Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread

[CalamityX12]

It could be a similar scenario back with Dwight. ORL held onto to Dwight til the deadline to avoid the NETs potentially getting a better record thus enforcing a poor record by seasons end. Dwight then goes F everything up...

IDK... i wouldn't make the trade just yet unless the offer is beyond obvious.

[Prokorov]

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/13/oklahoma-city-thunder-russell-wesbrook-trade-rumors-boston-celtics

another source to go along with Prok's....

damn, Durant's decision so screwed us lol....

What does Boston have? Had they drafted Dunn, then major yes! but they didn't. What does Boston have to send OKC?

OK i realized that Boston owning/swap of our pick may be great influence however a deal like shouldn't be made by OKC til trading deadline to see where the NETs stand in the lotto.

take a good look at the roster we have and then come back to the sentence in bold

You don't need to have psychic ability to predict where that pick will be come March.

If I'm presti i pillage Ainge for Nets 2017 AND 2018 pick, isiah thomas, jae crowder and whatever trash that is needed to make the salaries work. in fact, i think OKC would still be respectable with that deal because Thomas is a B Tier stud and OKC still has some good pieces in house.

Thomas/smart/jaylen and nets picks is a haul.

issue is i doubt westbrook signs there. he would just be in a colder, more racist version of OKC. if they trade him, he will give them a list of teams he will resign with,

clippers, lakers, heat would be my guess

[Prokorov]

It could be a similar scenario back with Dwight. ORL held onto to Dwight til the deadline to avoid the NETs potentially getting a better record thus enforcing a poor record by seasons end. Dwight then goes F everything up...

IDK... i wouldn't make the trade just yet unless the offer is beyond obvious.

big difference, if orlando traded us dwight, dwight helps us win, worsening the pick.

if okc trades westbrook to boston, that doesnt prevent us from sucking, pick is still elite top 2

[CalamityX12]

It could be a similar scenario back with Dwight. ORL held onto to Dwight til the deadline to avoid the NETs potentially getting a better record thus enforcing a poor record by seasons end. Dwight then goes F everything up...

IDK... i wouldn't make the trade just yet unless the offer is beyond obvious.

big difference, if orlando traded us dwight, dwight helps us win, worsening the pick.

if okc trades westbrook to boston, that doesnt prevent us from sucking, pick is still elite top 2

ah mother you're right...

principle was to see if BKN would be indeed a high lotto bound team but yet, that trade would have no impact with us directly.

[spaceballer]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242832/GMs-Expect-Russell-Westbrook-To-Be-Traded-Before-Start-Of-Season

GMs expect westbrook to be dealt before the season.


Boston or LA seem most likely. he'd have to agree to an extension or to resign id assume.

That's not allowed by the league. Stern explicitly warned the Rockets and Thunder that they were not allowed to bring the subject up during trade negotiations. The Rockets were only allowed to broach the subject of an extension with Harden only after he was on their roster.

If they trade for him, it has to be with the risk of him walking. The team that trades for him may only broach the subject of a re-signing or extension after he is on their roster. The team trading him away may not discuss or attempt to get a commitment from him on the issue prior to trading him.

Whether you're trading for Harden, Teague, Westbrook, Dwight, Batum, whoever, you have to do it with the risk of them not re-signing or extending.

The player or his agent might indicate whether he views a potential trade or destination favorably or not. But it's non-binding. As we saw when Dwight put LA on his trade list, but then decided not to re-sign with the Lakers. Westbrook may not promise to re-sign with any team as part of the trade, and even if he speaks favorably of the trade destination prior to the trade, he may still choose not to re-sign and walk like Dwight did. A commitment to re-sign is not allowed to be part of the trade discussions, according to the league.

At least not officially.

[Prokorov]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242832/GMs-Expect-Russell-Westbrook-To-Be-Traded-Before-Start-Of-Season

GMs expect westbrook to be dealt before the season.


Boston or LA seem most likely. he'd have to agree to an extension or to resign id assume.

That's not allowed by the league. Stern explicitly warned the Rockets and Thunder that they were not allowed to bring the subject up during trade negotiations. The Rockets were only allowed to broach the subject of an extension with Harden only after he was on their roster.

If they trade for him, it has to be with the risk of him walking. The team that trades for him may only broach the subject of a re-signing or extension after he is on their roster. The team trading him away may not discuss or attempt to get a commitment from him on the issue prior to trading him.

Whether you're trading for Harden, Teague, Westbrook, Dwight, Batum, whoever, you have to do it with the risk of them not re-signing or extending.

The player or his agent might indicate whether he views a potential trade or destination favorably or not. But it's non-binding. As we saw when Dwight put LA on his trade list, but then decided not to re-sign with the Lakers. Westbrook may not promise to re-sign with any team as part of the trade, and even if he speaks favorably of the trade destination prior to the trade, he may still choose not to re-sign and walk like Dwight did. A commitment to re-sign is not allowed to be part of the trade discussions, according to the league.

At least not officially.

that rule is easy to skirt and teams do it all the time.... all westbrook has to do is come public with a wish list of teams he woudl consider or have his agent leak it. then OKC only deals with those teams. we see it all the time.

[spaceballer]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242832/GMs-Expect-Russell-Westbrook-To-Be-Traded-Before-Start-Of-Season

GMs expect westbrook to be dealt before the season.


Boston or LA seem most likely. he'd have to agree to an extension or to resign id assume.

That's not allowed by the league. Stern explicitly warned the Rockets and Thunder that they were not allowed to bring the subject up during trade negotiations. The Rockets were only allowed to broach the subject of an extension with Harden only after he was on their roster.

If they trade for him, it has to be with the risk of him walking. The team that trades for him may only broach the subject of a re-signing or extension after he is on their roster. The team trading him away may not discuss or attempt to get a commitment from him on the issue prior to trading him.

Whether you're trading for Harden, Teague, Westbrook, Dwight, Batum, whoever, you have to do it with the risk of them not re-signing or extending.

The player or his agent might indicate whether he views a potential trade or destination favorably or not. But it's non-binding. As we saw when Dwight put LA on his trade list, but then decided not to re-sign with the Lakers. Westbrook may not promise to re-sign with any team as part of the trade, and even if he speaks favorably of the trade destination prior to the trade, he may still choose not to re-sign and walk like Dwight did. A commitment to re-sign is not allowed to be part of the trade discussions, according to the league.

At least not officially.

that rule is easy to skirt and teams do it all the time.... all westbrook has to do is come public with a wish list of teams he woudl consider or have his agent leak it. then OKC only deals with those teams. we see it all the time.

That happened with Dwight. So? It doesn't mean Westbrook has to re-sign with the team on his wishlist. Just like Dwight didn't re-sign with the Lakers.

[Prokorov]

That's not allowed by the league. Stern explicitly warned the Rockets and Thunder that they were not allowed to bring the subject up during trade negotiations. The Rockets were only allowed to broach the subject of an extension with Harden only after he was on their roster.

If they trade for him, it has to be with the risk of him walking. The team that trades for him may only broach the subject of a re-signing or extension after he is on their roster. The team trading him away may not discuss or attempt to get a commitment from him on the issue prior to trading him.

Whether you're trading for Harden, Teague, Westbrook, Dwight, Batum, whoever, you have to do it with the risk of them not re-signing or extending.

The player or his agent might indicate whether he views a potential trade or destination favorably or not. But it's non-binding. As we saw when Dwight put LA on his trade list, but then decided not to re-sign with the Lakers. Westbrook may not promise to re-sign with any team as part of the trade, and even if he speaks favorably of the trade destination prior to the trade, he may still choose not to re-sign and walk like Dwight did. A commitment to re-sign is not allowed to be part of the trade discussions, according to the league.

At least not officially.

that rule is easy to skirt and teams do it all the time.... all westbrook has to do is come public with a wish list of teams he woudl consider or have his agent leak it. then OKC only deals with those teams. we see it all the time.

That happened with Dwight. So? It doesn't mean Westbrook has to re-sign with the team on his wishlist. Just like Dwight didn't re-sign with the Lakers.

thats true, the player doesnt have to keep his word... but dwight is a moron. thats kind of a rare case.

if westbrook indicates he would resign, you make the trade, and take the risk he isnt lying.

its WAY to hard to get a top 5-10 nba player to not take that risk

[spaceballer]

that rule is easy to skirt and teams do it all the time.... all westbrook has to do is come public with a wish list of teams he woudl consider or have his agent leak it. then OKC only deals with those teams. we see it all the time.

That happened with Dwight. So? It doesn't mean Westbrook has to re-sign with the team on his wishlist. Just like Dwight didn't re-sign with the Lakers.

thats true, the player doesnt have to keep his word... but dwight is a moron. thats kind of a rare case.

if westbrook indicates he would resign, you make the trade, and take the risk he isnt lying.

its WAY to hard to get a top 5-10 nba player to not take that risk

Dwight didn't lie. Just because a team is on his wishlist that his agent put out doesn't indicate any promise from him of re-signing.

I wouldn't expect Westbrook to make any such promise with any wishlist his agent puts out either. Any agent worth his salt would know better. A wishlist only indicates a greater likelihood of re-signing, but it is not a promise (neither implicit nor explicit) that they will re-sign. If you make such a promise, you lose leverage in negotiations during free agency.

Yes, he'll get an auto-max, but there are also other things like player options and trade kickers and whatnot that can also be part of negotiations. As well as using free agency and the threat of leaving to exert influence over the shaping of the roster in the off-season, or even the firing or hiring of a coach or GM, potentially, if you're a super star. No agent would allow his client to commit to re-signing with a team ahead of free agency. The wishlist only indicates a greater likelihood.

So there's no "lying" about re-signing, because no such promise is made via the wishlist. Dwight didn't make any such promise when he leaked his wishlist. Westbrook will also make no such promise about re-signing if and when his agent leaks a wishlist.

I'm not saying it's not worth the risk. It absolutely is worth the risk. I'm just saying that there is no promise of the player re-signing. Teams that trade for him do so knowing the risk.

[shakendfries]

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Speak for Yourself roundtable discusses whether it would be disappointing if Ben Simmons was the next Draymond Green
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Thoughts?

[hood30]

I noticed the Nets hasn't reached the minimum salary floor and they're under the floor by $9M...Does that means they have to bring a player or a few players to cover the required floor which is an extra $9M?

Also, are they forced to reach the floor or is it a penalty if they chose to not do so?

[CalamityX12]

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Speak for Yourself roundtable discusses whether it would be disappointing if Ben Simmons was the next Draymond Green
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Thoughts?

As important of a player that Green is to the Warriors, make no mistake he's no Steph or Klay...

So i get it from that standpoint, as a #1, you're often expected to be produce and lead as a conventional #1.... Green is a #3, does everything very well and scores well as the 3rd option.

[shakendfries]

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Speak for Yourself roundtable discusses whether it would be disappointing if Ben Simmons was the next Draymond Green
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Thoughts?

As important of a player that Green is to the Warriors, make no mistake he's no Steph or Klay...

So i get it from that standpoint, as a #1, you're often expected to be produce and lead as a conventional #1.... Green is a #3, does everything very well and scores well as the 3rd option.

This, and the fact that Hinkie's used all these No 1 picks to draft players who are looking like they'll develop into role players at best (Noel, Okafor, Embiid looked like a generational talent before injury) would make Simmons developing into a #3 a let down - especially with everyone billing him as Lebron. I see the strength, the uncanny passing instinct there for Simmons, but unless he works on the other aspects of his game, jump shooting, responding to pressure, defense, and puts it all together - including the leadership we didn't see at LSU he might very well become a Draymond. Even if he becomes a player like Vince Carter I don't think fans and pundits will be satisfied with another "good not great" draft pick...and Vince had monster seasons, but never finished higher than 14th in MVP voting as an individual talent

[ChokeFasncists]

And then there's the specter of Ingram becoming a KD

[DartboardT]

I noticed the Nets hasn't reached the minimum salary floor and they're under the floor by $9M...Does that means they have to bring a player or a few players to cover the required floor which is an extra $9M?

Also, are they forced to reach the floor or is it a penalty if they chose to not do so?

Larry Coon's Salary Cap FAQ (Question 15) says:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

"Teams with a team salary below the minimum are surcharged for their shortfall, with the money distributed among the players on that team."

Not sure how that works exactly. Distributed evenly, or based on relative salary cap shares of the players? Some other formula? Beats me.

[shakendfries]

And then there's the specter of Ingram becoming a KD

Yeah, but the Ingram/KD comparison is in reference to their inherent scoring ability. Ingram has the length and fluidity to get his shot over anyone. Add a few more lbs and as long as he can average 20+ppg in a few seasons, he'll have lived up to the hype.

The Sixers have tanked for 4 or 5 seasons to get a player like Ben Simmons. His development is ultimately going to determine whether the franchise's direction over this extended time period was successful - and nothing less than elevating the team beyond his individual contributions will be successful.

The Sixers tanked for Embiid, Noel, Okafor, MCW, Elfrid Payton pretty much since 2013 and have nothing to show for it. Keep in mind, they've let players go -like Turner, Vucevic, Thad Young - who are decent players, because they were of the belief that without a high lottery pick there is no way to compete in the NBA. The Sixers got the piece that they've tanked for even though other teams have been complaining to Adam Silver that the way the lottery is set up encourages teams losing. Hinkie ultimately got fired because of this pressure from around the league. A lot of pressure has befallen on Simmons as a result.

[ChokeFasncists]

And then there's the specter of Ingram becoming a KD

Yeah, but the Ingram/KD comparison is in reference to their inherent scoring ability. Ingram has the length and fluidity to get his shot over anyone. Add a few more lbs and as long as he can average 20+ppg in a few seasons, he'll have lived up to the hype.

The Sixers have tanked for 4 or 5 seasons to get a player like Ben Simmons. His development is ultimately going to determine whether the franchise's direction over this extended time period was successful - and nothing less than elevating the team beyond his individual contributions will be successful.

The Sixers tanked for Embiid, Noel, Okafor, MCW, Elfrid Payton pretty much since 2013 and have nothing to show for it. Keep in mind, they've let players go -like Turner, Vucevic, Thad Young - who are decent players, because they were of the belief that without a high lottery pick there is no way to compete in the NBA. The Sixers got the piece that they've tanked for even though other teams have been complaining to Adam Silver that the way the lottery is set up encourages teams losing. Hinkie ultimately got fired because of this pressure from around the league. A lot of pressure has befallen on Simmons as a result.

Cool, but what I was saying was that, if Simmons doesn't pan out and Ingram becomes great, it'd be another blow to the Sixers' plan.

[shakendfries]

Bold prediction: Michael Jordan will force Charlotte to trade Kemba Walker to OKC for Russell Westbrook

[NyCeEvO]

Bold prediction: Michael Jordan will force Charlotte to trade Kemba Walker to OKC for Russell Westbrook

I'd rather take the cap space gained by letting Russell walk than let Walker be the starting PG unless I received other compensation or wanted to tank.

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[shakendfries]

Bold prediction: Michael Jordan will force Charlotte to trade Kemba Walker to OKC for Russell Westbrook

I'd rather take the cap space gained by letting Russell walk than let Walker be the starting PG unless I received other compensation or wanted to tank.

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I can't argue with you if you're not a Walker fan, and would prefer cap space and an asset like a lottery pick. However, OKC is a small market and it will be very tough to recruit FAs to play there, especially if they're not competitive. Just look at Portland, who lost all of their UFAs 2years ago, but were able to get the most out of their RFAs this offseason.

From OKC's perspective, they're going to have to overpay their own RFAs from this point forward so they might as well acquire a player who can help them float for a few seasons. Walker is arguably a better immediate contributor than anything OKC can get from Boston, but most importantly by dealing for Walker, OKC would have him for 3 years.

PG - Waker(3yr) / Payne(3yr- RFA)
SG - Oladipo(1yr - RFA)
SF - Roberson(1yr - RFA)
PF - Illyasova(1yr - RFA) /Sabonis (rookie)
C - Adams(1yr -RFA)/Kanter (3yr)

Unless Boston is willing to part with Isiah Thomas, which is entirely possible but is less likely Westbrook is unwilling to agree to an extension before the deal, Charlotte is a team that could make an intriguing offer if they're willing to take the risk. For a franchise that has never landed a big time free agent, Charlotte should definitely consider the risk.