2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Prokorov]

If Ingles gets signed, most likely Levert moves to bench and Ingles starts at PF only against certain matchups (IE weak skinny PFs).

Next question is, what kind of contract will it take to sign Ingles and also whether ingles at say 16-18 mil is worth more than Porter at 24-25 mil a year. Contract length will be the same of course.

Its hard, if only Ingles had a coupla more inches or 10-15 more pounds, he just doesnt have the stature to be banging against true PFs, much like how RHJ has issues with big PFs.

Ingles can sure stretch the floor and has more utility than JJ at least. Ingles is a good Plan C option in my mind (Plan A Milsap haha Plan B Gallinari Plan C Ingles), but if he can stick at PF, he's a great option.

i dont like the fit with ingles... 30 years old and costing 15-20 million. he does alot but i dont think he moves the needle. for as great as he shot he wasnt very productive

[DarkXaero]

I think at this point, we should seriously consider making Gallinari a big two year type offer, even if its overpay. He's a guy who can play both 3 and 4 due to his size, and he's probably the best player we could realistically get at this point.

Gallo misses way too much time to justify paying him a dime

We've been over this, he has averaged about ~62 games/season over the past 4 seasons. That's not great but it's not that awful either. A 2 year deal wouldn't hurt us much cap flexibility wise. After a year, he would become a big expiring contract and can be used for salary dumps/assets. It could work to our advantage either way.

[Prokorov]

Please just sign McLemore instead of throwing an obscene amount of money on KCP.

As for bigs, we could offer something to Nene as a vet coming off the bench. His contract with Houston was not valid.

id rather give KCP a billion dollars then give mclemore a rusty penny.

mclemore is TRASH

[DarkXaero]

If Ingles gets signed, most likely Levert moves to bench and Ingles starts at PF only against certain matchups (IE weak skinny PFs).

Next question is, what kind of contract will it take to sign Ingles and also whether ingles at say 16-18 mil is worth more than Porter at 24-25 mil a year. Contract length will be the same of course.

Its hard, if only Ingles had a coupla more inches or 10-15 more pounds, he just doesnt have the stature to be banging against true PFs, much like how RHJ has issues with big PFs.

Ingles can sure stretch the floor and has more utility than JJ at least. Ingles is a good Plan C option in my mind (Plan A Milsap haha Plan B Gallinari Plan C Ingles), but if he can stick at PF, he's a great option.

i dont like the fit with ingles... 30 years old and costing 15-20 million. he does alot but i dont think he moves the needle. for as great as he shot he wasnt very productive

I think Ingles as a fit is fine but it's like you said, he's not that productive and won't do much for us. He's a really solid role player though who can shoot the 3 with high efficiency, plays smart and also a decent defender. But ultimately for what it would take for him to get here ($15-20 mill), he is not productive enough for that. He's also already hitting 30 so there's no real upside there.

[Prokorov]

Woj reporting that were still looking for salary dumps.

I love that strategy.

Would way rather have first round picks then throwing the max at KCP.

What about Tyson Chandler and then we try and get someone like Alex Len from Phoenix

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pheonix is looking to take on bad salary. they wont be dumping

[Paradise]

I would do that in a heartbeat.

I don't get the feeling that Phoenix wants to dump Chandler though.

How much money do you guys want to have locked into the center spot?

Well we have like no Power Forwards. I'd just play some of those guys there.

But I just looked at Chandler's contract and have changed my mind lol. Not worth it for Alex Len.

Trevor Booker?


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[Prokorov]

I think at this point, we should seriously consider making Gallinari a big two year type offer, even if its overpay. He's a guy who can play both 3 and 4 due to his size, and he's probably the best player we could realistically get at this point.

Gallo misses way too much time to justify paying him a dime

We've been over this, he has averaged about ~62 games/season over the past 4 seasons. That's not great but it's not that awful either. A 2 year deal wouldn't hurt us much cap flexibility wise. After a year, he would become a big expiring contract and can be used for salary dumps/assets. It could work to our advantage either way.

Gallinari has 100% NOT averaged anything close to 62 games the past 4 seasons. in fact he played over 62 games just once during that span.

16-17: 63
15-16: 59
14-15: 53
13-14: ZER0

and his injuries go back way more then 4 years. the prior 4 years he played 71, 43, 14, 48 games respectively.

that IS awful from a health/missed games perspective. it makes no sense to sign him from a short or long term perspective.

unless he wants to take liek 2/24 with the second year a team option then no thanks

[Prokorov]

For me its:

Olynk (26, spaces the floor, can play the 4 or 5, ok defender, wouldnt break the bank)
Patterson (28, local kid, spaces the floor, solid defender, wouldnt break the bank)
Porter (50/50 on him still but wouldnt hate it)

There is no way james johnson leaves miami. so he isnt on my list. i laos think heyward doesnt leave miami without a deal. riley is a persuasive dude.

dont want ingles, gallanari or THJ/KCP

would love an unexpected trade that gets us a 23-26 year old player

[Mosdefinition]

What about Tyson Chandler and then we try and get someone like Alex Len from Phoenix

I would do that in a heartbeat.

I don't get the feeling that Phoenix wants to dump Chandler though.

How much money do you guys want to have locked into the center spot?

This team needs players pluswe have a ton of guards and wing players

[Mosdefinition]

Woj reporting that were still looking for salary dumps.

I love that strategy.

Would way rather have first round picks then throwing the max at KCP.

What about Tyson Chandler and then we try and get someone like Alex Len from Phoenix

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pheonix is looking to take on bad salary. they wont be dumping

I'm just looking over rosters with young players and really bad contracts

I'm not opposed to rolling the cap space over another year though

But I think the East is going to be awful and this team if they play it right could compete for the right to get swept by LeBron in the first round

[MrDollarBills]

^^^hahahaha nope. not one bit

THJr seems like a chucker type.

[MGrand15]

Wouldn't mind Gallo at all on a 2 year deal. It's a gamble on his health but he's really talented and can play the 4. When he played, he was great last year.

[Ror1997]

Maybe Pelicans trade Solomon Hill + 2019 first for Nicholson + Harris + Skil? Pelicans could use Skil as a combo guard and need a wing so Harris is good.

And then of course, there's Crabbe. After Ingles, Crabbe might be the best available 3 point shooter. It's important to surround DLo with capable shooters. Laker fans say DLo was good at getting the ball to Swaggy P for catch and shoot threes, and Crabbe (even if he can't develop into anything more) proved with the blazers he's a good catch and shoot player. Plus, his contract expires at the same time as LeVerts rookie deal.

[DarkXaero]

Gallo misses way too much time to justify paying him a dime

We've been over this, he has averaged about ~62 games/season over the past 4 seasons. That's not great but it's not that awful either. A 2 year deal wouldn't hurt us much cap flexibility wise. After a year, he would become a big expiring contract and can be used for salary dumps/assets. It could work to our advantage either way.

Gallinari has 100% NOT averaged anything close to 62 games the past 4 seasons. in fact he played over 62 games just once during that span.

16-17: 63
15-16: 59
14-15: 53
13-14: ZER0

and his injuries go back way more then 4 years. the prior 4 years he played 71, 43, 14, 48 games respectively.

that IS awful from a health/missed games perspective. it makes no sense to sign him from a short or long term perspective.

unless he wants to take liek 2/24 with the second year a team option then no thanks

I mean the last 4 seasons that he has played. Either way, an average of 61 games over the past couple seasons. You're delusional with your valuation of Gallo's market value. A 2 year high salary deal is beneficial to us. When he's healthy and on the court, he would help us a lot. In the 2nd year, he would turn into a huge expiring contract that could be used in a salary dump/assets trade, similar to Mozgov/D'Angelo Russell.

[Prokorov]

Wouldn't mind Gallo at all on a 2 year deal. It's a gamble on his health but he's really talented and can play the 4. When he played, he was great last year.

whats the upside with him? he plays 60 games and we win 33 games instead of 29?

super hard pass on gallo unless he basically comes for peanuts

[Prokorov]

Maybe Pelicans trade Solomon Hill + 2019 first for Nicholson + Harris + Skil? Pelicans could use Skil as a combo guard and need a wing so Harris is good.

And then of course, there's Crabbe. After Ingles, Crabbe might be the best available 3 point shooter. It's important to surround DLo with capable shooters. Laker fans say DLo was good at getting the ball to Swaggy P for catch and shoot threes, and Crabbe (even if he can't develop into anything more) proved with the blazers he's a good catch and shoot player. Plus, his contract expires at the same time as LeVerts rookie deal.

what does that accomplish for the pelicans?

crabbe doesnt provide a ton of spacing despite his percentages. he is strictly stand still catch and shoot and is easily run off the 3 point line cause he is no thread to beat you off the driblle

[Prokorov]

We've been over this, he has averaged about ~62 games/season over the past 4 seasons. That's not great but it's not that awful either. A 2 year deal wouldn't hurt us much cap flexibility wise. After a year, he would become a big expiring contract and can be used for salary dumps/assets. It could work to our advantage either way.

Gallinari has 100% NOT averaged anything close to 62 games the past 4 seasons. in fact he played over 62 games just once during that span.

16-17: 63
15-16: 59
14-15: 53
13-14: ZER0

and his injuries go back way more then 4 years. the prior 4 years he played 71, 43, 14, 48 games respectively.

that IS awful from a health/missed games perspective. it makes no sense to sign him from a short or long term perspective.

unless he wants to take liek 2/24 with the second year a team option then no thanks

I mean the last 4 seasons that he has played. Either way, an average of 61 games over the past couple seasons. You're delusional with your valuation of Gallo's market value. A 2 year high salary deal is beneficial to us. When he's healthy and on the court, he would help us a lot. In the 2nd year, he would turn into a huge expiring contract that could be used in a salary dump/assets trade, similar to Mozgov/D'Angelo Russell.

wait wait wait.... your not going to factor in a year he missed the enitre season due to injury in a discussion about his injury history/likelyhood?

what sense does that make? would you have factored it in if he played 1 game instead of 0?

[Mkdaman1818]

I've got a gut feeling that we're going to try and acquire crabbe and a 2018 1st for one or a combination of Kilpatrick/Harris/Nicholson (remember, we have no first rounders next year).

[Ror1997]

What if the Nuggets sign Millsap? They're going to then look for a PG. Maybe they'll package Chandler+ Faried+ Gary Harris to dump salary and sign Lowry.

Speaking of Lowry. If he leaves Toronto and Toronto goes young (like was being reported) is DeRozan available in a salary dump?

[Ror1997]

Maybe Pelicans trade Solomon Hill + 2019 first for Nicholson + Harris + Skil? Pelicans could use Skil as a combo guard and need a wing so Harris is good.

And then of course, there's Crabbe. After Ingles, Crabbe might be the best available 3 point shooter. It's important to surround DLo with capable shooters. Laker fans say DLo was good at getting the ball to Swaggy P for catch and shoot threes, and Crabbe (even if he can't develop into anything more) proved with the blazers he's a good catch and shoot player. Plus, his contract expires at the same time as LeVerts rookie deal.

what does that accomplish for the pelicans?

crabbe doesnt provide a ton of spacing despite his percentages. he is strictly stand still catch and shoot and is easily run off the 3 point line cause he is no thread to beat you off the driblle

Pelicans are paying Holiday, Cousins, and Davis 65 million, and have a very poor wing rotation. They can one average wing making 11 mil a year for 2 average wings making a combined 3 mil. It does exactly for the pelicans as you would expect it to do. Cut salary.

As for Crabbe being a catch and shoot player, I already talked about that.