Joe tsai takes time to adress kyries “views” but not the team needs

[HardenGoat]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

I use the term mentally Ill in the context of how dysfunctional a persons behavior becomes in regards to themselves and others. DSM-4 has criteria that must be met and Kyrie hits plenty. Crazy is not a word I use, it is a hate word. He has elements of oppositional defiance, schizotypal, and narcissism. You don’t have to perfectly fit those categories to be deemed a person that is suffering from mental illness. In fact there is considerable overlap in personality disorders. Kyrie was missing at the start 2 seasons ago due to mental health issues. His teams have suffered due to his behavior and distractions. What he propped up on his platform is actually dangerous, he has over 17 million followers and many are young, impressionable, and should be led away from hate agendas not towards them.

[Gooner]

That depends on how “harm” is defined.

Well, you've had guys in the NBA that have done much worse things that we know of, some recent examples like Draymond Green, Joshua Primo or Ime Udoka, and there are many guys in this industry doing way crazier things than Kyrie behind closed doors. Kyrie is different and he is very transparent about his beliefs, and that makes it very easy to label him as "crazy".

I don’t mean to make this personal, but the undertones I get here are his views align somewhat with your views so you’re sympathetic and apologetic to him.

Just because a car thief isn’t a murderer, it doesn’t mean he/she isn’t a criminal.

Not all mentally ill individuals are raging psychopaths, and not all harm is at the level of life crippling affects.

I have similar views as Kyrie when it comes to life in general. I like him as a player because of his talent and style, but I also respect him as a person because he is authentic.

[MrDollarBills]

This is why Harden left. Basketball is just a side gig that he uses as a platform for what he deems “more important life purposes”. He’s not shy about admitting it either. The man is mentally ill. You can’t win a chip with this. Lebron just got lucky and caught him as an infant but now he is too far gone. It’s also disturbing how many followers he has and how divisional they are.

To call him mentally ill is excessive. He is just different. He hasn't done any harm to anybody, he is not a criminal. He never even says bad things about anybody. He just has values and ideas that don't mesh well with this corporate environment that he is in, and that creates constant tension and drama because it's not a natural fit.

But I would say that if he wants to keep his place in this industry, he will have to tone down on his opinions a little bit, because you can't have it both ways. If you are in this business, you have to play by the rules. If I was him, I would stay quiet for the next few years, keep playing in the NBA, earn more money, and then after career ends, say whatever I want to say, not being worried about the league, sponsors or anything like that.

I use the term mentally Ill in the context of how dysfunctional a persons behavior becomes in regards to themselves and others. DSM-4 has criteria that must be met and Kyrie hits plenty. Crazy is not a word I use, it is a hate word. He has elements of oppositional defiance, schizotypal, and narcissism. You don’t have to perfectly fit those categories to be deemed a person that is suffering from mental illness. In fact there is considerable overlap in personality disorders. Kyrie was missing at the start 2 seasons ago due to mental health issues. His teams have suffered due to his behavior and distractions. What he propped up on his platform is actually dangerous, he has over 17 million followers and many are young, impressionable, and should be led away from hate agendas not towards them.

It's already too late. His followers are convinced that he did nothing wrong and they're attacking Jewish Nets fans who speak up. this situation is beyond repair and it was the moment he became defiant in that press conference and refused to take responsibility for his actions.

[Ecmic]

Well, you've had guys in the NBA that have done much worse things that we know of, some recent examples like Draymond Green, Joshua Primo or Ime Udoka, and there are many guys in this industry doing way crazier things than Kyrie behind closed doors. Kyrie is different and he is very transparent about his beliefs, and that makes it very easy to label him as "crazy".

Yeah, I agree those guys caused harm. But I’m not convinced in the concept of what I guess I’d call the “relativity of harm”. I think harm can be understood outside the environment of other unrelated harmful events.

I've used the term "harm" relative to the term "mental illness" that someone used to decribe Kyrie. If you think Kyrie is mentally ill or crazy, then I don't think you've really seen crazy. I would agree that from a professional standpoint, Kyrie did a lot of harm to his image.

Would you consider promotion of certain ideas to be potentially harmful?

[MrDollarBills]

Well, you've had guys in the NBA that have done much worse things that we know of, some recent examples like Draymond Green, Joshua Primo or Ime Udoka, and there are many guys in this industry doing way crazier things than Kyrie behind closed doors. Kyrie is different and he is very transparent about his beliefs, and that makes it very easy to label him as "crazy".

I don’t mean to make this personal, but the undertones I get here are his views align somewhat with your views so you’re sympathetic and apologetic to him.

Just because a car thief isn’t a murderer, it doesn’t mean he/she isn’t a criminal.

Not all mentally ill individuals are raging psychopaths, and not all harm is at the level of life crippling affects.

I have similar views as Kyrie when it comes to life in general. I like him as a player because of his talent and style, but I also respect him as a person because he is authentic.

So you're also a Holocaust denier?

[Gooner]

I don’t mean to make this personal, but the undertones I get here are his views align somewhat with your views so you’re sympathetic and apologetic to him.

Just because a car thief isn’t a murderer, it doesn’t mean he/she isn’t a criminal.

Not all mentally ill individuals are raging psychopaths, and not all harm is at the level of life crippling affects.

I have similar views as Kyrie when it comes to life in general. I like him as a player because of his talent and style, but I also respect him as a person because he is authentic.

So you're also a Holocaust denier?

I consider that a troll question.

[wco81]

Kyrie has a history of becoming a problem for EVERY team he's been on.

Can't believe people are still giving him passes.

See above that Barkley and Reggie Miller have spoken out again Kyrie now.

[wco81]

Bill Simmons claims the Nets have tried to trade Kyrie, not many takers.

Says Kyrie's career trajectory could be like Marbury's.

[MrDollarBills]

Bill Simmons claims the Nets have tried to trade Kyrie, not many takers.

Says Kyrie's career trajectory could be like Marbury's.

I predicted that Kyrie would be out of the league after this year and it's coming to fruition. And then his idiot followers will claim that he's being unfairly blacklisted.

No, Colin Kaepernick was unfairly blacklisted. Kyrie has been nothing but a cancer from the moment he came here.

[TheNetsFan]

Bill Simmons claims the Nets have tried to trade Kyrie, not many takers.

Says Kyrie's career trajectory could be like Marbury's.

I predicted that Kyrie would be out of the league after this year and it's coming to fruition. And then his idiot followers will claim that he's being unfairly blacklisted.

No, Colin Kaepernick was unfairly blacklisted. Kyrie has been nothing but a cancer from the moment he came here.

Somebody will offer Kyrie a contract, but it likely won't be a 4 year max contract. Will he play for $20mil or MLE level deals?

[wco81]

Bill Simmons claims the Nets have tried to trade Kyrie, not many takers.

Says Kyrie's career trajectory could be like Marbury's.

I predicted that Kyrie would be out of the league after this year and it's coming to fruition. And then his idiot followers will claim that he's being unfairly blacklisted.

No, Colin Kaepernick was unfairly blacklisted. Kyrie has been nothing but a cancer from the moment he came here.

Somebody will offer Kyrie a contract, but it likely won't be a 4 year max contract. Will he play for $20mil or MLE level deals?

It's still very early in the season but his FGAs and 3PAs are way up. I guess to be expected, since he's expected to carry a bigger scoring load.

His FG% and especially his 3P% are way down from his career levels. His assists are slightly down as well.

Maybe those numbers improve as Harris and Curry play more minutes and regain their career shooting efficiency.

But if he shoots under 30% from 3-point range for the whole season. that will dampen interest in free agency.

[MGrand15]

Did you guys hear that Kyrie sent his dad and step mom (his agent to be fair) to meet with the ADL instead of meeting them himself? Literally like a kid getting in trouble in school and his parents having to meet with the teacher. Hilarious and sad.

Combine that with Marks saying that we can't trust Kyrie to deal with the media because he'll make things worse. We're dealing with a manbaby.

[MrDollarBills]

Did you guys hear that Kyrie sent his dad and step mom (his agent to be fair) to meet with the ADL instead of meeting them himself? Literally like a kid getting in trouble in school and his parents having to meet with the teacher. Hilarious and sad.

Combine that with Marks saying that we can't trust Kyrie to deal with the media because he'll make things worse. We're dealing with a manbaby.

Of course he's a coward. It fits his entire profile.

[Murray_17]

I disagree with that. He refused to get vaccinated, and then team brought him back because they had too many (vaccinated) players infected with the virus and they needed his help. That proves that he was rigth about that situation, and he is right on many other things too, like talking about secret societies etc..

I was just reading the thread out of curiosity but lol.

Sorry to ask, what secret societies was Kyrie right about? are you saying Alex Jones (his source) was right about this?

[MrDollarBills]

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Kyrie is a f*cking bitch. I want this team to crash and burn so badly that Tsai puts his stake up for sale.

[wco81]

Well a big donation to the ADL from both Kyrie and the Nets.

Even if it puts this particular episode to bed, there's still a lot of season left.

NBA players are no more immune from social media addiction than other people. They can't stay away and odds are they continue to post things to alienate people.

[MGrand15]

The team needs to face reality.

Kyrie will never be a part of a winning culture. He could've easily shut this all down with an apology and saying that he never watched the film. He's tripling down because he doesn't care about basketball, his teammates, the organization, etc. He couldn't even bother to apologize in his prepared statement.

KD is unhappy here. And as amazing as he is on the court, he needs to be around a stable and structured environment to succeed. He'll never be the leader that drives that culture. Getting rid of Kyrie somewhat solves the culture problem but now we run into a basketball problem.

Ben appears to be a longer term project than we expected. His body isn't at 100%. His mind isn't at 100%. Is he likely to get there under championship pressure? On a team with weak spacing? Probably not.

We need to get rid of Kyrie (and his army) + trade KD and restock our draft assets. Build Ben back up. Give up on the championship dream.

[3pt_chucker]

I'm really starting to empathize with Kyrie here. It really feels like a gigantic overreaction to this.

No one is actually listening to him, which is what he really wants but instead demanding he be contrite.

He's clearly a contrarian, who at times is in over his head but that does not mean he has to be treated like some evil villain. Since when has curiosity been bad? Yes he's dumb to question everything but as a fan of the X-files and a scientist, I really understand where he's coming from. Too bad he doesn't have someone in his camp that can channel that properly.

In terms of the Nets tho, it's just been too many non-basketball problems from Kyrie which makes it exhausting. While I think the Nets have been horrible at times with managing him, the juice just might not be worth the squeeze.

[MrDollarBills]

Well a big donation to the ADL from both Kyrie and the Nets.

Even if it puts this particular episode to bed, there's still a lot of season left.

Kyrie didn't even have the decency to meet with the ADL, his parents did. Based on Adam Silver's email, it is clear that Kyrie is not even remotely contrite for what he's done.

It's crazy. The dude coughs up half a million dollars and won't even sit and have an honest and open discussion about it.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm really starting to empathize with Kyrie here. It really feels like a gigantic overreaction to this.

No one is actually listening to him, which is what he really wants but instead demanding he be contrite.

He's clearly a contrarian, who at times is in over his head but that does not mean he has to be treated like some evil villain. Since when has curiosity been bad? Yes he's dumb to question everything but as a fan of the X-files and a scientist, I really understand where he's coming from. Too bad he doesn't have someone in his camp that can channel that properly.

In terms of the Nets tho, it's just been too many non-basketball problems from Kyrie which makes it exhausting. While I think the Nets have been horrible at times with managing him, the juice just might not be worth the squeeze.

Do you emphasize with the Jewish Net fans who have been harassed and insulted on social media because of this or does Kyrie's inability to comprehend why what he did was dangerous weigh more in you opinion?

What is there to listen to? What is he even trying to say? He's too cowardly/dumb to even present what he's even trying to say in a coherent manner, any time he's pressed to expound on it he gets belligerent. This is the guy you want to have empathy for? Wow. I thought better of you man, but I guess I was wrong.

It's really crazy how casual people in this fanbase take antisemitism.