The Official Lin Net Thread

[reelsgm]

It's gonna be lin getting thrown to the wolves a lot and this team is poor all around. Given his propensity for turnovers they really could have used Tyler johnson as a second ballhandler.

Do you know anything about Lin? Have you watched any of Lin's play in the last 3 years? If you have, why in heaven's name are you regurgitating that tired, old, fallacious meme about Lin and turnovers?

LIn had the best turnovers per 36 of his entire career last season at 2.6 among the best in the league for PGs and that's 50% fewer than when he was a kid on the Knicks.

List of Injury Prone Knicks 2016-17 : Joakim Noah, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, and you better watch out for Porzingas too. Those 3 veterans have missed a combined 437 games since 2012.

[tonman]

It's gonna be lin getting thrown to the wolves a lot and this team is poor all around. Given his propensity for turnovers they really could have used Tyler johnson as a second ballhandler.

Do you know anything about Lin? Have you watched any of Lin's play in the last 3 years? If you have, why in heaven's name are you regurgitating that tired, old, fallacious meme about Lin and turnovers?

LIn had the best turnovers per 36 of his entire career last season at 2.6 among the best in the league for PGs and that's 50% fewer than when he was a kid on the Knicks.

List of Injury Prone Knicks 2016-17 : Joakim Noah, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, and you better watch out for Porzingas too. Those 3 veterans have missed a combined 437 games since 2012.

Lin played off the ball a lot so even though he's a point guard he wasn't pounding the ball. That said his careless turnovers are down and as long as he's aggressive and getting to the free throw line, the number of turnovers isn't the issue.

[Johnstarks]

His turnovers are likely gonna skyrocket now that he's had primary ballhandler with few other options

[spaceballer]

Local schools in Queens already using Jeremy Lin for fundraising

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new hairdo.

[gafun]

As a long term Lin fan, i am happy he finally got the starting pg role he deserves it. He wants to be a leader and a startup (Nets) investor. Atkinson and Nets count on him. I hope he would spend some time to practice with his new teammates this summer as Lopez has been doing. I heard he has been practicing with his own shooting coach and we know Lin has enough money to pay his coach to help him in NY. Nets still has too many issues, but the excuse for not having enough time to practice together should not be one of them.

[ChokeFasncists]

Vazquez is done in all likelihood his numbers reflect a guy on his last year in the league not someone expected to bounce back. I'd definitely wager on Foye being out of the league after this season. He looks completely washed up and only brought in as a veteran presemce. Hoenstly, I'm kinda surprised they signed him given how remarkably useless he was in both den and okc even surrounded by elite talent.

It's gonna be lin getting thrown to the wolves a lot and this team is poor all around. Given his propensity for turnovers they really could have used Tyler johnson as a second ballhandler.

If healthy, I think Vasquez and Foye should be adequate for this kinda team. There isn't a lot of minutes to go around anyways.

Last season, I said it would be nice if Lin plays the Heat every game, he'd surely improve. Well, he did great in the playoffs against them.

He has no choice but to improve, quickly. (especially on toning down the unnecessary TOs)

I like it.

[Johnstarks]

I don't really think he can improve much more unless he adds a 3pt shot to his arsenal. Ballhandling isn't something that typically magically improves this late in your career. His athleticism is the strength of his game and that will only decline as he ages.

Having a starting gig may increase his confidence and his shooting is absolutely something that can blossom late in your career. It will really define whether he moves into the upper half tier of pg. Right now he's probably in the mid 20s and there are an awful lot of pg in the pipeline who could pass him in the next few years. Fultz, smith, payne, russell, mudiay, exum, Dunn etc

[reelsgm]

I don't really think he can improve much more unless he adds a 3pt shot to his arsenal. Ballhandling isn't something that typically magically improves this late in your career. His athleticism is the strength of his game and that will only decline as he ages.

Having a starting gig may increase his confidence and his shooting is absolutely something that can blossom late in your career. It will really define whether he moves into the upper half tier of pg. Right now he's probably in the mid 20s and there are an awful lot of pg in the pipeline who could pass him in the next few years. Fultz, smith, payne, russell, mudiay, exum, Dunn etc

Can't wait to watch Lin lead a beatdown of the Knicks in pre-season. He'll rain 3s and break down the Knicks already near non-existent defense with his ballhandling.

And it's funny that most detractors say Lin isn't particular athletic but you think it's one of his strengths... nice touch.

[reelsgm]

As a long term Lin fan, i am happy he finally got the starting pg role he deserves it. He wants to be a leader and a startup (Nets) investor. Atkinson and Nets count on him. I hope he would spend some time to practice with his new teammates this summer as Lopez has been doing. I heard he has been practicing with his own shooting coach and we know Lin has enough money to pay his coach to help him in NY. Nets still has too many issues, but the excuse for not having enough time to practice together should not be one of them.

I'm confident Kenny is in-the-loop with how and what Lin wants to work on this summer. If Kenny, who has a 5 yr relationship with Lin, is fine with it then I certainly am. Plenty of time in training camp and the days ahead to practice together.

[Johnstarks]

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And it's funny that most detractors say Lin isn't particular athletic but you think it's one of his strengths... nice touch.[/quote]

Saying lin isn't athletic is ridiculous it's clearly the strength of his game along with his combination of size. He doesn't use killer crossovers or moves to get to the rim. He doesn't shoot well enough to make defenders glue to him. Hes just freaking fast and he goes north /south once he turns the corner on a pick as well as about any pg. He uses the size to get to the ft line a lot and he's got great numbers around the hoop because he's too big for most point guards. If you notice most of his finishes around the basket are not really highlight material. That's because he makes those drives look fairly routine due to his athleticism advantage

And the knicks defense should be pretty good with porzingis, noah, and lee. It's the offense that will struggle

[reelsgm]

And it's funny that most detractors say Lin isn't particular athletic but you think it's one of his strengths... nice touch.

Saying lin isn't athletic is ridiculous it's clearly the strength of his game along with his combination of size. He doesn't use killer crossovers or moves to get to the rim. He doesn't shoot well enough to make defenders glue to him. Hes just freaking fast and he goes north /south once he turns the corner on a pick as well as about any pg. He uses the size to get to the ft line a lot and he's got great numbers around the hoop because he's too big for most point guards. If you notice most of his finishes around the basket are not really highlight material. That's because he makes those drives look fairly routine due to his athleticism advantage

And the knicks defense should be pretty good with porzingis, noah, and lee. It's the offense that will struggle

You sure post a lot on the Charlotte Hornets board.

[spaceballer]

As a long term Lin fan, i am happy he finally got the starting pg role he deserves it. He wants to be a leader and a startup (Nets) investor. Atkinson and Nets count on him. I hope he would spend some time to practice with his new teammates this summer as Lopez has been doing. I heard he has been practicing with his own shooting coach and we know Lin has enough money to pay his coach to help him in NY. Nets still has too many issues, but the excuse for not having enough time to practice together should not be one of them.

Part of it may be logistics. I think there was a tweet recently of him shopping for stuff and preparing for the relocation to Brooklyn. I imagine he has to get his ducks in a row (find a place, get the legal work done whether renting or buying, schedule movers, pack up boxes, etc.).

So while all that is being planned and executed, he might as well stay in Cali to complete his uninterrupted training sessions with his current shooting coach.

Here are some tweets about him getting stuff together to prepare for his relocation to Brooklyn, and a quote from his shooting coach.

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It seems he's out there in Cali with Doc Scheppler and former Nets shooting coach David Nurse. (It would probably be awkward for Nurse to be back in HSSTC after Marks released him. So if Jeremy is working with Nurse, better to keep that out in Cali).

So it's not like he can jump on a plane tomorrow and come to Brooklyn and bring Doc and Nurse with him into practice. Especially if he doesn't have a place to stay set up yet and will have to find a short term fix not just for himself but for his shooting coaches as well.

He was in the HSSTC earlier prior to the media presser, and I'm sure he'll be in Brooklyn again once he's got all the logistics worked out for his relocation. No reason not to work on his shot out in Cali in the meantime, while being with his family.

Atkinson has been out there in Cali training with Jeremy before, in the off-season post-Linsanity. So he knows the rigorous off-season training schedule that JLin keeps. I don't think he skips a single day of practice, not even when he's doing his Asia tour (always tries to schedule gym time at a nearby court, even paid for his shooting coach to travel with him overseas) or on a family vacation in Iceland (Icelanders took a pic of him exiting or entering a gym in the parking lot with a pair of practice shoes in his hands) or even on the morning of his trainer's wedding (talked about how he was doing defensive slides in the driveway while everyone was getting dressed upstairs in the house in Hawaii ). Even when he filmed Space Jam 3, Ryan Higa made sure it only took up half a day for JLin so that he had time left over for other things like training.

[Johnstarks]

And it's funny that most detractors say Lin isn't particular athletic but you think it's one of his strengths... nice touch.

Saying lin isn't athletic is ridiculous it's clearly the strength of his game along with his combination of size. He doesn't use killer crossovers or moves to get to the rim. He doesn't shoot well enough to make defenders glue to him. Hes just freaking fast and he goes north /south once he turns the corner on a pick as well as about any pg. He uses the size to get to the ft line a lot and he's got great numbers around the hoop because he's too big for most point guards. If you notice most of his finishes around the basket are not really highlight material. That's because he makes those drives look fairly routine due to his athleticism advantage

And the knicks defense should be pretty good with porzingis, noah, and lee. It's the offense that will struggle

You sure post a lot on the Charlotte Hornets board.

I post a lot on whatever boards are active. Knicks, pistons, nba draft, horNets, kings, warriors, bulls. I like talking basket ball. Mostly I post wherever people quote me because I get a notification that someone responded but I did live in nc some growing up so I always liked the hornets.

The knicks board here is weird they talk mostly about gossip and politics. And there are a lot of casual fans so the discussions are much less nuanced than on other boards. Mostly just hyping rose and Noah signings. Im more interested in discussing good teams or teams building a future like philly , twolves, nuggets, etc. Knicks are neither right now

[reelsgm]

You sure post a lot on the Charlotte Hornets board.

I post a lot on whatever boards are active. Knicks, pistons, nba draft, horNets, kings, bulls. I like talking basket ball

Yeah I got a new account too, and I like talking the Nets.

Thank god Lin is off that Hornets team, amirite? Lin led a bench that dug their starters out of 11 double digit holes in the regular season and almost never gave up a lead when his bench was on the floor. Lin won the games against tough opponents that mattered, but the other guys were good at beating the weak teams.

Hornets are back into being the dumpster fire whence they came and most sports pundits agree. 3 key starters had career break-outs, they are all falling back this season and would not be shocked if they reprise their 33-49 the season before Lin. MKG can't hit the side of a barn with his jumpshot, yet they believe he is their savior.

Nets make the playoffs and Hornets miss, how fitting.

[haoafu]

I'm a fan of Lin, but I'm more willing to accept his high TO's as long as he has all-around good game. There're stars(WB/Harden) who are great players while being TO machine. A lesser version is still pretty good.

[Prokorov]

I'm a fan of Lin, but I'm more willing to accept his high TO's as long as he has all-around good game. There're stars(WB/Harden) who are great players while being TO machine. A lesser version is still pretty good.

turnovers in a vaccuum are useless. turnovers arent an issue if you dominant and influence pace and and are a huge positive with offensive efficieny. as you mentioned, westbrook and harden. both turn it over, both are top 5 offensive players and top 5 on court impact

[hood30]

It's gonna be lin getting thrown to the wolves a lot and this team is poor all around. Given his propensity for turnovers they really could have used Tyler johnson as a second ballhandler.

Do you know anything about Lin? Have you watched any of Lin's play in the last 3 years? If you have, why in heaven's name are you regurgitating that tired, old, fallacious meme about Lin and turnovers?

LIn had the best turnovers per 36 of his entire career last season at 2.6 among the best in the league for PGs and that's 50% fewer than when he was a kid on the Knicks.

List of Injury Prone Knicks 2016-17 : Joakim Noah, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, and you better watch out for Porzingas too. Those 3 veterans have missed a combined 437 games since 2012.

As Lin fan, we should be very careful about Lin's turnover stats and suggest he's clearly improved in that area.

While it is true Lin has decreased his turnover per36 from last year Hornets to his previous year, you still can claim the only reason Lin turnover dropped was simply because he handled the ball less and played less PG.

In other word, it is fair for Lin's distractors to claim he only improved on his turnovers rate because he played most of his minutes as a SG while guys like Kemba/Batum handled more.

To deepen that point, if you look at NylonCalculous which splits Lin's minutes at PG and SG, you will see that Lin as a "PG per36 turnover" is still high at 3.6....Now, compare that to Kemba PG-Per36 which is only 2.0.....

So Lin still had a very high turnover rate at PG than other PG.

So basically, if Lin had started and played most of his minutes at PG, his turnovers would had most likely risen..His per36 "at PG" shows it at 3.6.

Lin will always probably have higher turnover rate than many top PG because his ball-handling is not as strong and he takes a lot of risk by driving in crowded areas thus risking the ball being stripped from him.

You simply have to take the good and the bad when it comes to Lin and hope he gives you more positives than negatives.

[Johnstarks]

It's gonna be lin getting thrown to the wolves a lot and this team is poor all around. Given his propensity for turnovers they really could have used Tyler johnson as a second ballhandler.

Do you know anything about Lin? Have you watched any of Lin's play in the last 3 years? If you have, why in heaven's name are you regurgitating that tired, old, fallacious meme about Lin and turnovers?

LIn had the best turnovers per 36 of his entire career last season at 2.6 among the best in the league for PGs and that's 50% fewer than when he was a kid on the Knicks.

List of Injury Prone Knicks 2016-17 : Joakim Noah, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, and you better watch out for Porzingas too. Those 3 veterans have missed a combined 437 games since 2012.

As Lin fan, we should be very careful about Lin's turnover stats and suggest he's clearly improved in that area.

While it is true Lin has decreased his turnover per36 from last year Hornets to his previous year, you still can claim the only reason Lin turnover dropped was simply because he handled the ball less and played less PG.

In other word, it is fair for Lin's distractors to claim he only improved on his turnovers rate because he played most of his minutes as a SG while guys like Kemba/Batum handled more.

To deepen that point, if you look at NylonCalculous which splits Lin's minutes at PG and SG, you will see that Lin as a "PG per36 turnover" is still high at 3.6....Now, compare that to Kemba PG-Per36 which is only 2.0.....

So Lin still had a very high turnover rate at PG than other PG.

So basically, if Lin had started and played most of his minutes at PG, his turnovers would had most likely risen..His per36 "at PG" shows it at 3.6.

Lin will always probably have higher turnover rate than many top PG because his ball-handling is not as strong and he takes a lot of risk by driving in crowded areas thus risking the ball being stripped from him.

You simply have to take the good and the bad when it comes to Lin and hope he gives you more positives than negatives.

Correct. And my point is this is a rough roster for any pg to deal with but it will particularly expose some of lins flaws. He really needs caris levert to get healthy. He's the kind of guy that could remove a lot of pressure off lin.

[jbeachboy]

did anyone want rondo or a different point guard besides jeremy lin? i was ok with either way they wanted to go. i was hyped about lin cause i remember how he transformed that knicks team when he got to run the show.