This offseason

[FlipFlopShot]

You guys ok with another losing season? We can run with our draft picks right out of the gate.

If the stars align we may be able to draft OG Anunoby at 22nd.
Then we pick a big at 27th. (Jarret Allen or Justin Patton or Bam Adebayo or Harry Giles)

We strikeout during free agency with only getting Mike Muscala (Atkinson connection and wants to start) who can fill out either remaining interior spot. JJ Redick, Paul Millsap, Patty Mills and everyone will be ring chasing.

Without Lopez:

Jeremy Lin / Spencer Dinwiddie
Caris LeVert / Archie Goodwin
OG Anunoby / Joe Harris
Mike Muscala / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Jarret Allen / ???

With Lopez:

Jeremy Lin / Spencer Dinwiddie
Caris LeVert / Archie Goodwin
Joe Harris / OG Anunoby
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson / Mike Muscala
Brook Lopez / Jarret Allen

wheres kj mcdaniels and sean kilpatrick? is og a good shooter/offensive player? is he dropping to 22?

We still got roster space. It'll be up to Mark to decide if he wants more vets or current remaining roster. I'm big on OG if he does drop down to 22nd but it can be any of the drafts. We'll have holes from the 3 to the 5.

[Hello Brooklyn]

IMO the Nets biggest hope at this point is try and use the Celtics model and then draw a big name Free Agent to come and play in New York.

The problem is is requires a lot of luck. Were not going to have a lottery pick next year, so maybe our best chances is to just get lucky and hope we can find a player like Jimmy Butler or IT late in the draft.

[Prokorov]

L, L, L, L, L,
L, L, L, L, L,
L, W, L, L, L,
L, L, L, L, L,
L, L, L, L, L, L

so what, these guys only played better the day Lin came back and onward?

L, L, W, L, L,
W, L, W, L, L,
W, W, L, W, L,
L, W, W, W, L,
W, L, L

I really want to hear the logic behind saying RHJ/Whitehead/LeVert improved solely because of Jeremy Lin.

Better question is where IN-the-ABOVE you logically see evidence of "season long progression"? Progression has implications : improvement, development, progress.

I suspect the answer is once again the standard response: "don't care if we WIN zero, 0-82 acceptable", if such is the case, there's no point in attempting further rational/logical discussion on this subject.

Why would you ever measure the development of rookies in wins? that makes no sense. obviously lin is a big part of us winning more games. veteran talent gets you more wins. but rookie development is not measured that way. you need to look more at individual metrics. RHJ took off mostly when moved to power forward and levert got progressively better from feb to march to april. same with whitehead over the seasons arch.

Wins dont matter when your focus is development. this isnt some irrational thought, its the stated premise from the franchise. "we wont measure ourselves by wins"

look at the wolves and sixers. loaded with young talent. is there talent not improving because of loses? unless one of your young guys turns into a superstar top 5ish player(milwaukee) you wont win much while your young guys are developing unless you have vet talent around them... like when lin came back from injury.

[Prokorov]

You guys ok with another losing season? We can run with our draft picks right out of the gate.

If the stars align we may be able to draft OG Anunoby at 22nd.
Then we pick a big at 27th. (Jarret Allen or Justin Patton or Bam Adebayo or Harry Giles)

We strikeout during free agency with only getting Mike Muscala (Atkinson connection and wants to start) who can fill out either remaining interior spot. JJ Redick, Paul Millsap, Patty Mills and everyone will be ring chasing.

Without Lopez:

Jeremy Lin / Spencer Dinwiddie
Caris LeVert / Archie Goodwin
OG Anunoby / Joe Harris
Mike Muscala / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Jarret Allen / ???

With Lopez:

Jeremy Lin / Spencer Dinwiddie
Caris LeVert / Archie Goodwin
Joe Harris / OG Anunoby
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson / Mike Muscala
Brook Lopez / Jarret Allen

sign me up for another 20 win season if it means the same development from our current young guys plus the ones we draft.

[Prokorov]

IMO the Nets biggest hope at this point is try and use the Celtics model and then draw a big name Free Agent to come and play in New York.

The problem is is requires a lot of luck. Were not going to have a lottery pick next year, so maybe our best chances is to just get lucky and hope we can find a player like Jimmy Butler or IT late in the draft.

Agree with the celtics model... we are similar to their year 1 under stevens... when we need next is to do what ainge did... trade rondo, their best player at the time and find someone to give us a pick and someone like jae crowder... a non allstar but a young 2 way guy who makes an impact.

Lopez for Crowder-esque guy plus a first would be a great step in the right direction. then the following offseason we make a run at free agent and maybe get lucky in the draft

[MrDollarBills]

You guys ok with another losing season? We can run with our draft picks right out of the gate.

If the stars align we may be able to draft OG Anunoby at 22nd.
Then we pick a big at 27th. (Jarret Allen or Justin Patton or Bam Adebayo or Harry Giles)

We strikeout during free agency with only getting Mike Muscala (Atkinson connection and wants to start) who can fill out either remaining interior spot. JJ Redick, Paul Millsap, Patty Mills and everyone will be ring chasing.

Without Lopez:

Jeremy Lin / Spencer Dinwiddie
Caris LeVert / Archie Goodwin
OG Anunoby / Joe Harris
Mike Muscala / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Jarret Allen / ???

With Lopez:

Jeremy Lin / Spencer Dinwiddie
Caris LeVert / Archie Goodwin
Joe Harris / OG Anunoby
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson / Mike Muscala
Brook Lopez / Jarret Allen

I'm cool with another losing season, I really don't think we should spend a lot of money honestly. I'd rather keep Lopez unless the deal is right, and let whoever we draft at C be eased into his role instead of just tossing some kid out there and expecting big things from the get go.

[MrDollarBills]

IMO the Nets biggest hope at this point is try and use the Celtics model and then draw a big name Free Agent to come and play in New York.

The problem is is requires a lot of luck. Were not going to have a lottery pick next year, so maybe our best chances is to just get lucky and hope we can find a player like Jimmy Butler or IT late in the draft.

We need to keep building incrementally and when the time comes to attract FA talent of a particular caliber, we will. But not a moment sooner.

That is why it is imperative that we do not lock ourselves into contracts that are too big just to post 35 wins. keep the cap space rolling over.

[MrDollarBills]

IMO the Nets biggest hope at this point is try and use the Celtics model and then draw a big name Free Agent to come and play in New York.

The problem is is requires a lot of luck. Were not going to have a lottery pick next year, so maybe our best chances is to just get lucky and hope we can find a player like Jimmy Butler or IT late in the draft.

Agree with the celtics model... we are similar to their year 1 under stevens... when we need next is to do what ainge did... trade rondo, their best player at the time and find someone to give us a pick and someone like jae crowder... a non allstar but a young 2 way guy who makes an impact.

Lopez for Crowder-esque guy plus a first would be a great step in the right direction. then the following offseason we make a run at free agent and maybe get lucky in the draft

if we can get a Rondo for Crowder like swap for Lopez we do it. IMO though, I don't think Lopez's value can net us anything. I just don't think that Lopez has value in a trade.

If we can get a 2018 mid to late 1st for Lopez, I consider ourselves fortunate.

[Prokorov]

IMO the Nets biggest hope at this point is try and use the Celtics model and then draw a big name Free Agent to come and play in New York.

The problem is is requires a lot of luck. Were not going to have a lottery pick next year, so maybe our best chances is to just get lucky and hope we can find a player like Jimmy Butler or IT late in the draft.

Agree with the celtics model... we are similar to their year 1 under stevens... when we need next is to do what ainge did... trade rondo, their best player at the time and find someone to give us a pick and someone like jae crowder... a non allstar but a young 2 way guy who makes an impact.

Lopez for Crowder-esque guy plus a first would be a great step in the right direction. then the following offseason we make a run at free agent and maybe get lucky in the draft

if we can get a Rondo for Crowder like swap for Lopez we do it. IMO though, I don't think Lopez's value can net us anything. I just don't think that Lopez has value in a trade.

If we can get a 2018 mid to late 1st for Lopez, I consider ourselves fortunate.

at the time, no one thought the return on rondo was special. the pick was "meh" and crowder was a nice role guy. we need to find that.

give me a heavily protected 2018 pick and a young 2 way guy and im good

[MrDollarBills]

Agree with the celtics model... we are similar to their year 1 under stevens... when we need next is to do what ainge did... trade rondo, their best player at the time and find someone to give us a pick and someone like jae crowder... a non allstar but a young 2 way guy who makes an impact.

Lopez for Crowder-esque guy plus a first would be a great step in the right direction. then the following offseason we make a run at free agent and maybe get lucky in the draft

if we can get a Rondo for Crowder like swap for Lopez we do it. IMO though, I don't think Lopez's value can net us anything. I just don't think that Lopez has value in a trade.

If we can get a 2018 mid to late 1st for Lopez, I consider ourselves fortunate.

at the time, no one thought the return on rondo was special. the pick was "meh" and crowder was a nice role guy. we need to find that.

give me a heavily protected 2018 pick and a young 2 way guy and im good

if a young two way prospect comes with the pick, I will agree its a win. But i would not trade Lopez for less than that.

Either way

MY OFFSEASON MANTRA IS NOW OFFICIALLY:





TIGHTEN UP THE PURSE STRINGS. NO MAX DEALS.

SAY NO TO OTTO PORTER. SAY NO TO CALDWELL POPE. SAY NO TO GEORGE HILL.

Invest time and resources into young players that we have here now and will obtain in the draft. Spend what amounts to mid level money on guys that might be around C Tier/international players.

Don't spend a DIME on anyone asking for big bucks. No one outside of the big dogs are worth max money, so why spend it.

Be cheap. be frugal. invest inward.

[vincecarter4pres]

Either way

MY OFFSEASON MANTRA IS NOW OFFICIALLY:





TIGHTEN UP THE PURSE STRINGS. NO MAX DEALS.

SAY NO TO OTTO PORTER. SAY NO TO CALDWELL POPE. SAY NO TO GEORGE HILL.

Invest time and resources into young players that we have here now and will obtain in the draft. Spend what amounts to mid level money on guys that might be around C Tier/international players.

Don't spend a DIME on anyone asking for big bucks. No one outside of the big dogs are worth max money, so why spend it.

Be cheap. be frugal. invest inward.

I agree as long as what you're saying is, get Milos for a cheap deal and then don't spend A DIME on anyone else unless it's a 1 year deal.

I don't want to see value contracts like Booker after a Milos signing. I want to see the cap rolled over for the next off-season.

[MrDollarBills]

Either way

MY OFFSEASON MANTRA IS NOW OFFICIALLY:





TIGHTEN UP THE PURSE STRINGS. NO MAX DEALS.

SAY NO TO OTTO PORTER. SAY NO TO CALDWELL POPE. SAY NO TO GEORGE HILL.

Invest time and resources into young players that we have here now and will obtain in the draft. Spend what amounts to mid level money on guys that might be around C Tier/international players.

Don't spend a DIME on anyone asking for big bucks. No one outside of the big dogs are worth max money, so why spend it.

Be cheap. be frugal. invest inward.

I agree as long as what you're saying is, get Milos for a cheap deal and then don't spend A DIME on anyone else unless it's a 1 year deal.

I don't want to see value contracts like Booker after a Milos signing. I want to see the cap rolled over for the next off-season.

Yep.

Don't spend a damn DIME.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still like Otto Porter and would spend for him.

The other guys, no.

[vincecarter4pres]

Either way

MY OFFSEASON MANTRA IS NOW OFFICIALLY:





TIGHTEN UP THE PURSE STRINGS. NO MAX DEALS.

SAY NO TO OTTO PORTER. SAY NO TO CALDWELL POPE. SAY NO TO GEORGE HILL.

Invest time and resources into young players that we have here now and will obtain in the draft. Spend what amounts to mid level money on guys that might be around C Tier/international players.

Don't spend a DIME on anyone asking for big bucks. No one outside of the big dogs are worth max money, so why spend it.

Be cheap. be frugal. invest inward.

I agree as long as what you're saying is, get Milos for a cheap deal and then don't spend A DIME on anyone else unless it's a 1 year deal.

I don't want to see value contracts like Booker after a Milos signing. I want to see the cap rolled over for the next off-season.

Yep.

Don't spend a damn DIME.

Yeah, we could be a great position in 18 and 19 if that's the case. Lopez comes off the books, maybe LeVert has turned into a star, one or more of the guys like RHJ, Dinwiddie or McDaniels becomes a top of the league elite role player type like a George Hill, or poor man's Marion. Maybe one of the picks from this draft is an up and comer looking like a future star. And then either you land a guy like Paul George or Kyrie to go with them, or you don't even need them, but you still have huge cap to land a Middleton and Favors to complete the team into a perennial contender.

Say something like this happens:

PG: up and coming star looking guy from 18 draft, already been starting 1 year(maybe Mitchell, or Ntilikina, etc.)
SG: LeVert(has become straight star, a la Hayward level)
SF: gaping hole
PF: RHJ(has become true legit starter at the position, a la poor man's Shawn Marion)
C: gaping hole

Bench: Milos, Dinwiddie, Whitehead, random big man, McDaniels

So this team is on the cusp, just coming off a 6 game defeat as the 7 or 8 seed, looking primed to transition to a contender if they can land the right glue pieces.

Still have 2 max slots and if not spent, guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie will use it up while getting paid. Boom. Sign a younger, yet seasoned veteran twosome of Middelton and Favors to man the 3 and the 5.

Love it.

[vincecarter4pres]

I still like Otto Porter and would spend for him.

The other guys, no.

Yeah, I agree with this sentiment myself. He's worth it and he'll be movable if he doesn't fit for whatever reasons. But, he's also a complete and total pipedream.

[Claud]

I still like Otto Porter and would spend for him.

The other guys, no.

Same. Dude is a perfect fit for our starting unit. Lin/CL/Potter/RHJ/Lopez is very solid.


I have very low expectations though... Wiz will definably match any offer imo.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still like Otto Porter and would spend for him.

The other guys, no.

Same. Dude is a perfect fit for our starting unit. Lin/CL/Potter/RHJ/Lopez is very solid.


I have very low expectations though... Wiz will definably match any offer imo.

IDK man.

Wizards are tying up a lot of money to Wall/Beal and Porter is gonna get maxed out.

I don't know anything about the Wizards owner, but maybe he doesn't wanna pay luxury tax for that.

Could be similar to the Harden situation, to a lesser degree.

But I agree. Not only is he a great fit, I also love his game. Its a 3 point shooting league and he is one of the best 3 point shooters in the NBA. I think he could be an all-star.

[Prokorov]

Either way

MY OFFSEASON MANTRA IS NOW OFFICIALLY:





TIGHTEN UP THE PURSE STRINGS. NO MAX DEALS.

SAY NO TO OTTO PORTER. SAY NO TO CALDWELL POPE. SAY NO TO GEORGE HILL.

Invest time and resources into young players that we have here now and will obtain in the draft. Spend what amounts to mid level money on guys that might be around C Tier/international players.

Don't spend a DIME on anyone asking for big bucks. No one outside of the big dogs are worth max money, so why spend it.

Be cheap. be frugal. invest inward.

I agree as long as what you're saying is, get Milos for a cheap deal and then don't spend A DIME on anyone else unless it's a 1 year deal.

I don't want to see value contracts like Booker after a Milos signing. I want to see the cap rolled over for the next off-season.

Glad everyone is finally coming around to this kind of thinking!

we dont need to be maxing role guys like porter and KCP... we done need killer mid level 10-15 million contracts even if its great value for someone like ingles. we need to hold that space until there is some one willing to take it who is a legit all star. if thats 3 or 4 years down the road so be it... right now our cap should be small investments in upside guys like milos or jackson and taking on salary with picks attached to it.

keep developing, keep adding assets

[Prokorov]

Fit is one thing... money is another. id love Porter at 15 million. not at 25 million. at that salary he is no longer a fit because he would need to be a 22/6/5 type player while keeping his efficiency and leading us to the playoffs.

[Vae Victus]

Ideally try to be decent next year and make a run for the POs led by Lin/BroLo/major FA acquisition.

Then in 2018 FA with Lin/Brolo gone try to swing for the fences and failing that, can tank for yoru own picks.