Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade; UPDATE: KD wants Sean Marks/Nash fired - Shams

[Paradise]

If they stay and we run it back with Simmons finally and a healthy roster.

You will like it and deal with it.

This franchise hasn’t earned any entitlement awards to be demanding what we like or what we don’t like with such a high esteem. We go back to a laughingstock franchise once the losses pile up in years. The entire basketball world right now is on our side based on the actions of KD AND Kyrie which says enough if they are allegedly working it out now.

If they can come to a common ground and understanding, this could be the best thing to happen for the franchise. I think both are capable of returning and playing elite level basketball. If that means delivering a Finals run and leaving next year, so be it but if they do return. I’m not going to be mad.

Some point, nets fans need to act like some big boys and pull up the pants. The Spurs would’ve gladly accepted Kawhi back despite his LA antics before the Toronto trade.

If there’s a possibility of working and smoothing things over temporarily or long term, I am all ears and that’s what big market franchises with HOF talent does.

I think the public perception and the amount of vitriol that has come out from all side of this situation should be enough to build on in a positive direction because there is virtually no team capable of matching the offers we want and Kyrie and KD knows, they are a better team today than half of the teams each could be traded too.

I also don’t believe their families want this to end poorly either. There’s a lot in play for both sides but I don’t get the idea that this can’t be undone. It doesn’t mean we agree or change our stance in terms of options.

[MGrand15]

No chance I do the Pelicans trade without Herb Jones. I like Dyson Daniels but the guy has A LOT of work to do to even be a rotation player in the league. We're talking about a guy who shot 25% from 3 in the G League. A guy who's not a huge athlete. There's a world where he turns into Frank Ntilikina. Ingram needs to come with another young established guy.

[vincecarter4pres]

Ingram, Holmes and picks is a good trade for both sides.

[Netaman]

Ingram, Holmes and picks is a good trade for both sides.

holmes? you mean jones?

[NinjaBro]

We'll toss in Drake too if OG, Trent and picks isn't enough for you guys.

[TheNetsFan]

Windrem is becoming doom & gloom. He says his sources are saying there is no way that KD or Irving will be back, and that expectations should be lowered in terms of the "haul." A lot of emphasis on KD's injury history.

[NetsWorld]

We'll toss in Drake too if OG, Trent and picks isn't enough for you guys.

Stop talking you are a GM dude. Let the GM's figure that **** out. No matter what, I cannot see the NETS FO taking anything back without the RAPTORS FO including Barnes. But I am not going to play GM like you; get a life.

[NetsWorld]

Windrem is becoming doom & gloom. He says his sources are saying there is no way that KD or Irving will be back, and that expectations should be lowered in terms of the "haul." A lot of emphasis on KD's injury history.

Tell Bob to stick it; he is wrong and operates concurrently with the MSM; he is clueless and always acts surprised when the Nets FO does the opposite of what he says. KD/Kai WILL BE back and as confirmed by ScoopB, who is linked to Kyrie, discussions were had with their two stars and they are trying to hash stuff out. But they are also talking about potential trades in case something they can't pass up comes by.

[Netaman]

Windrem is becoming doom & gloom. He says his sources are saying there is no way that KD or Irving will be back, and that expectations should be lowered in terms of the "haul." A lot of emphasis on KD's injury history.

I honestly don't have an issue with the original phoenix offer if all else fails - Ayton, Bridges, Cam, all the picks. It works on this trade machine and gets the nets under the apron (https://i.ibb.co/7yRDk6Z/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-7-6-2022-12-44-16-PM.png). 1 or 2 picks go to IND in this deal since they take Westbrook.

Marks has filled the roster up enough that the hard cap doesn't even really matter if they can get under it, unless there's some big negative i'm missing. Even if they lose an exception who cares? Without KD they wouldn't be 1 piece away and if ever there's a year to not care it's this one since they are likely going to keep their own draft pick.

Simmons / Patty / Sumner
Curry / Warren
O'Neale / Harris / Edwards
Bridges / Johnson
Ayton / Claxton / Sharpe

everyone around Simmons can hit a shot. the 2nd unit is legit. Patty, Warren, Harris, Johnson, Claxton is a legitimate 5.

hire a real head coach and let's go.

[TheNetsFan]

Windrem is becoming doom & gloom. He says his sources are saying there is no way that KD or Irving will be back, and that expectations should be lowered in terms of the "haul." A lot of emphasis on KD's injury history.

I honestly don't have an issue with the original phoenix offer if all else fails - Ayton, Bridges, Cam, all the picks. It works on this trade machine and gets the nets under the apron (https://i.ibb.co/7yRDk6Z/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-7-6-2022-12-44-16-PM.png). 1 or 2 picks go to IND in this deal since they take Westbrook.

Marks has filled the roster up enough that the hard cap doesn't even really matter if they can get under it, unless there's some big negative i'm missing. Even if they lose an exception who cares? Without KD they wouldn't be 1 piece away and if ever there's a year to not care it's this one since they are likely going to keep their own draft pick.

Simmons / Patty / Sumner
Curry / Warren
O'Neale / Harris / Edwards
Bridges / Johnson
Ayton / Claxton / Sharpe

everyone around Simmons can hit a shot. the 2nd unit is legit. Patty, Warren, Harris, Johnson, Claxton is a legitimate 5.

hire a real head coach and let's go.

I don't disagree. The Suns package is a likely double, and a triple if Ayton actually signs for less than the max. Of course Ayton on a max deal carries some risk of becoming an albatross. That, combined with Simmons being a big contract risk is concerning.

[Netaman]

Windrem is becoming doom & gloom. He says his sources are saying there is no way that KD or Irving will be back, and that expectations should be lowered in terms of the "haul." A lot of emphasis on KD's injury history.

I honestly don't have an issue with the original phoenix offer if all else fails - Ayton, Bridges, Cam, all the picks. It works on this trade machine and gets the nets under the apron (https://i.ibb.co/7yRDk6Z/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-7-6-2022-12-44-16-PM.png). 1 or 2 picks go to IND in this deal since they take Westbrook.

Marks has filled the roster up enough that the hard cap doesn't even really matter if they can get under it, unless there's some big negative i'm missing. Even if they lose an exception who cares? Without KD they wouldn't be 1 piece away and if ever there's a year to not care it's this one since they are likely going to keep their own draft pick.

Simmons / Patty / Sumner
Curry / Warren
O'Neale / Harris / Edwards
Bridges / Johnson
Ayton / Claxton / Sharpe

everyone around Simmons can hit a shot. the 2nd unit is legit. Patty, Warren, Harris, Johnson, Claxton is a legitimate 5.

hire a real head coach and let's go.

I don't disagree. The Suns package is a likely double, and a triple if Ayton actually signs for less than the max. Of course Ayton on a max deal carries some risk of becoming an albatross. That, combined with Simmons being a big contract risk is concerning.

I don't know, Ayton has been a steady 62 TS% and is a good switchable defender. It's his age 24-27 seasons. It's hard to see a lot of risk in there. He's basically a better version of Brook Lopez (when we first max'd him), except he's actually been a key piece on a winning team that's gotten to the postseason (and a finals). Even if he's not a super star he'll be a tradeable asset.

I had him taking slightly less than max in that deal at $30m per but that's obviously just a guess.

[MrDollarBills]

NOLA has all of their own picks, plus:

Swap rights with the Lakers in 2023
The Lakers 2024 pick (possibly post-LeBron)
Swap rights with Milwaukee in 2024 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2025 if top 4 (likely worthless)
Swap Rights with Milwaukee in 2026 (likely worthless)
Milwaukee 1st in 2027

Give me BI, Jones, Nance, Lakers 2024 pick, + two Nola future 1sts and KD can go rot in Louisiana for the rest of his career.

I'm greedy. I also want Dyson Daniels, the 2023 NOLA/LA pick (unprotected) & swaps. Let's say '23 NOLA/LA, '24 LA, '26 NOLA, '28 NOLA). They can keep Jones (who I believe was the reason for KD's injury this year).

No you absolutely want Jones. He was all rookie team this season.

[TheNetsFan]

Give me BI, Jones, Nance, Lakers 2024 pick, + two Nola future 1sts and KD can go rot in Louisiana for the rest of his career.

I'm greedy. I also want Dyson Daniels, the 2023 NOLA/LA pick (unprotected) & swaps. Let's say '23 NOLA/LA, '24 LA, '26 NOLA, '28 NOLA). They can keep Jones (who I believe was the reason for KD's injury this year).

No you absolutely want Jones. He was all rookie team this season.

I don't think you're getting BI, Jones & Nance out of them. Maybe you can get Jones OR Nance. They're more likely to want to keep them & give up extra picks.

Utah ripped off Minny & walked away with the equivalent of 5 1sts. If you can walk away with that same 5 1st equivalent (Daniels plus the 4 picks above), swaps and Ingram, you did ok (not great, but ok).

[Netaman]

So playing out the "hard capped" scenario if the Nets do some kind of S&T with Ayton, here's a useful resource from last year:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/nba-teams-with-hard-caps-for-2021-22.html

Roughly 1/3 of the league operated under a hard cap including Miami, Dallas (who still added Dinwiddie via trade), the Bulls, Cavs, Pelicans, etc.

In the deal I did above the Nets would have basically a full roster and be a few million below the apron to start the year.

Curry @ 8.4m would be a very tradaeable contract, probably for a TE and a pick if they wanted.
Same with O'Neale's 9.2m.

and if there's a bigger trade to be made in season, like say Donovan Mitchell, we already know Simmons 35m needs to be going the other way anyway.

and if there was some other bigger contract they want to take on like say Lillard without trading Simmons then they'd need to include some combo of Harris' 18m and other contracts - which if they included Curry, O'Neale, Claxton, and Mills together could get them to matching $44.8m. The only 2 players in the NBA with a bigger contract than that amount are Russ and Steph.

So could they end up in a tricky maneuvering position? With the disabled player exception it would seem unlikely. But since they have a lot of potentially maneuverable contracts I don't think it's the end of the world - especially this year which is a non-contending year. This might be a year where they are shopping guys like Curry for TE + picks at the deadline if they've traded KD and aren't planning on extending him.

[TheNetsFan]

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[MGrand15]

I don't buy KD coming back at all. Especially since he's been getting 90% positive press for the trade demand.

I feel like the issue with KD is he thinks the players are WAY more important than any other part of the league. Coaches, front office, owners, fans, media, etc. And he thinks they should be treated like that and never questioned. Our organization finally pushed back on Kyrie and KD and they demanded out immediately. This has nothing to do with basketball or roster or coaching or whatever. It's just power.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Make the deal with New Orleans Marks!!!

Get me Ingram/Jones and 7 first rounders.

Then convince Dallas to take Kooky Kyrie for Dinwiddie and Bertans.

Simmons
Dinwddie
Harris
Ingram
Claxton

Team is set for the next 5 years.

[Crives]

Windrem is becoming doom & gloom. He says his sources are saying there is no way that KD or Irving will be back, and that expectations should be lowered in terms of the "haul." A lot of emphasis on KD's injury history.

I honestly don't have an issue with the original phoenix offer if all else fails - Ayton, Bridges, Cam, all the picks. It works on this trade machine and gets the nets under the apron (https://i.ibb.co/7yRDk6Z/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-7-6-2022-12-44-16-PM.png). 1 or 2 picks go to IND in this deal since they take Westbrook.

Marks has filled the roster up enough that the hard cap doesn't even really matter if they can get under it, unless there's some big negative i'm missing. Even if they lose an exception who cares? Without KD they wouldn't be 1 piece away and if ever there's a year to not care it's this one since they are likely going to keep their own draft pick.

Simmons / Patty / Sumner
Curry / Warren
O'Neale / Harris / Edwards
Bridges / Johnson
Ayton / Claxton / Sharpe

everyone around Simmons can hit a shot. the 2nd unit is legit. Patty, Warren, Harris, Johnson, Claxton is a legitimate 5.

hire a real head coach and let's go.

Johnson would start over Oneale.

But I would start both. Mikal can play the two.

Start Simmons/Bridges/Cam/O’Neal/Ayton

That is a scary defense.

With that said, I don’t see phx giving both Cam and Mikal. Maybe both if they send less picks.

[Crives]

Make the deal with New Orleans Marks!!!

Get me Ingram/Jones and 7 first rounders.

Then convince Dallas to take Kooky Kyrie for Dinwiddie and Bertans.

Simmons
Dinwddie
Harris
Ingram
Claxton

Team is set for the next 5 years.

Hate it for New Orleans. Zion will not sign another contract if they give up their youth and picks, pelicans can’t count on more then two years on KD.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Make the deal with New Orleans Marks!!!

Get me Ingram/Jones and 7 first rounders.

Then convince Dallas to take Kooky Kyrie for Dinwiddie and Bertans.

Simmons
Dinwddie
Harris
Ingram
Claxton

Team is set for the next 5 years.

Hate it for New Orleans. Zion will not sign another contract if they give up their youth and picks, pelicans can’t count on more then two years on KD.

Honestly me too. But I think they might do it.