The Official Lin Net Thread

[Lorenzomax7]

He will not be that kind of modern-age pg who would chuck up 15+ fga inefficiently. He is a combination of high basketball IQ, laid back attitude and team-first spirit. Putting in a simple way, he is gonna play what the defense gives him.

and what teams are going to give him is tons of 1 on 1 opportunities and tons of chances to create shots. teams arent doubling lopez and they arent rotating and trapping. they are gonna play guys straight up, because the only way the nets can hurt you is if you start doubling and helping and giving their bad players who cant score easy shots.

1) If his teammates are given tons of space by the defense but making only 1/3 of the 3s, he might be shooting much less... cuz he simply can't beat 3 defenders by his own in the paint every time.

i dont see teams giving anyone space... like last year, they will play it straight up and dare the nets players to beat them 1 on 1, and in fashion where they get outscored (ubnlikely with how bad the nets are defensively, 2nd worst last season)

Depends on his teammates' abilities and the new system they are trying to run, I guess Lin would shoot ~14 fga per game and average more than 18 pts.

i dont see any scenario where lin has less then 15 FGA. there is simply not enough guys to take shots other then him, lopez and bogs... and lopez isnt a very aggressive player and only plays like 30-32 minutes a night.

your over thinking it. it has nothing to do with selfishness, its sheer need. he has to take those shots cause we dont have other guys who can create offense

Being unselfish is what Lin was known for. He would pass out whenever the trap or doubling is coming. He will beat the opponents by pnrs easily if he couldn't beat them by 1-on-1, eventually the traps would happen and the space for his teammates to generate theirs shots would show up. The opponents would not allow Lin to beat them consistently just becuz they refused to trap him. See what happened in the Hornets vs Heat series, Lin beat them by drives and took 13 fga and 6 fta within 30 mins per game. And when the Heat changed their strategy trapping him the whole game in G5, he went back to the "assisting mode" and only took 10 fga and 6 fta in 34.5 mins. The Hornets was 12/24 from beyond the arc that night and Al Jefferson had 14 easy points in just 21 mins of play.

[tonman]

Extremely well means has a high chance to secure a playoff spot, which we all agreed that it is not even remotely a possibility.

For clarity, YOU agreed there is not a remote possibility Nets secure a playoff spot - you would be wrong.
YOU agreed the Nets are going to be uncompetitive, really bad and there are gonna be a lot of blowouts - again you would be wrong.

other then non-net fans who joined only cause of Lin, none of the long time nets fans predicted more then 20-30 wins, with most 28 and under and a few under 20.

the media and big sports networks all have us bottom 2 in the east.

we might surpass that, but i think the common thinking between both long time nets fans and local and national media is a really bad 25ish win team

Uh I'm a Lin fan and I said this team would be lucky to win 25 games. Go to the predictions thread. Therefore just speak for yourself and don't lump all fans into one convenient grouping. If I lumped you in with all long time Nets fans, I'd be roasted so stop.

[ChokeFasncists]

We shall see. Lin PnRs with bigs require help D in most situations; especially if his pull up is money. If Brook indeed doesn't roll and teams don't have to help, I can see more PnRs with Booker and RHJ with Brook spreading the floor with midrange Js.

[Lorenzomax7]

33-36 wins next season. book it.

[DartboardT]

Anything over like 25 wins is money for this board.

With a little luck and good team health I think this is attainable.

[DartboardT]

How can JLin's teammates NOT set picks and screens for him, right?

At Hornets, they did a decent, not superior job of that, I expect Nets are similarly unselfish. Should give Lin SOME space. And the better his accuracy actually turns out to be, the more control he exerts over defenses. He drew plenty of attention despite two really bad 3PT shooting months.

[sidestep]

How can JLin's teammates NOT set picks and screens for him, right?

At Hornets, they did a decent, not superior job of that, I expect Nets are similarly unselfish.

Setting screens is not just a matter of attitude (selfish or not) -- it's a real skill, and probably the most neglected and underrated skill among bigs. The timing, the angle, and especially, if the ball handler doesn't use the first pick, being able to re-screen at a different position and direction. And making sure the pick makes contact with the defender before moving, unless it's a trap. Tyson and Ed Davis are the only bigs Lin played with that were good at this. Cody Zeller, low BBIQ. The worst was probably Jordan Hill, who slips the pick even before it makes contact, and slips out just to shoot an ineffectual long 2.

Lopez sometimes slips the pick early before bumping the defender, but, most of all, I think the tricky part is whether Lopez will give up post position in order to come up to set picks. I've seen him expect to be fed the ball even when he hasn't established deep post position. Lopez is a smart guy and a team player, and Atkinson seems very detail oriented, so I'm not worried about this issue. But Atkinson is going to have to find a balance between using Lopez in the post and using him in screens, and that proportion may take Lopez out of his comfort zone a bit.

[Roy Tarpley]

33-36 wins next season. book it.

I'm rounding it up to 35 and booking it on the predictions thread!

[Roy Tarpley]

How can JLin's teammates NOT set picks and screens for him, right?

At Hornets, they did a decent, not superior job of that, I expect Nets are similarly unselfish.

Setting screens is not just a matter of attitude (selfish or not) -- it's a real skill, and probably the most neglected and underrated skill among bigs. The timing, the angle, and especially, if the ball handler doesn't use the first pick, being able to re-screen at a different position and direction. And making sure the pick makes contact with the defender before moving, unless it's a trap. Tyson and Ed Davis are the only bigs Lin played with that were good at this. Cody Zeller, low BBIQ. The worst was probably Jordan Hill, who slips the pick even before it makes contact, and slips out just to shoot an ineffectual long 2.

Lopez sometimes slips the pick early before bumping the defender, but, most of all, I think the tricky part is whether Lopez will give up post position in order to come up to set picks. I've seen him expect to be fed the ball even when he hasn't established deep post position. Lopez is a smart guy and a team player, and Atkinson seems very detail oriented, so I'm not worried about this issue. But Atkinson is going to have to find a balance between using Lopez in the post and using him in screens, and that proportion may take Lopez out of his comfort zone a bit.

No one on the Hornets could set a decent pick. Maybe Hawes was okay. Jefferson was terrible, I'm surprised he didn't get called for an illegal pick each time. Booker is apparently good at setting picks.

[sidestep]

How can JLin's teammates NOT set picks and screens for him, right?

At Hornets, they did a decent, not superior job of that, I expect Nets are similarly unselfish.

Setting screens is not just a matter of attitude (selfish or not) -- it's a real skill, and probably the most neglected and underrated skill among bigs. The timing, the angle, and especially, if the ball handler doesn't use the first pick, being able to re-screen at a different position and direction. And making sure the pick makes contact with the defender before moving, unless it's a trap. Tyson and Ed Davis are the only bigs Lin played with that were good at this. Cody Zeller, low BBIQ. The worst was probably Jordan Hill, who slips the pick even before it makes contact, and slips out just to shoot an ineffectual long 2.

Lopez sometimes slips the pick early before bumping the defender, but, most of all, I think the tricky part is whether Lopez will give up post position in order to come up to set picks. I've seen him expect to be fed the ball even when he hasn't established deep post position. Lopez is a smart guy and a team player, and Atkinson seems very detail oriented, so I'm not worried about this issue. But Atkinson is going to have to find a balance between using Lopez in the post and using him in screens, and that proportion may take Lopez out of his comfort zone a bit.

No one on the Hornets could set a decent pick. Maybe Hawes was okay. Jefferson was terrible, I'm surprised he didn't get called for an illegal pick each time. Booker is apparently good at setting picks.

I forget where I read it but I saw a post in which a Nets fan expressed concern that Lin is more likely to use the pick to score himself instead of looking for the roll man. This is a misperception but it does have a basis in last year. On the Hornets, Lin often didn't use the pick by going on the pick's other side, or attacking before the pick was set. This made the suckiness of the roll man a moot point, and avoided getting doubled off the pick, but still pulled the defending big man up from the paint. Lin won't have to resort to that so much this year, though not using the pick can sometimes be the right choice regardless.

Fortunately Lopez has good hands. Unlike Zeller, who seemed to fumble any bounce pass in the paint that wasn't at his chest, and if he did manage to catch a bounce pass, he is just as likely to get the ball pried from him. He had a remarkable ability to lose the ball after catching it in traffic hehe. As for Al, it wasn't just that he didn't set good picks, but that his comfort zone was in something opposite, that is, in establishing post position instead. That's what I meant by the comfort zone thing, since Lopez is also a skilled post player.

[spaceballer]

Yormark tweets about being on the media interview circuit in China talking about the Nets going global with JLin.

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[TinmanZBoy]

How can JLin's teammates NOT set picks and screens for him, right?

At Hornets, they did a decent, not superior job of that, I expect Nets are similarly unselfish.

Setting screens is not just a matter of attitude (selfish or not) -- it's a real skill, and probably the most neglected and underrated skill among bigs. The timing, the angle, and especially, if the ball handler doesn't use the first pick, being able to re-screen at a different position and direction. And making sure the pick makes contact with the defender before moving, unless it's a trap. Tyson and Ed Davis are the only bigs Lin played with that were good at this. Cody Zeller, low BBIQ. The worst was probably Jordan Hill, who slips the pick even before it makes contact, and slips out just to shoot an ineffectual long 2.

Lopez sometimes slips the pick early before bumping the defender, but, most of all, I think the tricky part is whether Lopez will give up post position in order to come up to set picks. I've seen him expect to be fed the ball even when he hasn't established deep post position. Lopez is a smart guy and a team player, and Atkinson seems very detail oriented, so I'm not worried about this issue. But Atkinson is going to have to find a balance between using Lopez in the post and using him in screens, and that proportion may take Lopez out of his comfort zone a bit.

No one on the Hornets could set a decent pick. Maybe Hawes was okay. Jefferson was terrible, I'm surprised he didn't get called for an illegal pick each time. Booker is apparently good at setting picks.

Cody Zeller is pretty good at setting screens and rolling to the basket... Hornets' system is pretty good at PnR plays, they were doing multiple PnRs, one after another, basically that's all they do, predictable but hard to defend.... even their guards were setting screens for each other, Lin actually was one of the best who set up backdoor screens...

[DartboardT]

Lopez sometimes slips the pick early before bumping the defender, but, most of all, I think the tricky part is whether Lopez will give up post position in order to come up to set picks. I've seen him expect to be fed the ball even when he hasn't established deep post position. Lopez is a smart guy and a team player, and Atkinson seems very detail oriented, so I'm not worried about this issue. But Atkinson is going to have to find a balance between using Lopez in the post and using him in screens, and that proportion may take Lopez out of his comfort zone a bit.

I think the probability that Lopez gets much easier looks at the basket makes it, well, easier for him to play the roll man, as long as it's something he's capable of doing (and he is, right, just not a preference thing?). Lin is good enough at finding bigs.

I need to find me some Brook highlights to get a better feel for his game. Good hands, and an in-prime player versus Jefferson, who, let's face it, wasn't (also, dude, the pot suspension ). As far as Zeller, not sure he's really a starting 4/5.

There should be good Brook-Lin + team PnR MOMENTS this upcoming season if nothing else.

[TinmanZBoy]

i don't worry a bit of chemistry between Brook and Lin on offense... I'd expect them to do well on offense and make the whole team offense flow well.... the Nets' offense probably will be at least in the middle pack of the league.....

[spaceballer]

In an instagram post, Eugene Cho, founder of One Day's Wages (a charity that is part of the global anti-poverty movement), talks about how this collaboration with JLin began:

Exciting news! While I can't share the specifics yet, Jeremy Lin (@jlin7) and @onedayswages will be partnering together.
About a year ago, Jeremy reached out after he read my book, Overrated. We talked about, faith, gospel, justice, tenacity, influence, breaking ankles with our crossovers. Eventually, one thing led to another and then dreaming about collaboration for the greater Kingdom.

I appreciate his heart, his humility, and his commitment to use his platform for Christ. And of course, I'm thrilled for his new chapter as the starting point guard for the Brooklyn Nets. He's gonna have a great season. #jeremylin #linsanity #onedayswages #nba #brooklynnets

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Interesting that this came about because Jeremy read a book and decided to pursue the topic. I guess he wasn't kidding when he said he actively looks for charities to get involved in. Most athletes would probably delegate looking for a charity to their agent or PR people or something, instead of actually reading books by the founders of charities.

I kind of hoped he'd find something more local though (ODW is based in Seattle). Or maybe this won't be the only charity he works with (I think he worked with 3 when he was in Houston).

And it looks like people have started receiving their Quarterly boxes from JLin. This one looks to include Brooklyn Nets swag. Is that a Nets paddle or spatula or something?

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[Kswiss]

Setting screens is not just a matter of attitude (selfish or not) -- it's a real skill, and probably the most neglected and underrated skill among bigs. The timing, the angle, and especially, if the ball handler doesn't use the first pick, being able to re-screen at a different position and direction. And making sure the pick makes contact with the defender before moving, unless it's a trap. Tyson and Ed Davis are the only bigs Lin played with that were good at this. Cody Zeller, low BBIQ. The worst was probably Jordan Hill, who slips the pick even before it makes contact, and slips out just to shoot an ineffectual long 2.

Lopez sometimes slips the pick early before bumping the defender, but, most of all, I think the tricky part is whether Lopez will give up post position in order to come up to set picks. I've seen him expect to be fed the ball even when he hasn't established deep post position. Lopez is a smart guy and a team player, and Atkinson seems very detail oriented, so I'm not worried about this issue. But Atkinson is going to have to find a balance between using Lopez in the post and using him in screens, and that proportion may take Lopez out of his comfort zone a bit.

No one on the Hornets could set a decent pick. Maybe Hawes was okay. Jefferson was terrible, I'm surprised he didn't get called for an illegal pick each time. Booker is apparently good at setting picks.

I forget where I read it but I saw a post in which a Nets fan expressed concern that Lin is more likely to use the pick to score himself instead of looking for the roll man. This is a misperception but it does have a basis in last year. On the Hornets, Lin often didn't use the pick by going on the pick's other side, or attacking before the pick was set. This made the suckiness of the roll man a moot point, and avoided getting doubled off the pick, but still pulled the defending big man up from the paint. Lin won't have to resort to that so much this year, though not using the pick can sometimes be the right choice regardless.

Fortunately Lopez has good hands. Unlike Zeller, who seemed to fumble any bounce pass in the paint that wasn't at his chest, and if he did manage to catch a bounce pass, he is just as likely to get the ball pried from him. He had a remarkable ability to lose the ball after catching it in traffic hehe. As for Al, it wasn't just that he didn't set good picks, but that his comfort zone was in something opposite, that is, in establishing post position instead. That's what I meant by the comfort zone thing, since Lopez is also a skilled post player.

Yea I gotta agree Lopez will be a nice change of pace for Lin. It's unbelievable how many bad finishers Lin has had to feed early in his career:
Asik
Boozer
Hill
Sacre
Hawes
Kamisnky
Zeller (worst NBA big I've seen)

I'm amazed Lin has kept his assists as high as they've been. The only good bigs he's ever played with have been Dwight (though he was injured that year and didn't play with Lin much) and Ed Davis (who tank commander Scott forciblely kept apart from Jlin) it's gonna be exciting for Lin to have quality finishers in Booker and Lopez. The Hornets won 48 games with far less talent than is on this roster so I could definitely see the Nets as a surprise playoff team.

[sidestep]

@Kswiss, I don't consider post-Orlando Dwight to be even an above average PnR player. First off, he wants to be Hakeem instead of the grit and grind of setting picks; he really doesn't like doing it, so it's no surprise he's not very good at it. He doesn't set good picks, doesn't have the instincts to find open spaces to create a passing lane to himself -- he merely expects a lob, that's it. It's shocking how many times Dwight will not be ready for a pass bc he didn't expect it. And god forbid if you bounce pass below his waist, he's unable to catch it -- again, lobs only. The occasional flashy dunk does not make up for the rest of his PnR play which is poor. I have similar frustrations watching Zeller but Dwight is straight stupid.

So, by my count, the only good rollman Lin has had in the last four years (!) is Ed Davis, and Byron refused to play them together.

[MrDollarBills]

In an instagram post, Eugene Cho, founder of One Day's Wages (a charity that is part of the global anti-poverty movement), talks about how this collaboration with JLin began:

Exciting news! While I can't share the specifics yet, Jeremy Lin (@jlin7) and @onedayswages will be partnering together.
About a year ago, Jeremy reached out after he read my book, Overrated. We talked about, faith, gospel, justice, tenacity, influence, breaking ankles with our crossovers. Eventually, one thing led to another and then dreaming about collaboration for the greater Kingdom.

I appreciate his heart, his humility, and his commitment to use his platform for Christ. And of course, I'm thrilled for his new chapter as the starting point guard for the Brooklyn Nets. He's gonna have a great season. #jeremylin #linsanity #onedayswages #nba #brooklynnets

Spoiler:

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Interesting that this came about because Jeremy read a book and decided to pursue the topic. I guess he wasn't kidding when he said he actively looks for charities to get involved in. Most athletes would probably delegate looking for a charity to their agent or PR people or something, instead of actually reading books by the founders of charities.

I kind of hoped he'd find something more local though (ODW is based in Seattle). Or maybe this won't be the only charity he works with (I think he worked with 3 when he was in Houston).

And it looks like people have started receiving their Quarterly boxes from JLin. This one looks to include Brooklyn Nets swag. Is that a Nets paddle or spatula or something?

Spoiler:

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LIN LIKES CALVIN AND HOBBES!!! AWESOME.

that in itself...speaks volumes about his character.

[Paradise]

Jeremy says he's working on his shot with the help of advanced metrics.

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[DartboardT]

(about JLin's blog post)

He's also planning on the old(er)-man-PG phase, which we kind of already saw at Hornets last year with Lin's really-quite-good change-of-pace aspect. If the ball keeps moving, he can mix in some half-court sets, no problem. He's just beginning his prime playing years, but smart to think ahead.

If he's looking at all angles of his jump shot, he'll know there isn't much to change, he just has to turn his "energy-saver" shot form changes from last offseason into muscle memory and results. As I've pointed out more than once, so I won't re-re-post, JLin only really had two bad 3-point shooting months with the Hornets. They were truly abysmal, but everything else averaged out just fine, and he was uptrending post-All-Star Break, right along with the most of the rest of the Hornets.