Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[Netaman]

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Doesn’t even get mentioned that he was signed flatout as well. So it’s not like we had to pay assets to acquire him initially, nor was he a homegrown drafted guy with attachments who was here for years.

Yep, KD signing here was worth everything they gave up and more. It had/has a chance to be as monumental for Brooklyn as Pierce trade for Boston. And we almost got a ring out of it (should have if not for all the bad luck we've talked about ad nauseam).

Need to get lucky in the lotto and get our first tatum/brown piece in June.

[Netaman]

The only players I’d be fine with them abandoning the tank for are as follows:

Luka
SGA
Jokic
Banchero(wouldn’t include the ‘25 pick)
Tatum
Edwards
Wemby(obviously never happening)

Edwards is the name on this list that stands out given Minnesota has already made some missteps but he is signed so long that price would be huge. Giannis and Booker are 2 names i'd add to the list who i expect would be cheaper and just as likely to ask out as anyone above.

Call me crazy, but I think Marks starts building this into a destination again quicker than we all think and KD signs back in the Summer of 2026, not necessarily as a final piece but as a 3rd piece to go with 1 of the names above and ideally a successful draft pick from June. Maybe CamT is still around on an extension too.

Sucks to have missed out on a chance to trade for Luka, but if the tank works out that in the end may prove to be worth it. Had they gotten Luka though, I think they'd have been odds on favorite for Giannis, which would have then put them im position to add KD to a real contender in 16 months. If they get Flagg/Bailey/Harper or whoever and that player is a stud right away, along with some savvy moves maybe that's enough to entire Giannis this summer and KD after that?

[Netaman]

I don't sub here so i can read the full article, no idea of Giannis is even mentioned, but he is the shocker I could see getting moved before the deadline. If MIL got their pick returned, it would easily end up lotto without Giannis. Probably top 8-10 odds. SAS could offer their own pick or ATL pick, though neither is likely to end up better in odds than MIL's own pick were they to give up Giannis.

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if MIL were to call Nets and offer Giannis essentially straight up for Simmons' expiring, plus 3 picks (let's say their own pick returned and 2 unprotected NYK picks) that's tempting.

Nets could do that and get themselves cap compliant by offloading Bogdonovic to a 3rd team and taking less salary back for that move.

Would Giannis come here willing to load manage himself rest of season?

if not best thing may be MIL trading him elsewhere and us just getting the benefits of another lotto pick.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't sub here so i can read the full article, no idea of Giannis is even mentioned, but he is the shocker I could see getting moved before the deadline. If MIL got their pick returned, it would easily end up lotto without Giannis. Probably top 8-10 odds. SAS could offer their own pick or ATL pick, though neither is likely to end up better in odds than MIL's own pick were they to give up Giannis.

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if MIL were to call Nets and offer Giannis essentially straight up for Simmons' expiring, plus 3 picks (let's say their own pick returned and 2 unprotected NYK picks) that's tempting.

Nets could do that and get themselves cap compliant by offloading Bogdonovic to a 3rd team and taking less salary back for that move.

Would Giannis come here willing to load manage himself rest of season?

if not best thing may be MIL trading him elsewhere and us just getting the benefits of another lotto pick.

That pick is unprotected. It goes to the Pelicans if it falls 1-4.

[Stone]

It's nice to dream, but the world is still off of its axis since Luka got dealt. IMO I just can see another major star getting moved before the deadline.

[Netaman]

That pick is unprotected. It goes to the Pelicans if it falls 1-4.

with 26 wins already it would be a very big long shot to end up top 4. Memphis was #7 last year with 27 wins. the 6 teams with 16 or fewer wins are tanking and probably dont end the year with 26+ wins even if bucks never win another game.

so best case they tank all the way #7, with is a 32% chance at top 4.

more likely they end up #8-12 with odds closer between 1 in 5 and 1 in 20.

if they traded Giannis and got their pick back from Nets, i think it would be 70-95% likely to convert into a lotto pick for them.

[vincecarter4pres]

That pick is unprotected. It goes to the Pelicans if it falls 1-4.

with 26 wins already it would be a very big long shot to end up top 4. Memphis was #7 last year with 27 wins. the 6 teams with 16 or fewer wins are tanking and probably dont end the year with 26+ wins even if bucks never win another game.

so best case they tank all the way #7, with is a 32% chance at top 4.

more likely they end up #8-12 with odds closer between 1 in 5 and 1 in 20.

if they traded Giannis and got their pick back from Nets, i think it would be 70-95% likely to convert into a lotto pick for them.

That’s not something they could risk in a Giannis trade no matter the additional assets coming to them.

Could you imagine we get Giannis and that pick winds up 1st overall??(or anywhere top 4?)

PR nightmare.

[Netaman]

That pick is unprotected. It goes to the Pelicans if it falls 1-4.

with 26 wins already it would be a very big long shot to end up top 4. Memphis was #7 last year with 27 wins. the 6 teams with 16 or fewer wins are tanking and probably dont end the year with 26+ wins even if bucks never win another game.

so best case they tank all the way #7, with is a 32% chance at top 4.

more likely they end up #8-12 with odds closer between 1 in 5 and 1 in 20.

if they traded Giannis and got their pick back from Nets, i think it would be 70-95% likely to convert into a lotto pick for them.

That’s not something they could risk in a Giannis trade no matter the additional assets coming to them.

Could you imagine we get Giannis and that pick winds up 1st overall??(or anywhere top 4?)

PR nightmare.

if they think that way all that means is giannis unlikely to get dealt until the summer, and they pass on a chance to get a lotto pick this year.

if i were them i think the right way to think of it would be that trading Giannis is going to suck no matter when they do it. What's the best way to maximize the return? They own their own 2026 pick, but currently no 2025 picks and it's obviously a loaded draft.

I'm not saying they should trade him now, just that they would be stupid to not consider all options. 2 picks in 2025 including their own which would be likely to convey somewhere in lotto, plus their own 2026 pick which is likely to be high again, maybe 1 or 2 other future picks could all accelerate a rebuild. could cash in additional players now too.

remember if they start cashing in before dealing giannis all that does is accelerate him asking out and weaken their leverage.

[vincecarter4pres]

with 26 wins already it would be a very big long shot to end up top 4. Memphis was #7 last year with 27 wins. the 6 teams with 16 or fewer wins are tanking and probably dont end the year with 26+ wins even if bucks never win another game.

so best case they tank all the way #7, with is a 32% chance at top 4.

more likely they end up #8-12 with odds closer between 1 in 5 and 1 in 20.

if they traded Giannis and got their pick back from Nets, i think it would be 70-95% likely to convert into a lotto pick for them.

That’s not something they could risk in a Giannis trade no matter the additional assets coming to them.

Could you imagine we get Giannis and that pick winds up 1st overall??(or anywhere top 4?)

PR nightmare.

if they think that way all that means is giannis unlikely to get dealt until the summer, and they pass on a chance to get a lotto pick this year.

if i were them i think the right way to think of it would be that trading Giannis is going to suck no matter when they do it. What's the best way to maximize the return? They own their own 2026 pick, but currently no 2025 picks and it's obviously a loaded draft.

I'm not saying they should trade him now, just that they would be stupid to not consider all options. 2 picks in 2025 including their own which would be likely to convey somewhere in lotto, plus their own 2026 pick which is likely to be high again, maybe 1 or 2 other future picks could all accelerate a rebuild. could cash in additional players now too.

remember if they start cashing in before dealing giannis all that does is accelerate him asking out and weaken their leverage.

Honestly, I want no part in abandoning the tank for Giannis.

He’s a guy you target in the summer of ‘26 if anything, or maybe next deadline.

I don’t get the obsession with almost out of their prime stars, at least as the first domino and at high asset cost.

Brooklyn should again look to sign a guy like that flatout, not deal everything not tied down for them.

[Netaman]

That’s not something they could risk in a Giannis trade no matter the additional assets coming to them.

Could you imagine we get Giannis and that pick winds up 1st overall??(or anywhere top 4?)

PR nightmare.

if they think that way all that means is giannis unlikely to get dealt until the summer, and they pass on a chance to get a lotto pick this year.

if i were them i think the right way to think of it would be that trading Giannis is going to suck no matter when they do it. What's the best way to maximize the return? They own their own 2026 pick, but currently no 2025 picks and it's obviously a loaded draft.

I'm not saying they should trade him now, just that they would be stupid to not consider all options. 2 picks in 2025 including their own which would be likely to convey somewhere in lotto, plus their own 2026 pick which is likely to be high again, maybe 1 or 2 other future picks could all accelerate a rebuild. could cash in additional players now too.

remember if they start cashing in before dealing giannis all that does is accelerate him asking out and weaken their leverage.

Honestly, I want no part in abandoning the tank for Giannis.

He’s a guy you target in the summer of ‘26 if anything, or maybe next deadline.

I don’t get the obsession with almost out of their prime stars, at least as the first domino and at high asset cost.

Brooklyn should again look to sign a guy like that flatout, not deal everything not tied down for them.

the issue is will any get to true UFA? that's obviously the ideal but its never guaranteed.

milwaukee should be shopping him, so the question is if they are do you consider it or do you pass on him like they correctly did with lillard?

[vincecarter4pres]

if they think that way all that means is giannis unlikely to get dealt until the summer, and they pass on a chance to get a lotto pick this year.

if i were them i think the right way to think of it would be that trading Giannis is going to suck no matter when they do it. What's the best way to maximize the return? They own their own 2026 pick, but currently no 2025 picks and it's obviously a loaded draft.

I'm not saying they should trade him now, just that they would be stupid to not consider all options. 2 picks in 2025 including their own which would be likely to convey somewhere in lotto, plus their own 2026 pick which is likely to be high again, maybe 1 or 2 other future picks could all accelerate a rebuild. could cash in additional players now too.

remember if they start cashing in before dealing giannis all that does is accelerate him asking out and weaken their leverage.

Honestly, I want no part in abandoning the tank for Giannis.

He’s a guy you target in the summer of ‘26 if anything, or maybe next deadline.

I don’t get the obsession with almost out of their prime stars, at least as the first domino and at high asset cost.

Brooklyn should again look to sign a guy like that flatout, not deal everything not tied down for them.

the issue is will any get to true UFA? that's obviously the ideal but its never guaranteed.

milwaukee should be shopping him, so the question is if they are do you consider it or do you pass on him like they correctly did with lillard?

You pass on him unless you have some concrete shady intel you’re going to be able to pair him with a literal Jokic or Anthony Edwards. And you get to keep your ‘25 pick.

[Netaman]

Honestly, I want no part in abandoning the tank for Giannis.

He’s a guy you target in the summer of ‘26 if anything, or maybe next deadline.

I don’t get the obsession with almost out of their prime stars, at least as the first domino and at high asset cost.

Brooklyn should again look to sign a guy like that flatout, not deal everything not tied down for them.

the issue is will any get to true UFA? that's obviously the ideal but its never guaranteed.

milwaukee should be shopping him, so the question is if they are do you consider it or do you pass on him like they correctly did with lillard?

You pass on him unless you have some concrete shady intel you’re going to be able to pair him with a literal Jokic or Anthony Edwards. And you get to keep your ‘25 pick.

even though the tank is off tracks a bit, nets are going to be picking top 10 with their pick no matter what. if giannis doesnt get traded, the MIL pick they own will be out of the lotto and it's not that relevant since nets have 2 others currently 5/6 picks away from it.

the point from the MIL end is they can create value by trading for a pick currently of non-lotto value, and get their own likely top 10 lotto pick back for giannis.

the spurs are the only other team, maybe okc, who have potential lotto picks to trade for giannis.

im sure they've talked to all these teams and perhaps they (MIL) can get lotto picks for giannis in June and dont need to be urgent right now, but on the flip side those teams could make different trades for different players and be out entirely as destinations for giannis. or giannis could try to engineer his preferred destination (wherever that is) on them as he gets closer to FA.

for milwaukee this is a possible bird in the hand situation. they can get their own pick back in a good draft under their control. in June that pick is either going to be not very high/valuable, or if it somehow ends up in the top 10 not likely to be on the table.

[Netaman]

Honestly, I want no part in abandoning the tank for Giannis.

He’s a guy you target in the summer of ‘26 if anything, or maybe next deadline.

I don’t get the obsession with almost out of their prime stars, at least as the first domino and at high asset cost.

Brooklyn should again look to sign a guy like that flatout, not deal everything not tied down for them.

the issue is will any get to true UFA? that's obviously the ideal but its never guaranteed.

milwaukee should be shopping him, so the question is if they are do you consider it or do you pass on him like they correctly did with lillard?

You pass on him unless you have some concrete shady intel you’re going to be able to pair him with a literal Jokic or Anthony Edwards. And you get to keep your ‘25 pick.

and btw re the other part of what you said, if they get giannis, retain a bunch of picks, and have cap room in 2026, i think it is close to a lock they will be able to get another star with him. may not be jokic or edwards, but id guess someone on these lists will want in. and who knows what they'll have added to Camj/Clax/CamT in the 2025 draft.

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[Decipher]

Bucks just traded Middleton and one of their only young players for Kyle fkn Kuzma to save money

[ecuhus1981]

I want I trade Thomas and Sharpe to Dallas, for Lively and OMP. Like, immediately.

Dereck is a rare young stretch 5 who can really defend at all 3 levels. But, I think Nico might move him, in order to use AD and PJ at their best positions, the 4 and 5. Day'Ron can be a great backup to both, and Cam could fill their shot creation void.

[Decipher]

All of our trade targets except Cam T (injured) are playing tonight so we might be done

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[ecuhus1981]

Why would they need multiple 1sts for this exchange??? Memphis finna fleece the Bucks

[TheNetsFan]

Why would they need multiple 1sts for this exchange??? Memphis finna fleece the Bucks

I'm assuming they need to pay a team with space to take on some of their players, so if their 2031 pick is worth $1, they're looking for a team that can give them 4 quarters in exchange, because it doesn't cost $1 to dump a guy like Portis/Connaughton/Beauchamp. Essentially, he is saying Milwaukee wants to do what Phoenix did.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Were winning too many games.

Marks just needs to trade Cam J for a first and move on. Trade D Lo for anything too.