2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[They_Them_Hatin]

I really like Levert. Glad you guys didn't waste money on KCP. Rich Paul is so dumb for turning down 5/80. Cali has a 14% tax vs Michigan 4% so it really isn't that big of a difference from what he would make in Detroit. Can't see him making 16 million on his next contract.

[brook]

I like the idea of being non-aggressive.

To me the perfect scenario is absorb Aldrich for the OKC 1st and don't give out anything else this summer unless it's a 1 year deal for 1 or 2 glue guys/vet leaders with some actual on court value once every last bit of space dries up and there's a guy or 2 who have no other options.

i dont like the aldridge move. id want a better asset then the okc pick. im cool with salary dumps, but at this point the cap space needs to come at a premium

Aldrich is a one year, 7 million dump. Next year is guaranteed for only 2 millions.

Yeah the OKC pick isn't awesome, but is a first pick.

Miami has dumped McRoberts's contract to Dallas, 6,5 millions in dead money, beacuse McRobert is a former player, only for cash consideration and a 2023 second round.

Aldrich will be useful for us, maybe 10 minutes per game if Allen isn't ready for the NBA at start of the season. When Jarrett is ready, Aldrich will be move to the end of the bench without problems.

[Antti22]

Not disappointed by the KCP situation at all. Would have been cool to add on more talent, but kind of meh. As he would have probably hampered a bit of D-Lo and LeVert progress by taking away some of their minutes, so it probably is for the better.
On to the next ones. I would even be excited by saving the cap space, so in my eyes, we can do no wrong, lol.

Its weird to say that I would like saving the cap space as I have always been against all that crap. If we show any kind of improvement and young guys improve their games enough, we could be big players in the FA market next off-season or the next one after that. There wont be much of a competition and the public perception is starting to come around and portraying us as a up-and-coming team rather than a dumpster fire like the Knicks. Hopeful that our young core can make atleast a +10 win improvement on last season, that should be the positive we need.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Marks made the right decision on this move.

KCP was only looking for a 20 million a year contract. That was obvious. Either that or he was gonna do a 1 year deal for the Lakers.

People forget how valuable cap space is.

If we were to take on a contract like that we would not be in the market for better free agents down the line.

We already took on salary dumps. Just wait till the deadline. There will be even better deals then.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Also KCP is not that young. Hes 24.

When was the last time you saw a huge turnaround by a player that age. He is what he is.

I'm not going to invest 20 million a year into someone that Pistons fans refer to as "brick machine." Sorry.

The modern NBA is all about shooting. We need to develop our backcourt of Russell and LeVert. No room for KCP to take dumb shots.

I predict hes going to be pretty bad on the Lakers. The West is a different animal.

[Mosdefinition]

Also KCP is not that young. Hes 24.

When was the last time you saw a huge turnaround by a player that age. He is what he is.

I'm not going to invest 20 million a year into someone that Pistons fans refer to as "brick machine." Sorry.

The modern NBA is all about shooting. We need to develop our backcourt of Russell and LeVert. No room for KCP to take dumb shots.

I predict hes going to be pretty bad on the Lakers. The West is a different animal.

When did 24 become old allot of guys take leaps after that age

Not that I'm saying he's one of them

[Hello Brooklyn]

Also KCP is not that young. Hes 24.

When was the last time you saw a huge turnaround by a player that age. He is what he is.

I'm not going to invest 20 million a year into someone that Pistons fans refer to as "brick machine." Sorry.

The modern NBA is all about shooting. We need to develop our backcourt of Russell and LeVert. No room for KCP to take dumb shots.

I predict hes going to be pretty bad on the Lakers. The West is a different animal.

When did 24 become old allot of guys take leaps after that age

Not that I'm saying he's one of them

I didn't say he can't take a leap. I said hes not going to change the type of player he is.

Hes good defensively with the possibility of being great, and hes an absolutely terrible shooter in a league dominated by shooting.

That's not worth the investment to me.

We already have a bad shooter/good defender in RHJ. Having two in the starting lineup isn't a wise gamble.

[13th Man]

Marks made the right decision on this move.

KCP was only looking for a 20 million a year contract. That was obvious. Either that or he was gonna do a 1 year deal for the Lakers.

People forget how valuable cap space is.

If we were to take on a contract like that we would not be in the market for better free agents down the line.

We already took on salary dumps. Just wait till the deadline. There will be even better deals then.

Agreed. The Nets are not out of the woods yet in terms of replenishing lost draft picks. Having cap space is going to be a huge luxury that very few teams have so this will be coveted to hold onto.

I think some fans tend to forget that the Nets are rebuilding, the future of the team is not now, it's when they start to get their "real" draft picks back in 2019 and forward. Imo, an ideal scenario for the Nets is to suck for another couple of years, hoping to land a nice lottery pick in a stacked 2019 draft containing Bagley Jr, RJ Barrett (re-classify), Zion Williamson, Moses Brown, Bol Bol, Antetokounmpo etc.

The Nets culture would have been transformed by then so that big names will want to come here as well. What Billy King did will not be rectified so easily. Marks is doing the right thing imo, the Nets need to look more down the road and take advantage of really good opportunities along the way. I'm not convinced that KCP at 20M is a great opportunity.

[Prokorov]

Nets manage to dodge a toxic bullet with KCP, him and rich paul can suck a fat one. Now Nets can focus on the real treat, the 2018 rfa class. Or just take a bunch of bad contracts for draft picks so they can reload in 2019 draft all at once.

how exactly is 1 year 18 million dodging a bullet? Crabbe and porter getting matched was dodging bullets.

KCP got 9 million less then proter on 3 less years. that would have been a great contract for us. a prove it contract for a 24 year old 2 way player.

[Prokorov]

Yeah, I'm with the rest of you guys. We either got him or we don't use the cap space. I was fine either way.

im not convinced we dont use the cap space though. i can see some horrible like 4/44 deal for jaymichael green or something or mirotic or ilyasova or ... ugh... simmons

[Prokorov]

Yeah, I'm with the rest of you guys. We either got him or we don't use the cap space. I was fine either way.

im not convinced we dont use the cap space though. i can see some horrible like 4/44 deal for jaymichael green or something or mirotic or ilyasova or ... ugh... simmons

i have 0 faith in marks in free agency. he drastically overpaid young role wings, then passed on the one that accepted a 1 year deal on reasonable money

[13th Man]

Nets manage to dodge a toxic bullet with KCP, him and rich paul can suck a fat one. Now Nets can focus on the real treat, the 2018 rfa class. Or just take a bunch of bad contracts for draft picks so they can reload in 2019 draft all at once.

how exactly is 1 year 18 million dodging a bullet? Crabbe and porter getting matched was dodging bullets.

KCP got 9 million less then proter on 3 less years. that would have been a great contract for us. a prove it contract for a 24 year old 2 way player.

That's assuming that KCP would have signed here for 1 year 18M, not likely if he's yielded the same opportunity by the Lakers. Realistically, I think we would have had to offer 4/80 to get him.

[Rich Rane]

Yeah, I'm with the rest of you guys. We either got him or we don't use the cap space. I was fine either way.

im not convinced we dont use the cap space though. i can see some horrible like 4/44 deal for jaymichael green or something or mirotic or ilyasova or ... ugh... simmons

And that's a noteworthy worry. That said, I would hope Nets don't splurge here.

[Prokorov]

I'm glad we got some clearance on the KCP situation. Rich Paul must be a moron or LeBron is a lock to join. I'd rather have my client on a 4 Yr / 15m deal than 1 Yr/18m but whatever.

Now, it's either Green gets an offer sheet or we look to sign vets to 1 Yr or 1 + 1 deal.

Btw, all vets aren't created equal. We could sign guys like Gerald Green, Jerebko to 2 Yr deals. Not all vets should be assumed as old retreads. You'd have to choose to want to sign or pursue a Tomy Allen, Sefelosha, Illyasova because the benefit of signing them is letting them play, develop some relationships with the young kids and then the opportunity to deal them at the deadline.


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to me green or jerebko would be awful moves. both 30-31 and dont move the needle. why not just keep who we have instead of tying up cap space on guys who dont move the needle?

[Prokorov]

I don't get all the love for Green on this thread, id much rather keep the 10mil, run with what we've got and go after Jabari next offseason

Only move I'd be making now is a salary dump for a decent asset. And not Ryan Anderson

agreed. if green was maybe 23 or 24 id give him alook. id rather keep the cap at this point.

only thing im using cap on right now is a salary dump

[Prokorov]

I'm glad we got some clearance on the KCP situation. Rich Paul must be a moron or LeBron is a lock to join. I'd rather have my client on a 4 Yr / 15m deal than 1 Yr/18m but whatever.

Now, it's either Green gets an offer sheet or we look to sign vets to 1 Yr or 1 + 1 deal.

Btw, all vets aren't created equal. We could sign guys like Gerald Green, Jerebko to 2 Yr deals. Not all vets should be assumed as old retreads. You'd have to choose to want to sign or pursue a Tomy Allen, Sefelosha, Illyasova because the benefit of signing them is letting them play, develop some relationships with the young kids and then the opportunity to deal them at the deadline.


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I think they're crazy. I would have opted for security. Nothing is promised.

oh well. i can't say that i'm not disappointed.

that 4/60 offer will be there next year... he kind of got screwed by not being a UFA until late in free agency. a 4/80 offer or better is waiting for him next season. playing next to lonzo ball and off ball should help. he is probably more recovered from injury as well. if he has a bounceback year he could cash in

[Ror1997]

Also KCP is not that young. Hes 24.

When was the last time you saw a huge turnaround by a player that age. He is what he is.

[uballer]

Nets manage to dodge a toxic bullet with KCP, him and rich paul can suck a fat one. Now Nets can focus on the real treat, the 2018 rfa class. Or just take a bunch of bad contracts for draft picks so they can reload in 2019 draft all at once.

how exactly is 1 year 18 million dodging a bullet? Crabbe and porter getting matched was dodging bullets.

KCP got 9 million less then proter on 3 less years. that would have been a great contract for us. a prove it contract for a 24 year old 2 way player.

1. 1 year 18 million is a lot of money.
2. KCP is not a 2-way player.

[Prokorov]

We've trusted Marks's judgment so far, no reason to question him now. IMO, he made the right decision. I'm fine with giving time to Skil, Harris, Goodwin, and Whitehead though I think KCP could've excelled in this system. I don't see him improving that much in the Lakers system unless Ball and Walton are really transformative.

I woudlnt say thats true. i think several of us trust marks everywhere but free agency,

I'm not going to make a huge stink on KCP. not the end of the world but i do think KCP on a 1/18 deal would have really been a great signing for us.

I'm good rolling over cap space. im nervous that wont happen.

[Prokorov]

I like the idea of being non-aggressive.

To me the perfect scenario is absorb Aldrich for the OKC 1st and don't give out anything else this summer unless it's a 1 year deal for 1 or 2 glue guys/vet leaders with some actual on court value once every last bit of space dries up and there's a guy or 2 who have no other options.

i dont like the aldridge move. id want a better asset then the okc pick. im cool with salary dumps, but at this point the cap space needs to come at a premium

Aldrich is a one year, 7 million dump. Next year is guaranteed for only 2 millions.

Yeah the OKC pick isn't awesome, but is a first pick.

Miami has dumped McRoberts's contract to Dallas, 6,5 millions in dead money, beacuse McRobert is a former player, only for cash consideration and a 2023 second round.

Aldrich will be useful for us, maybe 10 minutes per game if Allen isn't ready for the NBA at start of the season. When Jarrett is ready, Aldrich will be move to the end of the bench without problems.

to me the asset isnt worth it. id rather take on a worse contract for more money with a better asset aattached