Around the NBA, 2016-17 Season thread

[qiantom]

Lamarcus Aldridge is so terrible.

Does anyone else get flash backs of Deron Williams?

This dude straight up doesn't care.

I never understood how the Spurs selected him to be Duncan's heir. Green is also terrible. Lee and Gasol are terrible defensively. Parker and Ginobili are old and terrible half of the games. Amazing how Pop and Leonard still made the team win. Their journey may have come to an end though.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Lamarcus Aldridge is so terrible.

Does anyone else get flash backs of Deron Williams?

This dude straight up doesn't care.

I never understood how the Spurs selected him to be Duncan's heir. Green is also terrible. Lee and Gasol are terrible defensively. Parker and Ginobili are old and terrible half of the games. Amazing how Pop and Leonard still made the team win. Their journey may have come to an end though.

He looked really good in Portland though.

Some guys just can't maintain that level.

Hard to blame the Spurs for signing him.

[MrDollarBills]

Lamarcus Aldridge is so terrible.

Does anyone else get flash backs of Deron Williams?

This dude straight up doesn't care.

yep. been saying that LMA has been playing like a dog

[NyCeEvO]

Porter has to get better by virtue of his age. Unless you think hes some type of bum like D-Will who just doesn't care.

Not everyone who is young gets better or significantly better... and if they dont it doesnt mean they are some kind of dog. some guys realize potential earlier then others. or simply never develop as well in some areas.

Agreed.

He hasn't reached his peak yet.

probably not. but that doesnt mean his peak is much higher, and either way he doesnt do what reddick does and is extremely unlikely to ever be able to (as mention, there are very few who have ever been able to... korver, allen, reggie)

Agreed.

Reddick is 32, he has to decline.

again, this seems like a really obtuse view point. especially when several guys have played well through 35-36. some guys even played their best from 32-34

I think this is far from obtuse.

It is reasonable to believe that a player like Redick would decline around this age. And citing that "several guys" have lasted longer still puts the forth the idea that a minority of players do. The question to answer is "Why would Redick be a part of that minority group?"
Do we know if he takes exceptional care of his body?

Most players over 30 prefer longer contracts which yield more total money (but less annual salary) over the life of the contract rather than taking a higher annual salary over a shorter term.

This is really a question of whether we have faith that Redick will be able to maintain his current level of playing ability over the next few years. You haven't said anything to specifically address that issue.

I can't believe you want to sign Reddick. Youre the same guy who was pissed about having to pay Thaddeus Young money.

Thad young is a glorified bench player who has a low impact on winning or offense, and in several instances has even had a net negative impact.

But this is conjecture.

Thad has started for much of his career but he's also been a 6th or 7th man. It depends where a team believes he'd be most effective in their overall scheme.

JJ Redick is currently a starter but I can envision him not starting on a team but he could yield a greater impact coming off the bench as a 6th or 7th man.

In a similar regard, Lin who has both started for long periods of time and has come off the bench. He can play well in either role depending on the situation and context of the team.

I personally think that Redick does provide a positive impact on an offense and can even be a greater threat if he's given the green light instead of placating to stars on the team. With that said, we have to provide much more than generalizations about both players in order to make a cogent statement. At this point, you've only really stated your opinion comparing the two.

[FlipFlopShot]

Lamarcus Aldridge is so terrible.

Does anyone else get flash backs of Deron Williams?

This dude straight up doesn't care.

I never understood how the Spurs selected him to be Duncan's heir. Green is also terrible. Lee and Gasol are terrible defensively. Parker and Ginobili are old and terrible half of the games. Amazing how Pop and Leonard still made the team win. Their journey may have come to an end though.

He looked really good in Portland though.

Some guys just can't maintain that level.

Hard to blame the Spurs for signing him.

Nah, what happen was he went and gained weight because the spurs wanted him to play some center. The extra weight off balanced his unstoppable shot and his strength is now just an inefficient shot.

[MrDollarBills]

I think we need to just fall back, see who we draft and not worry about comparisons.

Draymond Green is a seriously skilled player. Frankly you can make the argument that he's the best overall player on that team from a basketball perspective, points, rebounds, assists, blocks, threes, steals you name it. He gets it in on both ends. Skillwise and talent wise obviously Durant is the best player and then Curry but overall, Green gives you a lot and he has a motor to boot.

We can take this to the Around the NBA thread cuz I don't want to further derail conversation.

But I honestly believe that Curry has greater impact than KD and that he has been marginalized this season in order to "force fit" KD onto the team. GSW knew that Durant coming would be big for him and so they've tried their hardest to make KD's transition as seamless and smooth as possible.

IMO, GSW was a constant greater threat when Curry was the unquestioned leader of the team and everyone else had a clear cut role to play. The Warriors didn't need KD; they just needed some body to perform Barnes' role better than Barnes did. However, because KD is of an entirely different class than Barnes, they've felt obligated to change the system to accommodate KD's presence rather than run a slightly modified form of last year's offense.

Durant is a phenomenal player and definitely top 3 in the league. But there's only one player in the league who when given complete control strikes fear in you the moment he crosses halfcourt. KD can do more things but the offensive impact of Curry is so ridiculous that I think it (in combination with Curry's above-average defense) edges out KD's overall impact.

The Warriors might win simply because they have an uber-abundance of talent on their squad. But if they end up having any bit of trouble, I think it's going to come with GSW making Curry capitulate to Durant even though Curry IMO has a greater impact on the team.

agreed and ive argued his a ton on the GB/PC boards...

GS to me looks more like OKC last year... with guys "taking turns" on offense where as last year it seemed like an all around team with elite chemistry and ball movement and guys working off one another. they have more talent but to me the sum of their parts isnt the same with durant. i mean its close... but i think they were better prior. if they can get to where they achieve that same dynamic with durant... lights out

We'll see. I think Curry gets easily rattled when guys start getting physical with him.

[kamaze]

The unselfish, extra pass style is more fun to watch but it's "Durant's team" now and he likes more iso. I could see him stressing missing shots which all players do he's used to being the man. On this team he's just a great player I like Steph and Klay more.. also George Hill looked old.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't think Golden State was better last year.

I do think they are worse when the offense runs through Durant.

However, since KD got injured I think its back to being Curry's team.

If they can continue to lets Curry be the #1 option, then they will be better with Durant.

But if they don't, they will not be. And I think they'll lose in the Finals.

[twosevenstreet]

Gortat is eating Howard's lunch.

Imagine if we had Howard for the last four years. Yikes.


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we would have been better every single year. especially early on

No question about this here. DWill - JJ - Dwight plus shooters would have been a problem.

DWill / Dwight PnR non stop with JJ and Mirza shooting 3s and we would have gotten another 3pt shooter to play sg.

JKidd likely signs up to play with that team.

DWill - CJ - Tyshawn
JKidd - Bogans - Marshon
JJ - Childress - Toko - Damion
Mirza - Hump - Reggie
Dwight - Blatche

We likely finish 1st in the division with this team. We make it out of the 1st round. We likely beat Indiana in the 2nd rd (I'm assuming we would be the 2nd or 3rd seed). We make it to the ECF vs Miami and actually put up a fight. 2013 free agency we go out and add more shooters.

2013-14
DWill - CJ - ???
Livingston - FA (Anthony Morrow) - Marshon
JJ - Toko - Bogans
Mirza - Blatche - Reggie
Dwight - Plumlee - ???

Would have been fun!!!

[NyCeEvO]

Lamarcus Aldridge is so terrible.

Does anyone else get flash backs of Deron Williams?

This dude straight up doesn't care.

I never understood how the Spurs selected him to be Duncan's heir.

You take what you can get. If you always snub players because they're aren't Duncan, you're going to be waiting a lifetime before you find a player whom you really like.

[Prokorov]

I never thought aldridge fit the spurs... his game was all about long twos and his defense was just OK.

[qiantom]

Lamarcus Aldridge is so terrible.

Does anyone else get flash backs of Deron Williams?

This dude straight up doesn't care.

I never understood how the Spurs selected him to be Duncan's heir.

You take what you can get. If you always snub players because they're aren't Duncan, you're going to be waiting a lifetime before you find a player whom you really like.

I understand that. What I meant was close to what Prok said below. I just never thought he would be able to fill the vacancy left by Duncan with his game in a way that would keep Spurs a contender. He played worse this year than his first year with Spurs also.


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[vincecarter4pres]

Have to remember, he's also getting up there in age.

[vincecarter4pres]

And this is why Otto Porter is a fantastic player who goes beyond his stats.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah baby, this is playoff basketball! Some early 90's or even early 2000's stuff!

[Hello Brooklyn]

LOL. For those of us on the Porter train, this game is certainly helping the cause.

But yeah I love this series. There is pure hatred.

Best playoff series in a long besides GSW-CLE.

[Keith Van Horn]

Oubre wasn't taking no crap anymore. That was intense.

Go Washington

[Paradise]

Oubre wasn't taking no crap anymore. That was intense.

Go Washington

Still rooting for Washington but good lord, Beal should be suspended for this.

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[Papi_swav]

Oubre wasn't taking no crap anymore. That was intense.

Go Washington

Still rooting for Washington but good lord, Beal should be suspended for this.

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Na, he is just giving Boston a taste of their own medicine. Smart is the GOAT flopper and he hasn't been fined yet.

[Paradise]

Meanwhile, in Manhattan...

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