Official 2019 Brooklyn Nets Offseason Thread

JKiddy · Post #661 » by **JKiddy** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:49 pm

Can we get a salary cap expert here?

I don't have the time or patience at the moment to figure this out.

But, could this hypothetical work?

Nets sign KD to a $32M+ a year deal (increases each year) in for 4 years worth $140M+
Nets Kyrie to a $27M+ a year deal for 4 years worth $125ish
Nets sign Dudley to a vet min.
Nets sign another player for a min.
They go over the cap.

Once they go over the cap they do these two things.

1) They get an exemption for KD's contract since he will not be medically cleared to play by June 15th and they take 50% of his salary and can sign a player to a 1 year deal for 16M (Ed Davis).
2) They sign DLO to go over the cap to a 4 year $80M deal since he is our own player on our roster with that exception

Can we do this??

Post #662 » by **Rich Rane** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:02 pm

JKiddy wrote:Can we get a salary cap expert here?

I don't have the time or patience at the moment to figure this out.

But, could this hypothetical work?

Nets sign KD to a $32M+ a year deal (increases each year) in for 4 years worth $140M+
Nets Kyrie to a $27M+ a year deal for 4 years worth $125ish
Nets sign Dudley to a vet min.
Nets sign another player for a min.
They go over the cap.

Once they go over the cap they do these two things.

1) They get an exemption for KD's contract since he will not be medically cleared to play by June 15th and they take 50% of his salary and can sign a player to a 1 year deal for 16M (Ed Davis).
2) They sign DLO to go over the cap to a 4 year $80M deal since he is our own player on our roster with that exception

Can we do this??

Did you take into account Russell's $21.1 million cap hold before signing KD and Kyrie? Pretty sure if the Nets go after KD, it's either Kyrie or Russell. Can't have both.

JKiddy · Post #663 » by **JKiddy** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:35 pm

2019-20 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Nets current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2019 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $132,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries $39,332,576
Luxury Tax Space $92,667,424

D'Angelo Russell 23 PG Restricted Bird $21,059,094

So 92.7M - 21.1M = 71.6M in space with DLO's Cap Hold

Split 69M between KD and Kyrie and now you have 2.6M.

Say that goes to Dudley.

If we signed Ed Davis to the Exemption (KD injury) that would now be like $16M for one year.

Now you have a team with depth and stars.

Is this possible within the rules of the CBA? It seems like it might every well be!

Post #664 » by **Rich Rane** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:38 pm

JKiddy wrote:2019-20 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Nets current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2019 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $132,000,000
Total Taxable Salaries $39,332,576
Luxury Tax Space $92,667,424

D'Angelo Russell 23 PG Restricted Bird $21,059,094

So 92.7M - 21.1M = 71.6M in space with DLO's Cap Hold

Split 69M between KD and Kyrie and now you have 2.6M.

Say that goes to Dudley.

If we signed Ed Davis to the Exemption (KD injury) that would now be like $16M for one year.

Now you have a team with depth and stars.

Is this possible within the rules of the CBA? It seems like it might every well be!

Salary cap, not luxury cap. Salary cap for 2019-2020 season is $109 million.

TheNetsFan · Post #665 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:46 pm

JKiddy wrote:Can we get a salary cap expert here?

I don't have the time or patience at the moment to figure this out.

But, could this hypothetical work?

Nets sign KD to a $32M+ a year deal (increases each year) in for 4 years worth $140M+
Nets Kyrie to a $27M+ a year deal for 4 years worth $125ish
Nets sign Dudley to a vet min.
Nets sign another player for a min.
They go over the cap.

Once they go over the cap they do these two things.

1) They get an exemption for KD's contract since he will not be medically cleared to play by June 15th and they take 50% of his salary and can sign a player to a 1 year deal for 16M (Ed Davis).
2) They sign DLO to go over the cap to a 4 year $80M deal since he is our own player on our roster with that exception

Can we do this??

No.
1) KD & Kyrie aren't taking such big discounts.
2) We cannot get an injury exception if we sign KD, as it would be a pre-existing condition.

As far as the veteran minimum contracts are concerned, you sign them last, and can exceed the cap to do so.

JKiddy · Post #666 » by **JKiddy** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:47 pm

If we get to $70M in cap space and we hold DLO at $20. We bring in Kyrie at $25. We bring in KD for $25. Then we sign DLO for $20M a season. If they took cuts and we used $12.5 (Injury Exemption for KD's 50% of his salary for 1 year) on Ed Davis and the vet min on Dudley and one other player could we do this?

TheNetsFan · Post #667 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:28 pm

JKiddy wrote:If we get to $70M in cap space and we hold DLO at $20. We bring in Kyrie at $25. We bring in KD for $25. Then we sign DLO for $20M a season. If they took cuts and we used $12.5 (Injury Exemption for KD's 50% of his salary for 1 year) on Ed Davis and the vet min on Dudley and one other player could we do this?

None of those guys are taking that huge of a discount. Maybe Kyrie takes $32 instead of $32.7. Maybe Durant takes $37 instead of $38.5. Dudley can be signed for the minimum. Again, you cannot get an injury exception for KD.

Papi_swav · Post #668 » by **Papi_swav** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:57 pm

JKiddy wrote:If we get to $70M in cap space and we hold DLO at $20. We bring in Kyrie at $25. We bring in KD for $25. Then we sign DLO for $20M a season. If they took cuts and we used $12.5 (Injury Exemption for KD's 50% of his salary for 1 year) on Ed Davis and the vet min on Dudley and one other player could we do this?

lol these guys are not taking that much of a discount bro, it would be nice but I highly doubt it. LeBron/Bosh/Wade all took huge pay cuts to team up but these guys are looking for the big contracts especially KD because this will likely be his last big contract.. I can see him taking a million or 2 off but not 10-13 million off. We can sign KD and Kyrie and just renounce Russell , that's what it's looking like right now. Even though I think we should try hard to S&T him for a pick or something but that's highly unlikely.

MrDollarBills · Post #669 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:08 pm

Maybe it's just me, but any time I see people outside of this fanbase (especially on RealGM) talking about the Nets it's like they literally spew stupidity. The hot takes that I hear about the Nets or D'Angelo Russell are just so full of ignorance it's baffling. Why talk about something that you have zero clue about?

MrDollarBills · Post #670 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 pm

JKiddy wrote:If we get to $70M in cap space and we hold DLO at $20. We bring in Kyrie at $25. We bring in KD for $25. Then we sign DLO for $20M a season. If they took cuts and we used $12.5 (Injury Exemption for KD's 50% of his salary for 1 year) on Ed Davis and the vet min on Dudley and one other player could we do this?

Neither player will nor should they take such steep paycuts. Their value to this franchise will far exceed what they are being paid in max dollars if they are both healthy for the majority of their deals.

Post #671 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:50 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
apaark wrote:
Many connections between Kawhi and ex-Spurs personnel now on the Nets. Also, after his quad surgery in Manhattan, Kawhi stayed with Uncle Dennis in his South Orange, NJ home while he did his rehab. Likes the area. Supposedly he wasn't happy about being sent to Toronto and reached out to other players about teaming up and Nets were mentioned as a possible destination.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/18/kawhi-leonard-gives-nets-reason-to-dream-about-2019/

Kyrie grew up in the next town over in West Orange and his dad still lives there and Kyrie frequently visits. Multiple sources have stated that Kyrie bought a house in South Orange, NJ just last month.

Kawli and Kyrie, maybe teammates and neighbors??

Only 20 miles from South Orange to Barclays center. Less than an hour if you avoid rush hour traffic.

South Orange is a great area for a guy like Leonard because he's very low key. However, I don't see him coming to the Nets just because of nice well to do suburb.

Also, that commute from South Orange to Brooklyn is a royal bitch.

Brooklyn is also great for a low-key person. There's a lot of anonymity in NYC.

I saw Peter Dinklage rocking a hoodie the same day of the Nets open practice. Unfortunately for him, it’s kinda easy to know that it’s him. A hoodie doesn’t really give hi anonymity lol.

Stone · Post #672 » by **Stone** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:19 pm

Question.......Is there any way to stretch what is owed to Deron Williams any further?

Kaiser30 · Post #673 » by **Kaiser30** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:49 pm

Stone wrote:Question.......Is there any way to stretch what is owed to Deron Williams any further?

No, as soon as the money is stretched, it fully counts against the cap during the entire strech period. Absolute no way to get out of it.

Hated this move back then because it only saved Prokhorov from the luxury tax and it was very predictable that this may hurt the Nets in free agency down the line. Which is now the case, these extra 5.5m would come in very handy now.

JKiddy · Post #674 » by **JKiddy** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:40 pm

Do we really think that Marks is just going to let go of an asset and a huge piece of our current roster for nothing?

I don't see him just renouncing DLO.

I wonder what happens. I didn't know the full intricacies of the Injury Exemption. I thought it was if the player was deemed to not be able to play a full season while on your roster for that season you could get 50% to put towards another player.

I apologize if I am wrong.

This is going to be very interesting.

I watched a few videos and really respect Kyrie. I hope if we replace DLO that Kyrie really makes that leap from NBA Top 10 to Top 5. If we sign KD I hope he can come back in 2020-21 at 85%+ of what he was. If not, I am not going to be super happy with these deals if that happen.

I really like DLO. He is 23 and will be a potential All-NBA 3rd Team player next year in the right environment (which was here).

JKiddy · Post #675 » by **JKiddy** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Maybe it's just me, but any time I see people outside of this fanbase (especially on RealGM) talking about the Nets it's like they literally spew stupidity. The hot takes that I hear about the Nets or D'Angelo Russell are just so full of ignorance it's baffling. Why talk about something that you have zero clue about?

I am confused as well. I actually like it. There are completely reasonable and informed fans. But, there are some fans who just haven't paid any attention to our franchise in about 5 years.

vincecarter4pres · Post #676 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:55 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
South Orange is a great area for a guy like Leonard because he's very low key. However, I don't see him coming to the Nets just because of nice well to do suburb.

Also, that commute from South Orange to Brooklyn is a royal bitch.

Brooklyn is also great for a low-key person. There's a lot of anonymity in NYC.

I saw Peter Dinklage rocking a hoodie the same day of the Nets open practice. Unfortunately for him, it’s kinda easy to know that it’s him. A hoodie doesn’t really give hi anonymity lol.

People in Brooklyn drink and they know things.

Aussienet3 · Post #677 » by **Aussienet3** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:56 am

I can see Marks using D'Lo's weed bust against him in offering a $20m plus contract. Not saying it will happen but can see him doing it as a way to justify letting him go.

MrDollarBills · Post #678 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:37 am

Aussienet3 wrote:I can see Marks using D'Lo's weed bust against him in offering a $20m plus contract. Not saying it will happen but can see him doing it as a way to justify letting him go.

I don't think the weed bust has anything to do with what's happening now. If Kyrie Irving had not been interested the Nets would be retaining Russell without a second thought.

Paradise · Post #679 » by **Paradise** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:51 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Aussienet3 wrote:I can see Marks using D'Lo's weed bust against him in offering a $20m plus contract. Not saying it will happen but can see him doing it as a way to justify letting him go.

I don't think the weed bust has anything to do with what's happening now. If Kyrie Irving had not been interested the Nets would be retaining Russell without a second thought.

Pretty much. It’s fairly simple: The Nets want to go from an all-star that’s still ascending with limited athleticism for an All-NBA MVP caliber star that is known for finishing at the rim that’s about to hit his prime and would be the best player and guard Kenny has ever coached. I don’t think they believe in having D’Lo, LeVert making max money together without an All-NBA caliber star as the complimentary pieces.

It’s kind of going back to the whole Masai dealing the homegrown Derozan for Kawhi who was also slandered hard by fans and the media for wanting out of a high culture championship franchise. If Kyrie has an MVP caliber season here in Brooklyn under Kenny’a system, nobody will care after that about the optics of losing D’angelo.

Right now, it feels hard. Very hard but I’ll be so happy to sign Kyrie Irving. It’s been an idea floated around here after he signed that Cleveland extension and LeBron returned.

Papi_swav · Post #680 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:23 am

Aussienet3 wrote:I can see Marks using D'Lo's weed bust against him in offering a $20m plus contract. Not saying it will happen but can see him doing it as a way to justify letting him go.

lol this isn't the NFL, nobody really cares about weed in this league unless you're an addict but some of these guys smoke regularly I'm sure (JR Smith). I actually even forgot about that weed thing with Russell to be honest.