Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Prokorov]

Also, correct... 36 pages and still no trade while we continue to lose every single night and clearly have massive holes on this roster and guys who are tradeable.

king being silent on it is even worse. WTF us up with these beat writers? how come no one is pressing him on why the team has made no moves despite a 3-13 january and slipping in the playoffs seeding?

[Prokorov]

According to MArc Stein the nuggets added a first rounder to McGee/Hickson for lopez and the nets still said no.

I'm simply done with king. i dont know what else to do. this trade fills a major void at PF, gets a center as good as lopez who is a better fit, and gets us a first rounder. we shed 6M on next years cap and dont add any additional years or salary

like WTF? It is like king is holding out for anthony davis or something. he is like some dolt over at ND that thinks lopez is a top 25 player with no red flags

The Nets believe that Lopez's value has increased dramatically in the last month and believe they can wait till the trade deadline for better deals, not just for him, but for Joe Johnson and possible Deron Williams as well.

We are going to be caught with our pants down on the deadline and make a panic trade worse then the OKC/Den/CHA offers and end up with like eric gordon and a protected 2nd rounder or something and im going to put my fist through a wall.

The last month:

Deron hasnt played

Joe has had his worst stetch of the year

Lopez has had identical numbers to the first 2 months

the team was 3-11

yet their valuye somehow was supposed to go up?!?!

we have had some great offers. make the **** trade!

[Prokorov]

Also, getting a first round pick would be ENORMOUS for us...

it would allow us to trade our first round pick this year (bottom 5 pick since it will be atlanta's) to pair with williams to try and dump him for shorter/expiring money.

Lopez for:
-mcgee, hickson, first

Deron, 1st rounder for:
Eric Gordon

Jack/Morris
Gordon/Bogs
Johnson/Anderson
KG/Hickson
Plumlee/McGee

we shed brook and derons money, 16-17 is completely clear, we have a better pick (the memphis pick will be higher then atlantas) and we would have added a SG and PF, our 2 biggest areas of need.

[CalamityX12]

I'm losing a lot of will for NETs basketball... to think we endured the last 3 or so years in NJ for this bullsh*t all over again...

The problem isn't at PF or C(though both are needed to improve) is the lack of attack from the perimeter.... JJ does it whenever he's not in a moody mode. Jack can do it but often too much(good or worse)... that leaves the SG where Bojan and Karasev are simply not contributing...

Idk if that's on Hollins n his staff but offensively its as if we're playing with 3 or 4(again)....(they haven't completely been irrelevant but inconsistent at 80% of time) and god knows they are not defensive skilled players....

Getting Lance makes the most sense... why is it that hard for dipsh*t to understand?

I like the Denver deal if we can sub out Hickson for Gallo... or Affallo(sh*t i'll throw in more if needed)......

[Prokorov]

I'm losing a lot of will for NETs basketball... to think we endured the last 3 or so years in NJ for this bullsh*t all over again...

The problem isn't at PF or C(though both are needed to improve) is the lack of attack from the perimeter.... JJ does it whenever he's not in a moody mode. Jack can do it but often too much(good or worse)... that leaves the SG where Bojan and Karasev are simply not contributing...

Idk if that's on Hollins n his staff but offensively its as if we're playing with 3 or 4(again)....(they haven't completely been irrelevant but inconsistent at 80% of time) and god knows they are not defensive skilled players....

Getting Lance makes the most sense... why is it that hard for dipsh*t to understand?

I like the Denver deal if we can sub out Hickson for Gallo... or Affallo(sh*t i'll throw in more if needed)......

Interested as to why you would want Gallinari over hickson?

Hickson is younger, healthier, been better the past 2 seasons, a better rebounder and a better contract.

[Paradise]

According to MArc Stein the nuggets added a first rounder to McGee/Hickson for lopez and the nets still said no.

I'm simply done with king. i dont know what else to do. this trade fills a major void at PF, gets a center as good as lopez who is a better fit, and gets us a first rounder. we shed 6M on next years cap and dont add any additional years or salary

The first round pick they offered is heavily protected and requires either OKC making the playoffs higher than 8th or Memphis missing the playoffs next season and McGee has missed 109 games in two seasons.

Like I said, It's a terrible offer.

[Keith Van Horn]

Lopez should be priority #1 to be moved, but unless it's McGee, Chandler or Afflalo, and the first, then no.

If Lopez can be moved and we can net Lance, then that's a no brainer.


JJ should only be moved if we can get picks and expirings for this year.

Don't even bother with Deron lol.


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[CalamityX12]

I'm losing a lot of will for NETs basketball... to think we endured the last 3 or so years in NJ for this bullsh*t all over again...

The problem isn't at PF or C(though both are needed to improve) is the lack of attack from the perimeter.... JJ does it whenever he's not in a moody mode. Jack can do it but often too much(good or worse)... that leaves the SG where Bojan and Karasev are simply not contributing...

Idk if that's on Hollins n his staff but offensively its as if we're playing with 3 or 4(again)....(they haven't completely been irrelevant but inconsistent at 80% of time) and god knows they are not defensive skilled players....

Getting Lance makes the most sense... why is it that hard for dipsh*t to understand?

I like the Denver deal if we can sub out Hickson for Gallo... or Affallo(sh*t i'll throw in more if needed)......

Interested as to why you would want Gallinari over hickson?

Hickson is younger, healthier, been better the past 2 seasons, a better rebounder and a better contract.

I tend to look at the holes we have, and try to weigh the greater of two glaring weaknesses.

I agree with you on Hickson's attributes, however in terms of contract, I think its a moot point for me considering Gallo's a larger expiring than Hickson's and both expire prior to the 2016 free for all...

I ask myself, is Hickson's upgrade as a backup/insurance PF more than what Gallo could potentially do for us at SF or a stretch 4. I know Gallo's injury has set him back a bit and its a legit cause for concern(what if he gets injured etc...) but that's not different than on Lopez IMO.

Gallo is still a good shooter at any place on the floor, brings another 3pt option, actually attacks the basket and draws some fouls, great size for a SF and mobile enough to be an effective stretch 4 on certain lineups.... defensively I don't see any help from him, rebounding ok, but defense nah...that's where Hollins would need to help.

I feel we are a bit crowded at PF/C where as i feel we are thin in terms of talent and skill at the perimeter positions. Our offense is JJ and Jack from the outside. AA does his job well, Karasev n Bojan are need integrated enough to impact the offense consistently. This is where I feel we need help so that's why I look at Gallo as somewhat of a chance to improve our offense all around. Plus give JJ some minutes to breathe and not carry so much burden at his spot is a plus if all works out.

[Born_Ready]

Right now the 1st round offer seems like a low ball
offer, however, the ability of even having a selection in the draft is a valuable asset.

Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore. Hope this declined offer from Denver doesn't come back to hurt King like everything else has.

[Shook Jones]

The picks are heavily protected and non of the players coming back are any good. I'm not mad that they rejected the Den deal. How could you be?

No Afflalo or Chandler? We need wings! Scoring.

The OKC deal is better because we get back a contract easily moved in Perkins and 1 or 2 young players that can actually put the ball in the basket. Jones off the bench would help alot. Doubt we get Jackson back though.

Nets have to inquire about MArtin and Thad.

I also want to see Lopez play with studs.

[MrDollarBills]

Honestly, i'm not upset that King rejected this deal, they aren't really giving us anything. I'd rather do the OKC deal if we can get Jones and Lamb since that will help to counteract the loss of all of our draft picks. I tell Denver to call back when they're ready to offer us Chandler or Afflalo and an unprotected first. That first they're offering is destined to become two second rd picks. They're not even remotely serious about negotiating with King in good faith, which I can't blame them for since King is a dumbass

[MGrand15]

Reggie Jackson -is- better than Deron, and also, you sit here and tout Deron's numbers as if they are something to be proud of, especially when this guy is tanking a high % of the Nets cap.


Despite the fact that we are better with him than without, it still doesn't change the fact that the guy is a flat out dog and a part of the reason as to why this franchise has underachieved while paying the league's highest payroll.

Can you quote anyone touting Deron's numbers?

I was reminding you guys that this Jack is tougher, Jack drives in more, blah blah, BS is just wrong. If you want to hammer him for his contract and his production, that's fine. But don't act like we're better with Jack, like he lost his starting spot or like we're a worse team WITH Deron. All numbers show that we win with Deron on the floor - unless Jack is there with him. Not a surprise all of you guys just glanced over that stat.

Deron's top SEVEN lineups that don't include Jack are positive. Even when he's in a horrible shooting slump, he's our best playmaker BY FAR. He's unselfish, runs the offense, gets guys the ball in their spots, and he's a really good passer. Things generally run way better with him on the floor even when he's limited.

Reggie Jackson is a scorer and a non-shooter. They'd most likely play together if we traded for him.

[MrDollarBills]

Right now the 1st round offer seems like a low ball
offer, however, the ability of even having a selection in the draft is a valuable asset.

Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore. Hope this declined offer from Denver doesn't come back to hurt King like everything else has.

If the pick offered isn't their unprotected first then no dice. I think from what I'm reading they are trying to pawn off 1st rders that are destined to become 2 2nd rd picks which we dont need.

[MGrand15]

Denver's deal was pretty bad. It adds salary for next year and gives us 2 boneheaded players. Hickson might be helpful short-term because our PF situation is THAT bad but both of them are real bad.

Billy King is a moron but I'm sure when OKC sees Lopez have big games - they wonder how much he would help coming off the bench and especially when KD is out. When Durant doesn't play - the team just can't score. They're athletic enough to cover for Brook's deficiencies on defense. He may be right that they give up more than they originally wanted to. My only concern is that they don't really seem to be the type to get desperate.

[MGrand15]

Also, getting a first round pick would be ENORMOUS for us...

it would allow us to trade our first round pick this year (bottom 5 pick since it will be atlanta's) to pair with williams to try and dump him for shorter/expiring money.

Lopez for:
-mcgee, hickson, first

Deron, 1st rounder for:
Eric Gordon

Jack/Morris
Gordon/Bogs
Johnson/Anderson
KG/Hickson
Plumlee/McGee

we shed brook and derons money, 16-17 is completely clear, we have a better pick (the memphis pick will be higher then atlantas) and we would have added a SG and PF, our 2 biggest areas of need.

The pick is one of the picks they got from the Mozgov trade. Definitely not ENORMOUS. Supposed to be protected and either a very late 1st or eventually a 2nd rounder.

Also, why did you say it would clear salary? Unless I'm wrong

McGee makes 12 million next year.
Hickson 5+ million next year.
Lopez makes a little more than 16 million next year.

[Prokorov]

I'm losing a lot of will for NETs basketball... to think we endured the last 3 or so years in NJ for this bullsh*t all over again...

The problem isn't at PF or C(though both are needed to improve) is the lack of attack from the perimeter.... JJ does it whenever he's not in a moody mode. Jack can do it but often too much(good or worse)... that leaves the SG where Bojan and Karasev are simply not contributing...

Idk if that's on Hollins n his staff but offensively its as if we're playing with 3 or 4(again)....(they haven't completely been irrelevant but inconsistent at 80% of time) and god knows they are not defensive skilled players....

Getting Lance makes the most sense... why is it that hard for dipsh*t to understand?

I like the Denver deal if we can sub out Hickson for Gallo... or Affallo(sh*t i'll throw in more if needed)......

Interested as to why you would want Gallinari over hickson?

Hickson is younger, healthier, been better the past 2 seasons, a better rebounder and a better contract.

I tend to look at the holes we have, and try to weigh the greater of two glaring weaknesses.

I agree with you on Hickson's attributes, however in terms of contract, I think its a moot point for me considering Gallo's a larger expiring than Hickson's and both expire prior to the 2016 free for all...

I ask myself, is Hickson's upgrade as a backup/insurance PF more than what Gallo could potentially do for us at SF or a stretch 4. I know Gallo's injury has set him back a bit and its a legit cause for concern(what if he gets injured etc...) but that's not different than on Lopez IMO.

Gallo is still a good shooter at any place on the floor, brings another 3pt option, actually attacks the basket and draws some fouls, great size for a SF and mobile enough to be an effective stretch 4 on certain lineups.... defensively I don't see any help from him, rebounding ok, but defense nah...that's where Hollins would need to help.

I feel we are a bit crowded at PF/C where as i feel we are thin in terms of talent and skill at the perimeter positions. Our offense is JJ and Jack from the outside. AA does his job well, Karasev n Bojan are need integrated enough to impact the offense consistently. This is where I feel we need help so that's why I look at Gallo as somewhat of a chance to improve our offense all around. Plus give JJ some minutes to breathe and not carry so much burden at his spot is a plus if all works out.

i dont see how we are crowded at PF? all we have is KG who cant play everynight amd CJ who should probably be in the dleague

[Prokorov]

The picks are heavily protected and non of the players coming back are any good. I'm not mad that they rejected the Den deal. How could you be?

No Afflalo or Chandler? We need wings! Scoring.

you are overlooking the flexibility gainin the pick would give us. it would allow us to trade a draft pick this year, which we could potentially pair with williams to move his contract, maybe do the kings deal giving them a pick instead of plumlee... etc...

[Prokorov]

Also, getting a first round pick would be ENORMOUS for us...

it would allow us to trade our first round pick this year (bottom 5 pick since it will be atlanta's) to pair with williams to try and dump him for shorter/expiring money.

Lopez for:
-mcgee, hickson, first

Deron, 1st rounder for:
Eric Gordon

Jack/Morris
Gordon/Bogs
Johnson/Anderson
KG/Hickson
Plumlee/McGee

we shed brook and derons money, 16-17 is completely clear, we have a better pick (the memphis pick will be higher then atlantas) and we would have added a SG and PF, our 2 biggest areas of need.

The pick is one of the picks they got from the Mozgov trade. Definitely not ENORMOUS. Supposed to be protected and either a very late 1st or eventually a 2nd rounder.

Also, why did you say it would clear salary? Unless I'm wrong

McGee makes 12 million next year.
Hickson 5+ million next year.
Lopez makes a little more than 16 million next year.

hickson expires, he is owed 5M this year and then its a team option.

it doesnt matter where the pick is. its not the pick, its the flexibility of being able to trade a pick in this years draft. that might enable us to move deron. deron + 1st for bad 2 year contracts is somewhat doable.

[CalamityX12]

Interested as to why you would want Gallinari over hickson?

Hickson is younger, healthier, been better the past 2 seasons, a better rebounder and a better contract.

I tend to look at the holes we have, and try to weigh the greater of two glaring weaknesses.

I agree with you on Hickson's attributes, however in terms of contract, I think its a moot point for me considering Gallo's a larger expiring than Hickson's and both expire prior to the 2016 free for all...

I ask myself, is Hickson's upgrade as a backup/insurance PF more than what Gallo could potentially do for us at SF or a stretch 4. I know Gallo's injury has set him back a bit and its a legit cause for concern(what if he gets injured etc...) but that's not different than on Lopez IMO.

Gallo is still a good shooter at any place on the floor, brings another 3pt option, actually attacks the basket and draws some fouls, great size for a SF and mobile enough to be an effective stretch 4 on certain lineups.... defensively I don't see any help from him, rebounding ok, but defense nah...that's where Hollins would need to help.

I feel we are a bit crowded at PF/C where as i feel we are thin in terms of talent and skill at the perimeter positions. Our offense is JJ and Jack from the outside. AA does his job well, Karasev n Bojan are need integrated enough to impact the offense consistently. This is where I feel we need help so that's why I look at Gallo as somewhat of a chance to improve our offense all around. Plus give JJ some minutes to breathe and not carry so much burden at his spot is a plus if all works out.

i dont see how we are crowded at PF? all we have is KG who cant play everynight amd CJ who should probably be in the dleague

Ah but I like CJ, maybe that's why... We did lose Mirza so that does add a hole, Gallo could always play a stretch 4 role if we go small.

[Paradise]

Denver's deal was pretty bad. It adds salary for next year and gives us 2 boneheaded players. Hickson might be helpful short-term because our PF situation is THAT bad but both of them are real bad.

Billy King is a moron but I'm sure when OKC sees Lopez have big games - they wonder how much he would help coming off the bench and especially when KD is out. When Durant doesn't play - the team just can't score. They're athletic enough to cover for Brook's deficiencies on defense. He may be right that they give up more than they originally wanted to. My only concern is that they don't really seem to be the type to get desperate.

Do we really need them to be desperate? I don't see why It would be such a stretch to throw in Perry Jones or Mitch McGary if it means getting Lopez for Perkins.