This offseason

[MrDollarBills]

So, who's interested in Dwight Howard? He's available for a 2nd rounder


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that's a high asking price for a **** ing dog.

[playteamball]

If Dwight were ever willing to settle into a garbage man role, he would be invaluable for any team. In fact he would be a first ballot HOFer if he did this throughout his career (he still might be). There are a number of players who shed their offensive ambitions and became great and far more valuable contributors to their teams later in their careers (even deep into their 30's) as defensive stoppers and/or rebounders. Dwight with his exceptional athleticism would be great even at 35 and valuable at 40 or maybe even 45 in this role. I might be stating the obvious here, but it is just frustrating to see a megatalent go to waste.

[MrDollarBills]

I saw a guy who was a garbage man type who should be a HOFer imo who was on KG's area 21 last night and that was Ben Wallace. I'd take what Big Ben brought as a player in that 6 year span over anything Howard has done. He's a clown.

also, i believe most of my vitriol towards Howard stems from his idiocy that ended up causing the Gerald Wallace debacle, and just being associated by extension to the Deron Williams era in general.

[playteamball]

I saw a guy who was a garbage man type who should be a HOFer imo who was on KG's area 21 last night and that was Ben Wallace. I'd take what Big Ben brought as a player in that 6 year span over anything Howard has done. He's a clown.

also, i believe most of my vitriol towards Howard stems from his idiocy that ended up causing the Gerald Wallace debacle, and just being associated by extension to the Deron Williams era in general.

I was watching last night as well and the whole time was thinking that Ben Wallace should be a HOF'er. When he was asked by KG about Pierce and graciously said that Pierce should be a 1st ballot HOFer, I was thinking to myself that, as good as Pierce was, I would've taken Wallace in his prime over Pierce because of how you could plug him into any team and make that team successful. You never had to worry about the guy or his durability, never had to run plays for him, could always count on him to make the most unselfish play, and, oh yea, he would take care of the whole paint on defense for you. He was a very underrated piece on those Pistons championship teams.

[NyCeEvO]

I saw a guy who was a garbage man type who should be a HOFer imo who was on KG's area 21 last night and that was Ben Wallace. I'd take what Big Ben brought as a player in that 6 year span over anything Howard has done. He's a clown.

also, i believe most of my vitriol towards Howard stems from his idiocy that ended up causing the Gerald Wallace debacle, and just being associated by extension to the Deron Williams era in general.

I was watching last night as well and the whole time was thinking that Ben Wallace should be a HOF'er. When he was asked by KG about Pierce and graciously said that Pierce should be a 1st ballot HOFer, I was thinking to myself that, as good as Pierce was, I would've taken Wallace in his prime over Pierce because of how you could plug him into any team and make that team successful. You never had to worry about the guy or his durability, never had to run plays for him, could always count on him to make the most unselfish play, and, oh yea, he would take care of the whole paint on defense for you. He was a very underrated piece on those Pistons championship teams.

I don't think Ben was underrated at the time. Everyone recognized how great he was.

I think because he didn't come in with much fanfare and (more significantly) left in similarly inconspicuous fashion it's going to two or three years of eligibility and review for people to remember how good he was.

Our memories are quite fickle. If you don't play for 12 or more seasons or have a period of dominance lasting 8+ years, people are going to need reminding of how good you were.

[jbeachboy]

i would take dwight for a second rounder, which second rounder though is it, we could use a big man who could rebound and block shots. i dont think he is a starter anymore , unless he is willing to come off bench. i want hamilton gone.

[Prokorov]

i would take dwight for a second rounder, which second rounder though is it, we could use a big man who could rebound and block shots. i dont think he is a starter anymore , unless he is willing to come off bench. i want hamilton gone.

for me we have gone so far building the culture i dont want him. although we do need his skilset badly

[NyCeEvO]

i would take dwight for a second rounder, which second rounder though is it, we could use a big man who could rebound and block shots. i dont think he is a starter anymore , unless he is willing to come off bench. i want hamilton gone.

for me we have gone so far building the culture i dont want him. although we do need his skilset badly

Yeah, it's too little too late. Under the King regime, when character didn't matter, sure. Throw talent together and hope you do well.

Now? No way...we've already scorched earth and started planting with good seeds. Now is not the time to bring a dandelion that looks pretty on some occasions, but is still a weed.

[jbeachboy]

i would take dwight for a second rounder, which second rounder though is it, we could use a big man who could rebound and block shots. i dont think he is a starter anymore , unless he is willing to come off bench. i want hamilton gone.

for me we have gone so far building the culture i dont want him. although we do need his skilset badly

ok i understand about culture, i hope we can find someone in draft or similar that can rebound, defend and block shots cause we dont have that.

[MrDollarBills]

I saw a guy who was a garbage man type who should be a HOFer imo who was on KG's area 21 last night and that was Ben Wallace. I'd take what Big Ben brought as a player in that 6 year span over anything Howard has done. He's a clown.

also, i believe most of my vitriol towards Howard stems from his idiocy that ended up causing the Gerald Wallace debacle, and just being associated by extension to the Deron Williams era in general.

I was watching last night as well and the whole time was thinking that Ben Wallace should be a HOF'er. When he was asked by KG about Pierce and graciously said that Pierce should be a 1st ballot HOFer, I was thinking to myself that, as good as Pierce was, I would've taken Wallace in his prime over Pierce because of how you could plug him into any team and make that team successful. You never had to worry about the guy or his durability, never had to run plays for him, could always count on him to make the most unselfish play, and, oh yea, he would take care of the whole paint on defense for you. He was a very underrated piece on those Pistons championship teams.

I have a ton of respect for Big Ben, but Paul Pierce was a beast on both the collegiate and pro level and sustained top tier play for a longer amount of time. Wallace's time in the sun was super impactful, but short in the grand scheme of things. But still, he's a hall of famer imo. Key contributor on an NBA champion, put up monster defensive stats.

[Prokorov]

Would you max isiah thomas?

assuming the celtics dont? guys is proving how legit he is and he is maybe the leagues best 4th quarter player next to lebron. he is only 28 so middle of his prime.

following the celtics path, he would take us that next step. if we could then move lopez and bring in a defensive anchor thats a team that may win 50 games in the next couple years.

IT/Lin/Levert/RHJ/Defensive Anchor

Then draft a 2 way gaurd for defense to slide into that avery bradley role? We would still have 20+ million in cap room if we dumped lopez for space or let him walk after next season.

[MrDollarBills]

I would offer Thomas a max contract without hesitation.

The only problem is, we're going to get wrecked by whoever he's guarding on defense.

That being said, you tell me we've got IT/LIN/LEVERT/RHJ and i'm all in on that.

But back to reality...why would he accept an offer from the Nets? Surely Boston wouldn't be crazy enough to let him walk?

[twosevenstreet]

Hmm, i know people here are prolly down on Dwight Howard due to his stupidity in accepting his option in ORL and in not forcing his way to BRK to play with DWill, but with him whining like a bitch in ATL, maybe swing a deal to grab him and his remaining 2 years?

ATL trades
DHo

BRK trades
BroLo
SKill
IW? or BOS pick

ATL gets out of DHo's deal earlier and get rid of the locker room headache. They get back a shooter who can stretch the floor for their motion offense, as well as additional cheap wing help to bolster scoring. They do lose defense and rebounding though, but depending on DHo's antics they might just want him gone.

BRK gets a prima donna headcase but he brings to the table everything BRK needs on the defensive end and some elite PnR rim running (assuming DHo gets it through his head he's not a post player). Also he's not on a deal for a crapton of years so even if he flops, meh, just an extra year of salary.

Also still leaves enough money to sign Otto Porter if one so desires.

C - DHo, Acy, JHam
PF- RHJ, Booker
SF- Porter, Harris
SG- Levert, IW?, KJ, Goodwin
PG- Lin, Dim

Needs more shooting at the 4. Add in draft picks and the roster is up to 15. Would focus on bigs in the upcoming draft.

No disrespect to you, but

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[Roy Tarpley]

I'm torn on Dwight.

I've HEARD rumors about how he's a team cancer but I've also seen:

- Dwight take his Orlando team to the finals in 2009
- On the Lakers, he didn't blend in well, but he had back problems and he didn't blend in well with D'Antoni's system or Kobe's alpha dog ways
- In his first two years in Houston, I thought he actually carried the team in the playoffs while Harden had a lot of dud performances. You really couldn't blame Dwight at all for Houston's exits during those two years.

What about Dwight ($23m) + 2019 #1 pick FOR Nicholson ($6.3m), Hamilton ($3m), 2017 #2 pick, and cap space?

Lin played with Dwight on one of the Houston playoff teams, I'm sure he could tell Marks and Kenny whether Dwight truly is a cancer. I do remember that Howard was trying to pump up Lin for the playoffs, saying that he was watching the Linsanity DVD with Lin to remind him of his potential.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm torn on Dwight.

I've HEARD rumors about how he's a team cancer but I've also seen:

- Dwight take his Orlando team to the finals in 2009
- On the Lakers, he didn't blend in well, but he had back problems and he didn't blend in well with D'Antoni's system or Kobe's alpha dog ways
- In his first two years in Houston, I thought he actually carried the team in the playoffs while Harden had a lot of dud performances. You really couldn't blame Dwight at all for Houston's exits during those two years.

What about Dwight ($23m) + 2019 #1 pick FOR Nicholson ($6.3m), Hamilton ($3m), 2017 #2 pick, and cap space?

Lin played with Dwight on one of the Houston playoff teams, I'm sure he could tell Marks and Kenny whether Dwight truly is a cancer. I do remember that Howard was trying to pump up Lin for the playoffs, saying that he was watching the Linsanity DVD with Lin to remind him of his potential.

2009 was a long, long time ago in NBA years.

In 2017, Dwight Howard was the guy that got served a hot plate of 29 pts 5 blocks by Brook Lopez a few weeks back when we slapped the Hawks down.

[Roy Tarpley]

I'm torn on Dwight.

I've HEARD rumors about how he's a team cancer but I've also seen:

- Dwight take his Orlando team to the finals in 2009
- On the Lakers, he didn't blend in well, but he had back problems and he didn't blend in well with D'Antoni's system or Kobe's alpha dog ways
- In his first two years in Houston, I thought he actually carried the team in the playoffs while Harden had a lot of dud performances. You really couldn't blame Dwight at all for Houston's exits during those two years.

What about Dwight ($23m) + 2019 #1 pick FOR Nicholson ($6.3m), Hamilton ($3m), 2017 #2 pick, and cap space?

Lin played with Dwight on one of the Houston playoff teams, I'm sure he could tell Marks and Kenny whether Dwight truly is a cancer. I do remember that Howard was trying to pump up Lin for the playoffs, saying that he was watching the Linsanity DVD with Lin to remind him of his potential.

2009 was a long, long time ago in NBA years.

In 2017, Dwight Howard was the guy that got served a hot plate of 29 pts 5 blocks by Brook Lopez a few weeks back when we slapped the Hawks down.

True all that. But he also had the best FG% and rebound per 36 rate of his career last year at the age of 31.

I'm not on the Dwight bandwagon, but I'm also not completely averse.

[Paradise]

I was more so joking at idea of him being worth a second rounder.

In all seriousness, there's no way Dwight could ever fit in here without moving Brook and Brook is certainly the better player today. Dwight could be a locker room good guy when he wants to but he's too much of a dog on the court to even bother investing any interest in. He lacks motivation to win in this league.

Let's say an opportunity arises where we land a lottery pick for Lopez. I would pursue Howard only as a stop gap big. 2 Year deal with an option.


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[vincecarter4pres]

It's funny how Thad Young got the 20th pick and cap relief and Dwight can't get a tad more. I mean that matter of factly too. I agree with the evaluation of Dwight in the last few posts, his character and unwillingness to take a backseat on offense has doomed him, but he's still a very good player. You're telling me no playoff level team in that 15 to 23 area would take him on, it's gotten that bad?

[vincecarter4pres]

I was more so joking at idea of him being worth a second rounder.

In all seriousness, there's no way Dwight could ever fit in here without moving Brook and Brook is certainly the better player today. Dwight could be a locker room good guy when he wants to but he's too much of a dog on the court to even bother investing any interest in. He lacks motivation to win in this league.

Let's say an opportunity arises where we land a lottery pick for Lopez. I would pursue Howard only as a stop gap big. 2 Year deal with an option.


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I just think his attitude could be damning on a young team trying to grow together and gel and learn how to win in this league.

Much rather Marks pursues a guy like Tyson Chandler as a stopgap if Brook is traded and if not, F it, start whoever for the time being, as long as that player has a good attitude and doesn't compromise future cap space.

[playteamball]

I was more so joking at idea of him being worth a second rounder.

In all seriousness, there's no way Dwight could ever fit in here without moving Brook and Brook is certainly the better player today. Dwight could be a locker room good guy when he wants to but he's too much of a dog on the court to even bother investing any interest in. He lacks motivation to win in this league.

Let's say an opportunity arises where we land a lottery pick for Lopez. I would pursue Howard only as a stop gap big. 2 Year deal with an option.


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I just think his attitude could be damning on a young team trying to grow together and gel and learn how to win in this league.

Much rather Marks pursues a guy like Tyson Chandler as a stopgap if Brook is traded and if not, F it, start whoever for the time being, as long as that player has a good attitude and doesn't compromise future cap space.

A big yes to Tyson Chandler. Great team player.