Jefferson ponders his future

[kamaze]

Switched it up a little.

This is an argument that can't be won so let's agree to disagree.

[G_MoNeY]

sure...have no problems with that.

I'm just wondering if it's RJ making a subtle hitnt that he wants out, or is there rumblings within the organization that they've made it clear they're wanting to deal RJ. Either way, I'm fine with it, said RJ should be dealt for nearly 2 years now.

[S.I.C. GM]

SIC,
RJ is never gonna be on VC's level so get over it.

When did I say RJ was going to be on VC's level. You really only read part of people's posts.

"And what are Carter's numbers?"
His numbers went down this year because of RJ trying to be the #1 this year

I would accept the ankle excuse but this is non sense check how many shots he took. Two less then last year.

"So how many people went this year? What did NJ average this year?"
Everyone knows the attendance isn't that great, which is why we're trying to make the move to Brooklyn. However, I'd hate to see what the attendance would be like with Vince gone.

So why did u bring it up? Weak argument!

"Wins! Where are they? Last year we barely made the playoffs, what are you talking about?"
First off, we did make the playoffs last year and not this year right? Oh yeah we did. Second, what are you talking about barely making the playoffs? We were the 6th seed and 6 games ahead of Indy who was in 9th. Plus we over-achieved with Krstic being out. Also, it was pretty coincidental that the team stepped it up when RJ went down. Look at the year before when we went on cruise control and took the 3rd seed and the year before that with Carter and Kidd playing outstanding basketball down the stretch (without RJ) to make the playoffs that year.

We were 41-41. You are very conVincing.

Trust me, now is the time to move RJ. He's a nice player but not a #1 option he's better suited as a #2. This year he was basically a #2 trying to be a #1.

I dont think RJ was trying to be the #1 guy. Only a few people here think this $hit. VC still average more attempts at the end of the day.

[deviljets7]

But significantly getting worse and hoping you draft someone good is extremely risky . For every team that took a franchise player high in the draft there are others that picked role players or even worse big busts .

What if you can't land a new franchise player ? Some Drafts don't have franchise players for example . Then you wasted Millions of Dollars because if you really really suck nobody will pay anything to watch you . It's not great right now but it will be far worse.

The management can't plan to lose money to maybe sometimes get better again in the draft. This year is our best chance to draft something really good because of the deep draft .

1. The cost of high lottery picks in terms of salary, is minimal in terms of the cap. Oden is only making $300K more than Trenton Hassell.

2. Your overstating the financial impact of this team sucking. By all accounts this team is losing millions of dollars right now. Will attendance go down if they are a 25-win team? Yes they will. But I think you're grossly overstating the amount it will lose considering attendance has basically sucked even when the team was good.

If you want to evaluate the situation from a purely financial standpoint, NJ is better off sucking and cutting payroll significantly over the next 2-3 years than it is, spending $60+ million like they have been in a desperate, but feeble attempt to get past the first round of the playoffs.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think you underestimate the amount of fair weather fans we have as well as ship jumping Knicks fans.

If we are a 20 win team with no VC and/or no RJ, we had better get someone like Mayo.
We would have a 4 figure average attendance.

Although I agree, Ratner doesn't want to lose money, but this is really just the centerpiece of his Brooklyn developement, which absolutely outweighs any moneys that the Nets can even think about losing him

I just don't want to turn on the TV and see less people at Continental(b itch I don't wear no Izod )(actually yes I do) then I do at a highschool game. Although, you can buy some cheap seats and wind up courtside.

That said Ratner seems to have a serious man crush on VC, and I think he will be the harder to be traded for true value.
The few teams I could see wanting him would already be contenders.

I think we would only trade him if we already traded RJ for a low lotto pick and drafted Mayo, and still had our 9-10 pick and possibly the 21-22.

[deviljets7]

I think you underestimate the amount of fair weather fans we have as well as ship jumping Knicks fans.

If we are a 20 win team with no VC and/or no RJ, we had better get someone like Mayo.
We would have a 4 figure average attendance.

Although I agree, Ratner doesn't want to lose money, but this is really just the centerpiece of his Brooklyn developement, which absolutely outweighs any moneys that the Nets can even think about losing him

I just don't want to turn on the TV and see less people at Continental(b itch I don't wear no Izod )(actually yes I do) then I do at a highschool game. Although, you can buy some cheap seats and wind up courtside.

That said Ratner seems to have a serious man crush on VC, and I think he will be the harder to be traded for true value.
The few teams I could see wanting him would already be contenders.

I think we would only trade him if we already traded RJ for a low lotto pick and drafted Mayo, and still had our 9-10 pick and possibly the 21-22.

Considering this team hasn't been above 19th in attendance in any of the past 6 years, I think the "impact" of fair-weather fans and disillusioned Knick fans is greatly exaggerated.

[SpeedyG]

West, Aldridge, Brand, JO. Those are the only ones remotely close to getting.

West is a very very good compliment for Paul. Not gonna happen.

Aldridge is a possibility, but I think Portland would want to see him and Oden in the frontcourt first before making a deal.

Brand, I don't see happening either. Yes, he's expiring, but I think they really like Al Thornton.

Jermaine, yeah if he's healthy, which he never is. And they seem to be playing well with MDJ at SF (plus they already have Granger), and keep in mind that we did offer them RJ and they wanted a third team to take him, so needless to say, there's no interest for RJ there.

[Pugsley_2491]

Hey SIC,

this is from DD's new article:
http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=2


One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game. "Not so much from his play, but his attitude. A lot of people think that Richard is mostly about Richard."

Another East official was more blunt: "What's the difference between him and Corey Maggette?" he riddled. "Maggette makes only $7 million a year. (Jefferson) is very good, but he's way overpaid for his talent level."

[S.I.C. GM]

Hey SIC,

this is from DD's new article:
http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=2


One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game. "Not so much from his play, but his attitude. A lot of people think that Richard is mostly about Richard."

Another East official was more blunt: "What's the difference between him and Corey Maggette?" he riddled. "Maggette makes only $7 million a year. (Jefferson) is very good, but he's way overpaid for his talent level."

Did u read this part?

It is funny how now Kidd and Jefferson are selfish and overrated players, but when we were the cream of the Eastern Conference, they werent.

Things change and there are factors we will never know about that causes these changes.

[mack69]

Hey SIC,

this is from DD's new article:
http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=2


One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game. "Not so much from his play, but his attitude. A lot of people think that Richard is mostly about Richard."

Another East official was more blunt: "What's the difference between him and Corey Maggette?" he riddled. "Maggette makes only $7 million a year. (Jefferson) is very good, but he's way overpaid for his talent level."

The fact of his salary is more interesting! RJ made out on his 2nd contract with one season on a good ROI (return on investment).

I still say he is looking for the exit.

[Jsun947]

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Aldridge is a possibility, but I think Portland would want to see him and Oden in the frontcourt first before making a deal.

You guys can forget about involving Aldridge in any trade talks. There is absolutely no way Prichard is moving him from Portland. That is a fact.

I don't see why Thorn wouldn't move Jefferson given a chance to have a decent return on him. If the franchise isn't winning then there is no reason to spend unreal amounts of money. You try to get younger and less expensive while staying competitive.

[jerseyjac]

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Did u read this part?

It is funny how now Kidd and Jefferson are selfish and overrated players, but when we were the cream of the Eastern Conference, they werent.

Things change and there are factors we will never know about that causes these changes.

+1

[MrDollarBills]

I can't see Portland trading Aldridge under any circumstances.

[deviljets7]

Hey SIC,

this is from DD's new article:
http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=2


One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game. "Not so much from his play, but his attitude. A lot of people think that Richard is mostly about Richard."

Another East official was more blunt: "What's the difference between him and Corey Maggette?" he riddled. "Maggette makes only $7 million a year. (Jefferson) is very good, but he's way overpaid for his talent level."

That official does realize that Maggette is a free agent that will be making a heck of a lot more than $7 mil next year right? Maggette WAS underpaid and I think his new contract will prove that. This seemed like an unnecessary rip on RJ.

[S.I.C. GM]

^ Both quotes are really BS.

If it is based on RJ's attitude, they are full of $hit. I like RJ's attitude. He has a swagger that no one else on this team has. We need more people like RJ on our team. Confidence goes a long way when playing sports. If people want to mistake this for a confident attitude for selfishness, they are are poor character evaluators and are in the wrong business. I wonder who these Anonymous Eastern Executives are?

[MrDollarBills]

^ Both quotes are really BS.

If it is based on RJ's attitude, they are full of $hit. I like RJ's attitude. He has a swagger that no one else on this team has. We need more people like RJ on our team. Confidence goes a long way when playing sports. If people want to mistake this for a confident attitude for selfishness, they are are poor character evaluators and are in the wrong business. I wonder who these Anonymous Eastern Executives are?

I agree, we need more people like RJ on the team, especially guys that won't play defense like a mexican bull fighter

[vincecarter4pres]

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I agree, we need more people like RJ on the team, especially guys that won't play defense like a mexican bull fighter

Eh, in their defense, Mexican bull fighters take a lot of charges.

[vincecarter4pres]

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That official does realize that Maggette is a free agent that will be making a heck of a lot more than $7 mil next year right? Maggette WAS underpaid and I think his new contract will prove that. This seemed like an unnecessary rip on RJ.

Well I guess 7 mill a year is actually pretty good for 60 games a year.

[S.I.C. GM]

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I agree, we need more people like RJ on the team, especially guys that won't play defense like a mexican bull fighter

Yeah I agree. We already have a Superstar caliber, TOP 10 Scorer in the NBA, future HOF player that plays GREAT Defense.

[mack69]

by reading the article it does give you some insight on how they were dealing with each other during the Kidd period.

anyway, It is crazy on how we are divided on the RJ & VC issue.

At first I didnt like the guy (RJ) but his improvement this year is very very impressive on the offensive side of the ball. After Kidd he was the best defender.

judging from the article it appears major changes maybe ahead. but I dont think it is going way of the complete dump that many are suggesting.