terrible off-season traded for players all year this board said they didn’t want. He let go of why they were the best offense. Idc if you made a 8th seed. He fumbled the easiest dynasty ever. Marks is a bum. He has to win. Got your imitation Warriors team. Congrats.

Nothing in my soul tells me they are trading Joe. They didn’t want to trade him for James Harden. They certainly not trading him with Ben on the roster. I know your beliefs on spacing but no.

Cam, Nic, Brown, Carter are the pieces that are likely to paired to get someone and hopefully it’s a god damn 3&D wing. Patty, Curry, Joe, Kessler, LMA is great that’s a huge plus. A wing now allows for Ben to Draymond the backend while that person that’s on the backcourt threat.

I agree 1000%.

Marks has been horrible. Imagine getting KD and Kyrie to sign and **** it up this bad.

[Suwanee]

I think the trade is good for both team and the NBA in general. Seth Curry is a nice piece.

This is also going to be a fun new rivalry for us and Philly.

Yes I agree it’s a win win for both teams. But I think Philly made out better. Ben Simmons was never gonna play for them again anyway. So it’s like Curry + 2FRP straight up for Harden. That’s an absolute steal.

depends on the version of Harden

If he goes back to the Houston version ..yeah

Forget about Houston Harden. Even this year's version of James Harden is well worth Curry + 2 firsts.

[TroubleS0me]

Simmons gonna play Center?

[Revived]

Anyone know if Simmons is vaccinated?

[Prokorov]

Harden didn't want to be here... Sucks, but not much you can do.

Here's to hoping Simmons bucks up and plays like he did to start his career... Also my gut says Joe is done for the year, anyone have an update?

I'd be fine with how he played last year:

15/8/7 on 59 TS% and All-NBA defense

Alot is put on the playoffs and that meltdown but he was a fantastic player last season. fantastic. Embiid is great but you could double him. We have Kyrie/KD who can get their shot off against anyone and its hard to double both

LOL. Simmons was utter trash according to you when people including me propose trading for him not long ago. But now he’s fantastic. Just LOL

I hated the fit and still dont like it especially with Nash as coach. And i dont like we threw away 1 final year with the big 3. I'd be fine flipping him for a better fit in Fox/Collins too.

But he is a good player. Our offense will for sure struggle although curry helps that alot. If marks couldnt score with Harden/KD he is gonna struggle with simmons

[NyCeEvO]

Also **** James Harden. And **** all of you who are defending him.

Hes is 1000x worse than Kyrie.

This man literally demanded a trade here. Forced us to give up all our assets.

Then KD gets injured. And he thinks its ok to just quit, fake an injury, and high tail it out of here?

Who the **** does he think he is?

He is the next Deron Williams. Worst player in Nets history.

He got the Rockets to trade for and then trade away a better than current Dwight, CP3, and Westbrook in consecutive seasons before getting himself traded to a team he thought would win it all and then traded again.

To a certain degree, I am both cloyed and bemused in his shamelessness for desiring a title so badly.

[Prokorov]

simmons guarding harden in philly during the playoffs? that's must see tv.

Embiid switched on to simmons or vice versa even better TV.

NBA will absolutely manipulate it so we get that matchup. It will be philly/BK 4 and 5 seed for sure

[Sharcm1]

So the nets basically traded 7 first round picks, levert and Allen for Simmons and Seth curry. Yeah that makes sense. Never should have done that harden trade last year. I didn’t like it from the get go. Now we trade him to an eastern conference rival so they can go win a chip. Simmons better come in and be the player they all hype him to be. This was a huge fail

[MrDollarBills]

Anyone know if Simmons is vaccinated?

he is.