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Post#701 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:04 pm

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Karate Diop wrote:What a joke of a conference finals... Two teams that only made it this far because of injuries to their opponents...

I mean it's not a joke, although some luck goes into it. This season was always going to be a battle of attrition, kudos to the medical staffs and coaches who conditioned their rosters to be healthy and competitive at this point in the season.

We *used* to have the most respected trainers in the league, somehow we've lost that distinction. I knew when both DJ and Spencer questioned our protocols after acquiring COVID their first day of returning to pre-Orlando, that something had changed.

As for our coaching, well, our most effective adjustment all season was playing our stars more minutes. It's easy to say this in hindsight, but I knew that we were playing with fire. In the end, it's really no mystery: we had the oldest average age for our core, we force-fed them PT until they suffered repetitive stress injuries, and then we lost.


I wouldn't go that far. Harden, yes. I wouldn't blame Kyrie on the training staff though.
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Post#702 » by Prokorov » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:13 pm

The hawks didnt win because of injuries. they won because philly is a very flawed team that has nothing reliable after embiid and an overall losers mentality. they were always a layup once they ran into a good team. Doc did wonders. but you can only polish a turd so much.

the whole "no one to stop embiid thing" made me nausious whenever i heard it. we have like 3-4 years now of embiid dominating as a top seed and philly still losing.
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Post#703 » by Karate Diop » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:39 pm

Prokorov wrote:The hawks didnt win because of injuries. they won because philly is a very flawed team that has nothing reliable after embiid and an overall losers mentality. they were always a layup once they ran into a good team. Doc did wonders. but you can only polish a turd so much.

the whole "no one to stop embiid thing" made me nausious whenever i heard it. we have like 3-4 years now of embiid dominating as a top seed and philly still losing.


Philly is mentally soft and I'm not an Embiid fan but he was a shell of himself... If healthy I think Philly still comes out on top, the degeneration of Ben Simmons has been extremely mind-boggling though...
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Post#705 » by Paradise » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:17 pm

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He’s been listening to too much drill rap.

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Post#706 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:41 am

Karate Diop wrote:
Prokorov wrote:The hawks didnt win because of injuries. they won because philly is a very flawed team that has nothing reliable after embiid and an overall losers mentality. they were always a layup once they ran into a good team. Doc did wonders. but you can only polish a turd so much.

the whole "no one to stop embiid thing" made me nausious whenever i heard it. we have like 3-4 years now of embiid dominating as a top seed and philly still losing.


Philly is mentally soft and I'm not an Embiid fan but he was a shell of himself... If healthy I think Philly still comes out on top, the degeneration of Ben Simmons has been extremely mind-boggling though...

Ben Simmons should play C for a team. Pairing him with Embiid amplifies his deficiencies.
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Post#707 » by ecuhus1981 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:43 am

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yo Ben is a clown

And to think, I actually felt compassion for Simmons after his recent struggles, with media pundits roasting him and Philly fans booing him. Now, I want to join in on the ridicule.

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Post#708 » by Prokorov » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:03 pm

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Karate Diop wrote:
Prokorov wrote:The hawks didnt win because of injuries. they won because philly is a very flawed team that has nothing reliable after embiid and an overall losers mentality. they were always a layup once they ran into a good team. Doc did wonders. but you can only polish a turd so much.

the whole "no one to stop embiid thing" made me nausious whenever i heard it. we have like 3-4 years now of embiid dominating as a top seed and philly still losing.


Philly is mentally soft and I'm not an Embiid fan but he was a shell of himself... If healthy I think Philly still comes out on top, the degeneration of Ben Simmons has been extremely mind-boggling though...

Ben Simmons should play C for a team. Pairing him with Embiid amplifies his deficiencies.


The problem with playing him at center is that it minimizes his best ability - elite defense 1 through 4. if he is forced to defend 5s or his man is screening smalls that takes away his biggest impact and wastes him. I think he needs to be a PF on a team with a stretch 5 who isnt the focus of the offense like embiid is. like put him next to markannen type
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Post#709 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:04 pm

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Karate Diop wrote:
Philly is mentally soft and I'm not an Embiid fan but he was a shell of himself... If healthy I think Philly still comes out on top, the degeneration of Ben Simmons has been extremely mind-boggling though...

Ben Simmons should play C for a team. Pairing him with Embiid amplifies his deficiencies.


The problem with playing him at center is that it minimizes his best ability - elite defense 1 through 4. if he is forced to defend 5s or his man is screening smalls that takes away his biggest impact and wastes him. I think he needs to be a PF on a team with a stretch 5 who isnt the focus of the offense like embiid is. like put him next to markannen type

I don't disagree. He should be used as a filthy rich man's version of Claxton or Brown. Guard the opposing team's best player & set screens/play the dunker spot.
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Post#710 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:29 am

I find it interesting that the Hawks have forced Milwaukee to go to a small ball line up in the 4th.
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Post#711 » by Jay555 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:13 am

These Hawks are impressive.
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Post#712 » by Shark » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:20 am

Still see people sleeping on the Hawks. I'm not sure they would have been as easy a matchup for us as some seemed to think if we weren't at full health (good chance we wouldn't have been).
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Post#713 » by Prokorov » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:31 am

Shark wrote:Still see people sleeping on the Hawks. I'm not sure they would have been as easy a matchup for us as some seemed to think if we weren't at full health (good chance we wouldn't have been).


There good, but i mean, Philly is a trash team, and milwaukee was about to be swept before injuries hit us
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Post#714 » by ecuhus1981 » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:06 am

MrDollarBills wrote:I find it interesting that the Hawks have forced Milwaukee to go to a small ball line up in the 4th.

"Interesting", as in curious how our illustrious coaching staff couldn't do the same? Yup, same.

It's going to be annoying to see this Milwaukee team that gave us such a fight look utterly punchless against Atlanta. We were their finish line.
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Post#715 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:11 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I find it interesting that the Hawks have forced Milwaukee to go to a small ball line up in the 4th.

"Interesting", as in curious how our illustrious coaching staff couldn't do the same? Yup, same.

It's going to be annoying to see this Milwaukee team that gave us such a fight look utterly punchless against Atlanta. We were their finish line.



Exactly. They forced the Bucks into playing Giannis at center. They did this while still having Capella on the floor!!!!

Had we attacked Lopez relentlessly from Game 3 on, even regardless of our injury situation, forcing the Bucks to play small would have been the end for them. Instead Nash didn't utilize this strategy until the 2nd half of game 5 and all of game 7.

Having an actual coach who put in the time and study work in charge over a neophyte who leap frogged others due to nepotism and privilege makes a huge difference. Nate MacMillan probably watched tape of the Bucks defense and immediately saw the huge glaring hole in it whereas Nash...what the **** was this guy looking at!!!!!!?
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Post#716 » by Prokorov » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:37 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I find it interesting that the Hawks have forced Milwaukee to go to a small ball line up in the 4th.

"Interesting", as in curious how our illustrious coaching staff couldn't do the same? Yup, same.

It's going to be annoying to see this Milwaukee team that gave us such a fight look utterly punchless against Atlanta. We were their finish line.


Atlanta feasts on the 1-5 pick and roll with trae. you cant go under cause he is deadly from three and his floater is wet. and the hawks actually played their big guys who finish lobs

They would have scored 200 putitng lopez in the pick and roll.

We said all series, from day 1, put brook in the PnR and make him unplayable. when we did, we anihilated them. but then., game 6 it was like, nah were good no thanks.

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Post#717 » by Prokorov » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:40 pm

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ecuhus1981 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I find it interesting that the Hawks have forced Milwaukee to go to a small ball line up in the 4th.

"Interesting", as in curious how our illustrious coaching staff couldn't do the same? Yup, same.

It's going to be annoying to see this Milwaukee team that gave us such a fight look utterly punchless against Atlanta. We were their finish line.



Exactly. They forced the Bucks into playing Giannis at center. They did this while still having Capella on the floor!!!!

Had we attacked Lopez relentlessly from Game 3 on, even regardless of our injury situation, forcing the Bucks to play small would have been the end for them. Instead Nash didn't utilize this strategy until the 2nd half of game 5 and all of game 7.

Having an actual coach who put in the time and study work in charge over a neophyte who leap frogged others due to nepotism and privilege makes a huge difference. Nate MacMillan probably watched tape of the Bucks defense and immediately saw the huge glaring hole in it whereas Nash...what the **** was this guy looking at!!!!!!?


A dozen Black coaches and a couple female coaches got bypassed for a white dude with no experience because his white boss let him skip the line. Including the incumbent black head coach, who got demoted in this process.

The Nets were supposed to be better then this. sad. I know Kyrie wasnt really on board, and KD seemed indifferent. Wished they would have pressured more for a black/female coach... maybe they did.
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Post#718 » by Gooner » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:12 pm

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:"Interesting", as in curious how our illustrious coaching staff couldn't do the same? Yup, same.

It's going to be annoying to see this Milwaukee team that gave us such a fight look utterly punchless against Atlanta. We were their finish line.



Exactly. They forced the Bucks into playing Giannis at center. They did this while still having Capella on the floor!!!!

Had we attacked Lopez relentlessly from Game 3 on, even regardless of our injury situation, forcing the Bucks to play small would have been the end for them. Instead Nash didn't utilize this strategy until the 2nd half of game 5 and all of game 7.

Having an actual coach who put in the time and study work in charge over a neophyte who leap frogged others due to nepotism and privilege makes a huge difference. Nate MacMillan probably watched tape of the Bucks defense and immediately saw the huge glaring hole in it whereas Nash...what the **** was this guy looking at!!!!!!?


A dozen Black coaches and a couple female coaches got bypassed for a white dude with no experience because his white boss let him skip the line. Including the incumbent black head coach, who got demoted in this process.

The Nets were supposed to be better then this. sad. I know Kyrie wasnt really on board, and KD seemed indifferent. Wished they would have pressured more for a black/female coach... maybe they did.


KD approved of Nash coming to Brooklyn apparently. He will probably cost them another title next year, so Kyrie and Harden need to convince KD and ownership that Nash needs to go.
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Post#719 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:59 pm

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:"Interesting", as in curious how our illustrious coaching staff couldn't do the same? Yup, same.

It's going to be annoying to see this Milwaukee team that gave us such a fight look utterly punchless against Atlanta. We were their finish line.



Exactly. They forced the Bucks into playing Giannis at center. They did this while still having Capella on the floor!!!!

Had we attacked Lopez relentlessly from Game 3 on, even regardless of our injury situation, forcing the Bucks to play small would have been the end for them. Instead Nash didn't utilize this strategy until the 2nd half of game 5 and all of game 7.

Having an actual coach who put in the time and study work in charge over a neophyte who leap frogged others due to nepotism and privilege makes a huge difference. Nate MacMillan probably watched tape of the Bucks defense and immediately saw the huge glaring hole in it whereas Nash...what the **** was this guy looking at!!!!!!?


A dozen Black coaches and a couple female coaches got bypassed for a white dude with no experience because his white boss let him skip the line. Including the incumbent black head coach, who got demoted in this process.

The Nets were supposed to be better then this. sad. I know Kyrie wasnt really on board, and KD seemed indifferent. Wished they would have pressured more for a black/female coach... maybe they did.


Qualifications, time spent perfecting your craft and merit matter. Vaughn gets demoted, we pass on other candidates. The team suffered as a result.

Honestly, this is basically a microcosm of how rewarding privilege over hard work is harmful in general, lets take ethnicity and gender out of it for a second, despite the fact that you are 100% right to point to how this is white privilege/the good old boys club at work to the team's detriment.

How many work environments have you been in where you see people who are complete **** ups are elevated to positions of authority because of who they know or their connections over people on the ground floor who put in the work, offer new ideas, and know the ins and outs of the business? I've seen it so many times I've lost count. See it all the time at the company I work for. You wonder how in the hell did someone land a job making nearly six figures and they don't know the basics of xyz. Can't tell the back of their ass from the front, but they know how to set up an out of office message every Friday.

While in hindsight, our situation was not sustainable, we still could have beaten Milwaukee had Nash been able to figure things out way quicker. We're better off right now sitting this one out. But it still stings, and I have not much confidence in Steve Nash. Even less now as his coaching staff gets poached.

Now, does all of this make Sean Marks a bad guy? No. Not at all. I honestly think that he was being tone deaf at worst here because the optics looked terrible regarding Vaughn getting leapfrogged. I don't think he even realized it until it became a public issue last year...that's the problem with white privilege and systemic racism in general, it's so engrained into our society that it's difficult for people not on the outside looking in to see what's wrong, or how they are helping to perpetuate it, until it slaps them in the face.
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Post#720 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Prokorov wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I find it interesting that the Hawks have forced Milwaukee to go to a small ball line up in the 4th.

"Interesting", as in curious how our illustrious coaching staff couldn't do the same? Yup, same.

It's going to be annoying to see this Milwaukee team that gave us such a fight look utterly punchless against Atlanta. We were their finish line.


Atlanta feasts on the 1-5 pick and roll with trae. you cant go under cause he is deadly from three and his floater is wet. and the hawks actually played their big guys who finish lobs

They would have scored 200 putitng lopez in the pick and roll.

We said all series, from day 1, put brook in the PnR and make him unplayable. when we did, we anihilated them. but then., game 6 it was like, nah were good no thanks.

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We allowed them to keep Brook on the floor, and he made the Nets pay as he was a force inside defensively.
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