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Post#781 » by Flip Murray » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:36 am

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sidestep wrote:Setting screens is not just a matter of attitude (selfish or not) -- it's a real skill, and probably the most neglected and underrated skill among bigs. The timing, the angle, and especially, if the ball handler doesn't use the first pick, being able to re-screen at a different position and direction. And making sure the pick makes contact with the defender before moving, unless it's a trap. Tyson and Ed Davis are the only bigs Lin played with that were good at this. Cody Zeller, low BBIQ. The worst was probably Jordan Hill, who slips the pick even before it makes contact, and slips out just to shoot an ineffectual long 2.

Lopez sometimes slips the pick early before bumping the defender, but, most of all, I think the tricky part is whether Lopez will give up post position in order to come up to set picks. I've seen him expect to be fed the ball even when he hasn't established deep post position. Lopez is a smart guy and a team player, and Atkinson seems very detail oriented, so I'm not worried about this issue. But Atkinson is going to have to find a balance between using Lopez in the post and using him in screens, and that proportion may take Lopez out of his comfort zone a bit.


No one on the Hornets could set a decent pick. Maybe Hawes was okay. Jefferson was terrible, I'm surprised he didn't get called for an illegal pick each time. Booker is apparently good at setting picks.

I forget where I read it but I saw a post in which a Nets fan expressed concern that Lin is more likely to use the pick to score himself instead of looking for the roll man. This is a misperception but it does have a basis in last year. On the Hornets, Lin often didn't use the pick by going on the pick's other side, or attacking before the pick was set. This made the suckiness of the roll man a moot point, and avoided getting doubled off the pick, but still pulled the defending big man up from the paint. Lin won't have to resort to that so much this year, though not using the pick can sometimes be the right choice regardless.

Fortunately Lopez has good hands. Unlike Zeller, who seemed to fumble any bounce pass in the paint that wasn't at his chest, and if he did manage to catch a bounce pass, he is just as likely to get the ball pried from him. He had a remarkable ability to lose the ball after catching it in traffic hehe. As for Al, it wasn't just that he didn't set good picks, but that his comfort zone was in something opposite, that is, in establishing post position instead. That's what I meant by the comfort zone thing, since Lopez is also a skilled post player.


Disagree about Zeller and the Hornets setting good screens in general. I think you're being a bit unfair to him. Cody aint a great player that's for sure, but if setting screens is cool then you can consider him Miles Davis. I think Zeller is actually one of the best screen setters in the league and a decent finisher out of the pick and roll in general. He has a long way to go though of course. You're right also about Albus if I ever have to watch him set another screen again i'll gouge my eyes out.

1. Cody Zeller shot 59% out of pick and roll last season.

2. Cody Zeller was 5th best in the entire league in points per possession out of the pick and roll (min 100) and he operated as a role man on 29% of the team's possessions, which was the 9th highest number in the league (5th if you go min 100). So he's efficient out of pick and roll at very high volume.

3. NBA tracked hustle stats during the playoffs - Cody Zeller was the 4th best player in the playoffs in "Screen Assists" - which is where the screen he sets leads directly to a basket by the ballhandler. (sample size) http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/hustle/?sort=SCREEN_ASSISTS&dir=1

4. Cody Zeller was the 6th best player in the league in score frequency when he operated the pick and roll (min 100). That's the percentage of time the team scored at least 1 point off of his pick and roll. Testament to Kemba's improvement as well.

5. Only 3 players in the league scored over 200 points as a roll man with at least 1.22 points per possession - Deandre Jordan, Hassan Whiteside and Cody Zeller.

6. On April 17th Coach Clifford said that Cody Zeller had set the 3rd most ball screens in the entire NBA.

7. In the Playoffs, the Hornets were the second best team in team screen assists. (sample size)

So yeah, Cody's interior finishing is ugly and he loses the ball a lot but he's a damn good screen setter. Zeller's finishing aint always stellar but he can run a pick and roll.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#782 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:29 pm

Flip Murray wrote:
sidestep wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:
No one on the Hornets could set a decent pick. Maybe Hawes was okay. Jefferson was terrible, I'm surprised he didn't get called for an illegal pick each time. Booker is apparently good at setting picks.

I forget where I read it but I saw a post in which a Nets fan expressed concern that Lin is more likely to use the pick to score himself instead of looking for the roll man. This is a misperception but it does have a basis in last year. On the Hornets, Lin often didn't use the pick by going on the pick's other side, or attacking before the pick was set. This made the suckiness of the roll man a moot point, and avoided getting doubled off the pick, but still pulled the defending big man up from the paint. Lin won't have to resort to that so much this year, though not using the pick can sometimes be the right choice regardless.

Fortunately Lopez has good hands. Unlike Zeller, who seemed to fumble any bounce pass in the paint that wasn't at his chest, and if he did manage to catch a bounce pass, he is just as likely to get the ball pried from him. He had a remarkable ability to lose the ball after catching it in traffic hehe. As for Al, it wasn't just that he didn't set good picks, but that his comfort zone was in something opposite, that is, in establishing post position instead. That's what I meant by the comfort zone thing, since Lopez is also a skilled post player.


Disagree about Zeller and the Hornets setting good screens in general. I think you're being a bit unfair to him. Cody aint a great player that's for sure, but if setting screens is cool then you can consider him Miles Davis. I think Zeller is actually one of the best screen setters in the league and a decent finisher out of the pick and roll in general. He has a long way to go though of course. You're right also about Albus if I ever have to watch him set another screen again i'll gouge my eyes out.

1. Cody Zeller shot 59% out of pick and roll last season.

2. Cody Zeller was 5th best in the entire league in points per possession out of the pick and roll (min 100) and he operated as a role man on 29% of the team's possessions, which was the 9th highest number in the league (5th if you go min 100). So he's efficient out of pick and roll at very high volume.

3. NBA tracked hustle stats during the playoffs - Cody Zeller was the 4th best player in the playoffs in "Screen Assists" - which is where the screen he sets leads directly to a basket by the ballhandler. (sample size) http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/hustle/?sort=SCREEN_ASSISTS&dir=1

4. Cody Zeller was the 6th best player in the league in score frequency when he operated the pick and roll (min 100). That's the percentage of time the team scored at least 1 point off of his pick and roll. Testament to Kemba's improvement as well.

5. Only 3 players in the league scored over 200 points as a roll man with at least 1.22 points per possession - Deandre Jordan, Hassan Whiteside and Cody Zeller.

6. On April 17th Coach Clifford said that Cody Zeller had set the 3rd most ball screens in the entire NBA.

7. In the Playoffs, the Hornets were the second best team in team screen assists. (sample size)

So yeah, Cody's interior finishing is ugly and he loses the ball a lot but he's a damn good screen setter. Zeller's finishing aint always stellar but he can run a pick and roll.


Thanks for those stats on Zeller. He's clearly a player where the eye test doesn't do justice. The big jump in FG% this year was very important too.

On Lin, I think many of us tend to look at him through rose-colored glasses, especially last year because he had great performances against some of the top teams. But there was also a long stretch there, pretty much Jan thru April, where it looked like he lost his jump shot, and I was really thinking any last ember of Linsanity was extinguished. This season will answer a lot of questions.
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Post#783 » by reelsgm » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:42 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:But there was also a long stretch there, pretty much Jan thru April, where it looked like he lost his jump shot, and I was really thinking any last ember of Linsanity was extinguished. This season will answer a lot of questions.


Not making excuses for Lin because he certainly won't make excuses for himself but here are some facts for old-time Nets followers about last season:
    1. End of December Lin rolled ankle against Lakers and hobbled back on 2 days rest, re-rolled ankle in late January in agony on floor another 2 days rest.

    2. Lin, as the only decent defending wing, was rushed back to the floor when Batum/Lamb/Hawes had forever to recover. Reason? Clifford says Lin was the KEY to CHA ability to field a 9-man rotation because "Jeremy battled his way through any difficult matchups he had."

    3. On Feb 9, Lin tweeted a photo of ankle STILL swollen to tennis-ball size proportions and for the first time that season asked for prayers for himself and team.

    4. When you are tasked to expend energy as defensive stopper AND you haven't recovered from an ankle-sprain AND you don't have sufficient muscle memory in a new jumpshot form -- it might affect the accuracy of your shot.
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Post#784 » by hood30 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:28 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Popping in this thread just to point out a couple things.

(1) I don't think Lin fans have a real idea of how impactful MKG is on both ends of the floor, because he only played 7 games last season. They didn't see him enough to get a full appreciation of how much value he brings. By the same token, all I know about RHJ is POR traded him and he's supposed to play good defense, I haven't watched him other than when CHA has played BRK (as I suspect is true for some Lin fans equating him with MKG). I do however have a very hard time believing he is already at MKG's level defensively, given that he has only played a total of 29 games in the NBA.

(2) Some Lin fans may think last year was an aberration for the Hornets, but in the 2013-14 season (Clifford's first year as coach) we had 43 wins with a much more limited roster. The following season we endured a total flop in picking up Lance which derailed the start of our season, Marv underperformed as our new starting PF, and then we also had extended injuries to Kemba, Al, Cody, Biz, and MKG. Pointing to that season as evidence of what should be our expected performance doesn't seem reasonable IMO, it was that 2014-15 season that is more of the aberration.

Carry on.


RHJ has the same potential as MKG and the only advantage that can be given to MKG is the fact that he has more experience than RHJ...that's about it...MKG VS RHJ can be regarded as a draw or a slight advantage for MKG based on experience.

Both players are as close as you can get...both have bad shooting forms...good wing defenders..high energy..good rebounder at their position.

My concern about MKG is all the injuries that he has suffered..H might have to adjust the way he plays to stay healthy and that may diminish his game.
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Post#785 » by yosemiteben » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:38 pm

hood30 wrote:RHJ has the same potential as MKG and the only advantage that can be given to MKG is the fact that he has more experience than RHJ...

Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen that RHJ has played in? How about MKG?
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Post#786 » by hood30 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:53 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
hood30 wrote:RHJ has the same potential as MKG and the only advantage that can be given to MKG is the fact that he has more experience than RHJ...

Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen that RHJ has played in? How about MKG?


I had bought NBA League pass last year, so I got a chance to see a few Nets games at the tail end of the season when RHJ got back from injuries. During that point, it was already known by quite a few Lin fan that Nets could be a possible suitor for Lin's service, so I got a chance to catch a few games.

Not saying I watched all his games, but I've seen enough of him to see he's going to be an influential defender..He won't score much because of his inability to shoot or create his own shot, but have great defending potential.

6'7, great length, great wing-span, great energy...basically a MKG clone.
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Post#787 » by Paradise » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:38 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
hood30 wrote:RHJ has the same potential as MKG and the only advantage that can be given to MKG is the fact that he has more experience than RHJ...

Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen that RHJ has played in? How about MKG?


I mean, that question can be asked both ways. I've watched MKG but that's the point of us comparing his potential to MKG. They both share similar tools, weaknesses and strengths. They both also happen to have near identical rookie season numbers.





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Post#788 » by Paradise » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:54 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
hood30 wrote:RHJ has the same potential as MKG and the only advantage that can be given to MKG is the fact that he has more experience than RHJ...

Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen that RHJ has played in? How about MKG?


I mean, that question can be asked both ways. I've watched MKG but that's the point of us comparing his potential to MKG. They both share similar tools, weaknesses and strengths. They both also happen to have near identical rookie season numbers.

RHJ PER 36 - 9.8 / 9.0 / 2 ASTS / 2 STLS / 51.9 TS%
MKG PER 36 - 12.5 / 8.0 / 2 ASTS / 1 STL / 50.6 TS%







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Post#789 » by yosemiteben » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:25 pm

Paradise wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
hood30 wrote:RHJ has the same potential as MKG and the only advantage that can be given to MKG is the fact that he has more experience than RHJ...

Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen that RHJ has played in? How about MKG?


I mean, that question can be asked both ways. I've watched MKG but that's the point of us comparing his potential to MKG. They both share similar tools, weaknesses and strengths. They both also happen to have near identical rookie season numbers.

I only brought this up because several folks in this thread have said current RHJ = current MKG. When MKG was a rookie, he was 18/19, and that was four full seasons ago. When RHJ was a rookie he was 20/21. Even with his injury issues, MKG has played in around 190 NBA games. RHJ has played in 29. They will not have close to the same impact this season, even if only due to RHJ's relative inexperience.
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Post#790 » by Prokorov » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:07 pm

hood30 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
hood30 wrote:RHJ has the same potential as MKG and the only advantage that can be given to MKG is the fact that he has more experience than RHJ...

Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen that RHJ has played in? How about MKG?


I had bought NBA League pass last year, so I got a chance to see a few Nets games at the tail end of the season when RHJ got back from injuries. During that point, it was already known by quite a few Lin fan that Nets could be a possible suitor for Lin's service, so I got a chance to catch a few games.

Not saying I watched all his games, but I've seen enough of him to see he's going to be an influential defender..He won't score much because of his inability to shoot or create his own shot, but have great defending potential.

6'7, great length, great wing-span, great energy...basically a MKG clone.


he isnt realy close to MKG offensively... which says alot since MKG is kind of an offensive liability.

sky is the limit for RHJ defensively. but offensively he doesnt even have the basics down yet. like HS fundamentals. cant operate at all on the right side of the floor. gets by on athleticism and hustle alone. he has a long way just to get to being competant.

MKGs jumper is broken. be he can handle the ball, he can play on both sides of the floor. his iq is high. he is compfortable around bodies. etc..
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Post#791 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:24 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Paradise wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen that RHJ has played in? How about MKG?


I mean, that question can be asked both ways. I've watched MKG but that's the point of us comparing his potential to MKG. They both share similar tools, weaknesses and strengths. They both also happen to have near identical rookie season numbers.

I only brought this up because several folks in this thread have said current RHJ = current MKG. When MKG was a rookie, he was 18/19, and that was four full seasons ago. When RHJ was a rookie he was 20/21. Even with his injury issues, MKG has played in around 190 NBA games. RHJ has played in 29. They will not have close to the same impact this season, even if only due to RHJ's relative inexperience.


I think we're splitting hairs here but yes, current RHJ is NOT current MKG.

But, with the caveat that RHJ has only played 29 career games, his per 36 is very similar to MKG, except MKG takes 2 more shots per game, which leads to two more points per game. Given their similar height and build, defensive prowess, energy and motor, and limited offense, it's reasonable to compare and project RHJ to MKG. One could argue that RHJ could have 80% of the impact of MKG, rather than "will not have close to the same impact this season" that you argued. We'll see.
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Post#792 » by Mystical Apples » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:26 pm

MKG v RHJ isn't overly exciting (for me at least). Somewhat similar styles and backgrounds, different tools and abilities. I'm high on RHJ though - truly one of my favorite college players.

A top 7-10 career from 2015's draft is the expectation, IMO. And landing him for Plumlee will look downright criminal after Plumlee's new contract.
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Post#793 » by Prokorov » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:07 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:MKG v RHJ isn't overly exciting (for me at least). Somewhat similar styles and backgrounds, different tools and abilities. I'm high on RHJ though - truly one of my favorite college players.

A top 7-10 career from 2015's draft is the expectation, IMO. And landing him for Plumlee will look downright criminal after Plumlee's new contract.


i dont see similar style or background.... and one was much more highly coveted. i dont think RHJ is anywhere near that calibur. i think its lazt because both are excellent defenders who dont posses huge offensive upside.
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Post#794 » by TinmanZBoy » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:41 pm

Flip Murray wrote:
sidestep wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:
No one on the Hornets could set a decent pick. Maybe Hawes was okay. Jefferson was terrible, I'm surprised he didn't get called for an illegal pick each time. Booker is apparently good at setting picks.

I forget where I read it but I saw a post in which a Nets fan expressed concern that Lin is more likely to use the pick to score himself instead of looking for the roll man. This is a misperception but it does have a basis in last year. On the Hornets, Lin often didn't use the pick by going on the pick's other side, or attacking before the pick was set. This made the suckiness of the roll man a moot point, and avoided getting doubled off the pick, but still pulled the defending big man up from the paint. Lin won't have to resort to that so much this year, though not using the pick can sometimes be the right choice regardless.

Fortunately Lopez has good hands. Unlike Zeller, who seemed to fumble any bounce pass in the paint that wasn't at his chest, and if he did manage to catch a bounce pass, he is just as likely to get the ball pried from him. He had a remarkable ability to lose the ball after catching it in traffic hehe. As for Al, it wasn't just that he didn't set good picks, but that his comfort zone was in something opposite, that is, in establishing post position instead. That's what I meant by the comfort zone thing, since Lopez is also a skilled post player.


Disagree about Zeller and the Hornets setting good screens in general. I think you're being a bit unfair to him. Cody aint a great player that's for sure, but if setting screens is cool then you can consider him Miles Davis. I think Zeller is actually one of the best screen setters in the league and a decent finisher out of the pick and roll in general. He has a long way to go though of course. You're right also about Albus if I ever have to watch him set another screen again i'll gouge my eyes out.

1. Cody Zeller shot 59% out of pick and roll last season.

2. Cody Zeller was 5th best in the entire league in points per possession out of the pick and roll (min 100) and he operated as a role man on 29% of the team's possessions, which was the 9th highest number in the league (5th if you go min 100). So he's efficient out of pick and roll at very high volume.

3. NBA tracked hustle stats during the playoffs - Cody Zeller was the 4th best player in the playoffs in "Screen Assists" - which is where the screen he sets leads directly to a basket by the ballhandler. (sample size) http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/hustle/?sort=SCREEN_ASSISTS&dir=1

4. Cody Zeller was the 6th best player in the league in score frequency when he operated the pick and roll (min 100). That's the percentage of time the team scored at least 1 point off of his pick and roll. Testament to Kemba's improvement as well.

5. Only 3 players in the league scored over 200 points as a roll man with at least 1.22 points per possession - Deandre Jordan, Hassan Whiteside and Cody Zeller.

6. On April 17th Coach Clifford said that Cody Zeller had set the 3rd most ball screens in the entire NBA.

7. In the Playoffs, the Hornets were the second best team in team screen assists. (sample size)

So yeah, Cody's interior finishing is ugly and he loses the ball a lot but he's a damn good screen setter. Zeller's finishing aint always stellar but he can run a pick and roll.


finally somebody stated the truth about a "no way" player ;-)
man, i wish you added how Cody defended the PnR...
Cody is ranked at the 18th of next year's free agents by ESPN for a reason, btw, next year's free agents lineup is better and deeper than this year

I will add a little more "wrongs" about Lin's Hornets teammates
1, Kemba is not an Iso type player... only 7.4% of his offensive possessions were Iso plays, instead, around 50% of Kemba's offensive plays are PnRs...
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if you say Kemba is a little bit trigger happy, I will agree... but he is not an Iso player, never was actually...
2, Lee is the quintessential player who plays within himself on both ends, very discipline, that's how his coaches, former or current, like about him...
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Post#795 » by Mystical Apples » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:06 am

Prokorov wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:MKG v RHJ isn't overly exciting (for me at least). Somewhat similar styles and backgrounds, different tools and abilities. I'm high on RHJ though - truly one of my favorite college players.

A top 7-10 career from 2015's draft is the expectation, IMO. And landing him for Plumlee will look downright criminal after Plumlee's new contract.


i dont see similar style or background.... and one was much more highly coveted. i dont think RHJ is anywhere near that calibur. i think its lazt because both are excellent defenders who dont posses huge offensive upside.


Meaning both are from Philly metro and defend. Otherwise yeah a little unfair. Their different body types/proportions alone significantly alters how they play. IE MKG's low center of gravity and inherently strong base gives him defensive versatility and tighter dribble than most wings. I mean, he can get REALLY low off the dribble.
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Post#796 » by shakendfries » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:31 am

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From Seth Partnow (http://bit . ly/2bP7iGb): "The MBTI, as it is known, evaluates a personality across four “dichotomies” to determine how a person perceives and interacts with the world. While not perfect and almost intentionally reductive, MBTI and similar tests measure style more than aptitude. In other words, it’s designed to determine if someone is a comedian, not if they are actually funny.

This focus on style makes MBTI a decent example of a framework around which to build a model of point guard play. The goal is to create a personality test for styles of point guard play.

This personality test is not intended as any sort of ranking. Rather the categories are purely descriptive of style of play, on offense only. Both for simplicity (to keep the number of variables small) and convenience (trying to parse available defensive metrics would be something of a nightmare at present) the other side of the ball is not a part of this discussion.

This isn’t to say defense is unimportant. The old cliche that it’s half the game is mostly true. But “point guard play” as is commonly discussed is explicitly about running an offense. No one has ever had the charge of “not a true point guard” leveled at them because of suspect defense, just ask Steve Nash.

No one style of point guard play is necessarily “best.” So far as can be made out from one season’s worth of data, it’s possible to be an effective player in virtually any combination of theses traits. A player’s level of achievement is a combination of style and ability — there are some point guards who are very effective when they penetrate towards the basket, but don’t do it especially often. Others are mediocre scorers who still shoot too much. This analysis does not attempt to measure or capture the fit between skill and style. It’s a measure only of what a player is trying to do, not how well it is done.

What constitutes a “point guard” is extremely malleable, especially in the modern era of positional versatility. For the purpose of this study, a point guard was defined as someone who would be publicly perceived as such. In this way, both Eric Bledsoe and Goran Dragic can be counted, while LeBron James (who fills the role of offensive facilitator more than many point guards) would not."

Using Partnow's calculations (which can be found at the end), I created charts for the 78 point guards that played over 500 minutes this season.

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Post#797 » by yosemiteben » Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:44 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:Their different body types/proportions alone significantly alters how they play.

I was surprised to learn that when MKG was measured at the combine at 18 years old he weighed 233 pounds, more than both Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminsky did at their combines. RHJ weighed in at just 211 pounds at 20 years old at his combine. MKG weighed more than that when he was measured at the LeBron James camp in 2009 when he was just 15.

MKG looks so wiry and thin, not sure where he carries all that weight.
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Post#798 » by spaceballer » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:13 pm

Apparently he was in "Facebook Building 23" yesterday at Menlo Park. I have no idea why. A bunch of Facebook employees took pictures with him. I wonder why Facebook had him inside their building.

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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#799 » by TTNN » Thu Sep 1, 2016 7:48 am

Mystical Apples wrote:Jeremy Lin's 2015-16 Net Rating splits by team. For prosperity, of course.

SRS rating = the good teams

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This number seems not right, you might want to check it. Not sure where you got this, but they are wrong though.

A simple confirmation check:

Lin's split against GSW: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202391/stats/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&OpponentTeamID=1610612744

Lin's NetRtg = -26.2, and AST/TO = 2.0

And if you check for Kemba: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202689/stats/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&OpponentTeamID=1610612744

Kemba's NetRtg= -20.4, and AST/TO = 1.67


It is hard to draw conclusion if the numbers are not accurate.

And also, I don't get what you are trying to show in this table? So Lin has better game against weaker team, and worse stats against better team? But isn't that everyone is like that? I'm not sure there is any player who has better game against better team, and worse game against bad team?
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#800 » by Mystical Apples » Thu Sep 1, 2016 12:05 pm

TTNN wrote:This number seems not right, you might want to check it. Not sure where you got this, but they are wrong though.

A simple confirmation check:

Lin's split against GSW: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202391/stats/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&OpponentTeamID=1610612744

Lin's NetRtg = -26.2, and AST/TO = 2.0

It is hard to draw conclusion if the numbers are not accurate.

And also, I don't get what you are trying to show in this table? So Lin has better game against weaker team, and worse stats against better team? But isn't that everyone is like that? I'm not sure there is any player who has better game against better team, and worse game against bad team?


It's 2015-16 +/- splits from Basketball Reference. People should feel free to draw their own conclusions. If anything, I attached it as reference against selectively citing XYZ teams while glossing over the less convenient results (or less sexy teams like T-Wolves and Kings).

And no doubt over large sample sizes there's a negative correlation between performance and opponent strength. But the chart isn't supposed to be a rigorous study about all players - to the contrary - it's purpose is to display actual results from the actual player Jeremy Lin in 2015-26.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01/splits/2016
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