Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[vincecarter4pres]

All this stuff we’ve been discussing the last page and I’m still standing firm though… we must tank again next year. Pass on Giannis even if he’s there, just like we passed on Lillard. Pass on KD. Pass on Kyrie.

I do not care if we land Flagg, or Bailey, or Harper.

I do not care if we land another lotto pick either through Milwaukee, or a trade, or 3 of them with both.

I do not care if we find away to trade up to pick 2 or 3 without touching our ‘26 pick, after jumping to one of picks 1-3 through the lottery.

The ‘26 draft is just too good to miss out on that chance.

We gave up way too much value with Houston to get these two picks back, to then immediately pivot from a multi-year rebuild.

And I don’t care if we have to give a significant swap to Houston in ‘27 as a result.

There are at least 2 guys I’d take over Flagg in next year’s draft and at least another two in a dead heat with Bailey and Harper.

[Netaman]

All this stuff we’ve been discussing the last page and I’m still standing firm though… we must tank again next year. Pass on Giannis even if he’s there, just like we passed on Lillard. Pass on KD. Pass on Kyrie.

I do not care if we land Flagg, or Bailey, or Harper.

I do not care if we land another lotto pick either through Milwaukee, or a trade, or 3 of them with both.

I do not care if we find away to trade up to pick 2 or 3 without touching our ‘26 pick, after jumping to one of picks 1-3 through the lottery.

The ‘26 draft is just too good to miss out on that chance.

We gave up way too much value with Houston to get these two picks back, to then immediately pivot from a multi-year rebuild.

And I don’t care if we have to give a significant swap to Houston in ‘27 as a result.

There are at least 2 guys I’d take over Flagg in next year’s draft and at least another two in a dead heat with Bailey and Harper.

eh maybe but guys get overhyped years ahead of time every draft. i'm not getting spun up either way about 2026 draft yet.

we just saw what will end up being a transformational deadline. i think we'd have all been in for a Luka trade but it's not just the trade, it was the staggeringly low price. Fox too. The takeaway from both is that i think we simply need to be ready and willing to engage on anything because anything can happen in the next 12 months from 25 draft, to 25 offseason, to 26 deadline.

[vincecarter4pres]

All this stuff we’ve been discussing the last page and I’m still standing firm though… we must tank again next year. Pass on Giannis even if he’s there, just like we passed on Lillard. Pass on KD. Pass on Kyrie.

I do not care if we land Flagg, or Bailey, or Harper.

I do not care if we land another lotto pick either through Milwaukee, or a trade, or 3 of them with both.

I do not care if we find away to trade up to pick 2 or 3 without touching our ‘26 pick, after jumping to one of picks 1-3 through the lottery.

The ‘26 draft is just too good to miss out on that chance.

We gave up way too much value with Houston to get these two picks back, to then immediately pivot from a multi-year rebuild.

And I don’t care if we have to give a significant swap to Houston in ‘27 as a result.

There are at least 2 guys I’d take over Flagg in next year’s draft and at least another two in a dead heat with Bailey and Harper.

eh maybe but guys get overhyped years ahead of time every draft. i'm not getting spun up either way about 2026 draft yet.

we just saw what will end up being a transformational deadline. i think we'd have all been in for a Luka trade but it's not just the trade, it was the staggeringly low price. Fox too. The takeaway from both is that i think we simply need to be ready and willing to engage on anything because anything can happen in the next 12 months from 25 draft, to 25 offseason, to 26 deadline.

I’ll be honest, just sick of the shortcuts. Luka is different, he’s generational.

For all the fanfare they get, I’m not sure Anthony Edwards or even SGA are. Jokic, amazing, but how many more years is he the best player in the league, or dominant top 3 and then how long would it take to build a proper team around him, even if you can acquire him?

Boston is so complete.

Cavs are scary.

Thunder are loaded.

Wemby is just arriving.

Why are we in such a rush to be the Knicks or the Twolves?

Why are we in such a rush to dump all these excellent potential future unprotected picks?

Why are we in such a rush to form a pretender built around one rookie and Giannis that maybe maybe maybe wins one title and crumbles into extreme mediocrity?

Our window should be competing 2-3 years from now and contending in 3-5 from now with a decade of sustainability.

[Netaman]

All this stuff we’ve been discussing the last page and I’m still standing firm though… we must tank again next year. Pass on Giannis even if he’s there, just like we passed on Lillard. Pass on KD. Pass on Kyrie.

I do not care if we land Flagg, or Bailey, or Harper.

I do not care if we land another lotto pick either through Milwaukee, or a trade, or 3 of them with both.

I do not care if we find away to trade up to pick 2 or 3 without touching our ‘26 pick, after jumping to one of picks 1-3 through the lottery.

The ‘26 draft is just too good to miss out on that chance.

We gave up way too much value with Houston to get these two picks back, to then immediately pivot from a multi-year rebuild.

And I don’t care if we have to give a significant swap to Houston in ‘27 as a result.

There are at least 2 guys I’d take over Flagg in next year’s draft and at least another two in a dead heat with Bailey and Harper.

eh maybe but guys get overhyped years ahead of time every draft. i'm not getting spun up either way about 2026 draft yet.

we just saw what will end up being a transformational deadline. i think we'd have all been in for a Luka trade but it's not just the trade, it was the staggeringly low price. Fox too. The takeaway from both is that i think we simply need to be ready and willing to engage on anything because anything can happen in the next 12 months from 25 draft, to 25 offseason, to 26 deadline.

I’ll be honest, just sick of the shortcuts. Luka is different, he’s generational.

For all the fanfare they get, I’m not sure Anthony Edwards or even SGA are. Jokic, amazing, but how many more years is he the best player in the league, or dominant top 3 and then how long would it take to build a proper team around him, even if you can acquire him?

Boston is so complete.

Cavs are scary.

Thunder are loaded.

Wemby is just arriving.

Why are we in such a rush to be the Knicks or the Twolves?

Why are we in such a rush to dump all these excellent potential future unprotected picks?

Why are we in such a rush to form a pretender built around one rookie and Giannis that maybe maybe maybe wins one title and crumbles into extreme mediocrity?

Our window should be competing 2-3 years from now and contending in 3-5 from now with a decade of sustainability.

teams that win championships arent always homegrown through high draft picks, in fact most arent, and many teams get high draft picks over and over again that go nowhere. thunder got SGA (11th overall pick) for pg3, whom OKC traded for prior from IND (10th pick).

my point here is that it's possible to walk multiple paths at once and there is no reason to only be all in on the draft. The Nets have enough draft picks that whether their own pick is 4th or 14th, they will have opportunity to pick lotto players who grow organically. They can trade veteran players for recent draft picks they think are undervalued. Finishing in either spot in the standings could result in picks that arent even different because of the lotto odds now, so it's not even so easy to tank any more.

there is no reason to not be open minded if good trade opportunities, or good young RFA's, present themselves. Luka was the only true no brainer, the rest of the options (including Giannis) who knows? It will just come down to trade cost. or RFA cost. Someone like Kuminga could make sense or not.

intentionally sucking as hard as possible multiple seasons to get at best a 14% chance at a top overall pick who most years isnt even an all nba player just seems like a pretty defeatist plan.

[Decipher]

It’s hard to out tank a team like Charlotte as they’re seriously bad

Good to see Sharpe continuing to develop

[Decipher]

eh maybe but guys get overhyped years ahead of time every draft. i'm not getting spun up either way about 2026 draft yet.

we just saw what will end up being a transformational deadline. i think we'd have all been in for a Luka trade but it's not just the trade, it was the staggeringly low price. Fox too. The takeaway from both is that i think we simply need to be ready and willing to engage on anything because anything can happen in the next 12 months from 25 draft, to 25 offseason, to 26 deadline.

I’ll be honest, just sick of the shortcuts. Luka is different, he’s generational.

For all the fanfare they get, I’m not sure Anthony Edwards or even SGA are. Jokic, amazing, but how many more years is he the best player in the league, or dominant top 3 and then how long would it take to build a proper team around him, even if you can acquire him?

Boston is so complete.

Cavs are scary.

Thunder are loaded.

Wemby is just arriving.

Why are we in such a rush to be the Knicks or the Twolves?

Why are we in such a rush to dump all these excellent potential future unprotected picks?

Why are we in such a rush to form a pretender built around one rookie and Giannis that maybe maybe maybe wins one title and crumbles into extreme mediocrity?

Our window should be competing 2-3 years from now and contending in 3-5 from now with a decade of sustainability.

teams that win championships arent always homegrown through high draft picks, in fact most arent, and many teams get high draft picks over and over again that go nowhere. thunder got SGA (11th overall pick) for pg3, whom OKC traded for prior from IND (10th pick).

my point here is that it's possible to walk multiple paths at once and there is no reason to only be all in on the draft. The Nets have enough draft picks that whether their own pick is 4th or 14th, they will have opportunity to pick lotto players who grow organically. They can trade veteran players for recent draft picks they think are undervalued. Finishing in either spot in the standings could result in picks that arent even different because of the lotto odds now, so it's not even so easy to tank any more.

there is no reason to not be open minded if good trade opportunities, or good young RFA's, present themselves. Luka was the only true no brainer, the rest of the options (including Giannis) who knows? It will just come down to trade cost. or RFA cost. Someone like Kuminga could make sense or not.

intentionally sucking as hard as possible multiple seasons to get at best a 14% chance at a top overall pick who most years isnt even an all nba player just seems like a pretty defeatist plan.

The Sixers literally drafted 2 All NBA players and look where they are

IF we were offered Luka and didn’t offer the house for him then that’s a bad mistake

[Netaman]

The Sixers literally drafted 2 All NBA players and look where they are

IF we were offered Luka and didn’t offer the house for him then that’s a bad mistake

and that was after/part of a never ending tank where most of the high picks busted. turner, fultz, noel, carter williams, okafor, simmons (lol).

obviously hit big on embiid, but other than him their best draft picks in the last 20 years were non lotto non-tank picks. Maxey at #21 and Jrue at #17.

like obviously having higher picks is better than low picks, but with the new lotto system it's hard to actively guarantee yourself a higher pick and what it takes to improve your odds incrementally just isn't worth the squeeze. it looks like jordi is going to field a competitive team even with most d-leaguers, they don't need to rush or force anything but they can build a competitive franchise by both making smart picks and bringing in experienced players who fit when the price is right.

[Netaman]

well the offseason is simplifying itself:

draft lotto,
kuminga and giddey the only 2 name RFAs probably worth considering,

not nets specific but league wide generally pretty slim pickings unless giannis and/or kd hit the trade market. maybe the trae young stuff comes back.

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[Wisedude]

and Myles Turner wants the max contract...will the Nets give it to him?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why the **** are we winning so many games? So dumb.

Jordi is killing us man. Stop being such a good coach!

This lineup is horrific and somehow we keep winning.

[Stone]

Why the **** are we winning so many games? So dumb.

Jordi is killing us man. Stop being such a good coach!

This lineup is horrific and somehow we keep winning.

Crazy ain't it.........Last season we went 32-50.

This season we should end up around 28-54.

[Netaman]

Why the **** are we winning so many games? So dumb.

Jordi is killing us man. Stop being such a good coach!

This lineup is horrific and somehow we keep winning.

Crazy ain't it.........Last season we went 32-50.

This season we should end up around 28-54.

and last year bridges played every game, this year they have been short handed at least half the time to tank. makes no sense. it sucks the draft pick may end up a few places lower than ideal but if Jordi is legit and this isn't just a fluke that's more important.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why the **** are we winning so many games? So dumb.

Jordi is killing us man. Stop being such a good coach!

This lineup is horrific and somehow we keep winning.

Crazy ain't it.........Last season we went 32-50.

This season we should end up around 28-54.

and last year bridges played every game, this year they have been short handed at least half the time to tank. makes no sense. it sucks the draft pick may end up a few places lower than ideal but if Jordi is legit and this isn't just a fluke that's more important.

Roster has also been decimated by injuries. Both Cams have been out who are our two best players.

[ecuhus1981]

The season is going well, exactly as I had hoped.

We're bad, bad enough to land double-digit lottery odds for the #1 overall pick. But, and this is a critical but, NOT so bad that we unleash basketball karma and a generation of losing upon our poor souls. Tanking, rebuilding and pivoting are reasonable, strategic moves for a franchise. Stinking out loud on purpose is a cardinal sin.

Also, we have no clue who will win the lottery. But there are several potential franchise cornerstone level players in this draft. Drafting 6th would not be end of the world, it could still set us up for contending in the future.

[vincecarter4pres]

Why the **** are we winning so many games? So dumb.

Jordi is killing us man. Stop being such a good coach!

This lineup is horrific and somehow we keep winning.

Crazy ain't it.........Last season we went 32-50.

This season we should end up around 28-54.

and last year bridges played every game, this year they have been short handed at least half the time to tank. makes no sense. it sucks the draft pick may end up a few places lower than ideal but if Jordi is legit and this isn't just a fluke that's more important.

It’s absolutely not more important, but it is what it is.

[Papi_swav]

Yea we gotta sit this free agency out this year. I don't want to sign Kuminga to no ridiculous contract he's not worth it. Draft well, take on bad salary for a pick or 2, pickup young players with potential that haven't gotten playing time and let the kids develop next year. Next year FA is way better anyway

[ecuhus1981]

Yea we gotta sit this free agency out this year. I don't want to sign Kuminga to no ridiculous contract he's not worth it. Draft well, take on bad salary for a pick or 2, pickup young players with potential that haven't gotten playing time and let the kids develop next year. Next year FA is way better anyway

I hear you, but to be fair, EVERY free agent crop looks better 15 months before they are set to become FA'S versus 3 months away.

Trae, Luka, JJJ, Porzingis, Fox and other 2026 possible FAs might sign extensions this summer, then next summer will look just like this one does.

I agree with you that paying Jonathan Kuminga $30mil/yr sounds like a bad idea. I think there are worthwhile young guys to pursue this summer, though. Depending on the price tag, Santi Aldama, Jake LaRavia (ufa) and Josh Giddey could be value signings. Memphis has to extend JJJ with their capspace this summer if they don't want him to hit the UFA market next summer, so they'll probably let Santi walk for anything above the MLE. Giddey is not the most appealing, but he is an elite playmaker and Chicago doesn't sound likely to match a decent offer.

Alternatively, I could see us signing productive veterans to big 2yr contracts, with the 2nd year a team option. With this contract structure, we could re-enter the FA market in 2026, if we are in position to land a big free agent then. We're the only team with significant capspace, so we may have extreme leverage on this part of the market. They might be a bit older, but won't have suitors who can pay above the MLE like we can. The guys I would seek here are:

D'Angelo Russell
Caris Levert
Ty Jerome
De'Anthony Melton
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Naz Reid
John Collins
Luke Kornet
Myles Turner

[vincecarter4pres]

We just gave up too many uber skyrocketing high valuable picks to get only 2 of our picks back, to not pick top 7 at least twice, I’m sorry.

You do not pivot and act like those Phoenix and Dallas picks were whatever.

Anyone who knew anything understood what those picks were potentially going to become, and quickly too.

I get it’s no given we pick top 3 this year or next, and do not feel entitled to it or anything silly, but you cannot do things to intentionally incrementally improve, or a boneheaded trade for some ancient vet or fading star at the expense of even a chance next year.

Tbh, we should have shipped DLo out immediately upon trading for him.

And they need to swing for the fences no matter what pick we wind up with this summer. You don’t take that bum Duke center, or some other big stiff, or some safe low ceiling pick.

Marks needs to find a way to trade up if we get stuck somewhere like 8 or 9, and land someone like Tre Johnson, or Edgecombe, Jakucionis, etc, and keep tanking, using the cap space to trade for bad salary and future 1sts.

Ship out Cam J and grab another top 10 pick.

S&T Cam T.

[Netaman]

Crazy ain't it.........Last season we went 32-50.

This season we should end up around 28-54.

and last year bridges played every game, this year they have been short handed at least half the time to tank. makes no sense. it sucks the draft pick may end up a few places lower than ideal but if Jordi is legit and this isn't just a fluke that's more important.

It’s absolutely not more important, but it is what it is.

it's not more important than winning the lottery, but there's nothing anyone can do about that in the new lottery. the difference in lottery odds for the top spot is like 2%. being the worst team in the league by 20 games doesn't come close to guaranteeing a lottery win.

the pistons had best odds and ended up 5th last year.
hawks went to 1 from 10th.
nets moved from 9th to 3rd.
hornets went from 3rd best to 6th.
blazers went from 4th best to 7th.

3 of the top 5 odds last year moved down 3 or more spots. 1 stayed the same. 1 moved up 1 spot from 5 to 4.

[Netaman]

We just gave up too many uber skyrocketing high valuable picks to get only 2 of our picks back, to not pick top 7 at least twice, I’m sorry.

You do not pivot and act like those Phoenix and Dallas picks were whatever.

Anyone who knew anything understood what those picks were potentially going to become, and quickly too.

I get it’s no given we pick top 3 this year or next, and do not feel entitled to it or anything silly, but you cannot do things to intentionally incrementally improve, or a boneheaded trade for some ancient vet or fading star at the expense of even a chance next year.

Tbh, we should have shipped DLo out immediately upon trading for him.

And they need to swing for the fences no matter what pick we wind up with this summer. You don’t take that bum Duke center, or some other big stiff, or some safe low ceiling pick.

Marks needs to find a way to trade up if we get stuck somewhere like 8 or 9, and land someone like Tre Johnson, or Edgecombe, Jakucionis, etc, and keep tanking, using the cap space to trade for bad salary and future 1sts.

Ship out Cam J and grab another top 10 pick.

S&T Cam T.

ship out russell to who though? unless we are taking back multi-year salary half the league is up against aprons and cant aggregate to make deals and dont have expirings or TEs. we know there are the 4-6 other teams basically tanking.

i agree about the trade w/ suns picks and getting back their own pick. i understand it but i think they could have easily just sat on the phoenix picks because they had more long term upside. now, this draft is very strong and if they win the lotto into top 3 it will be a gamble worth making probably, but if they dont end up hitting the pick out of the park it probably ends up being that they overpaid.