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Post#781 » by GTR11 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:52 pm

Paradise wrote:He still looks sad. Nobody knows what kind of personal dynamics might’ve happened since returning home with his entire immediate family.

Like I said, I know personally in my own life it’s extremely hard to balance certain things but I couldn’t imagine having that spotlight and ridicule through it all.

The man isn’t some scrub either, he’s missing time on 27 PPG, 5 REBs, 6 ASTs, 50% FG, 42% 3pt, 99% FT, 63.6% TS%.

Put some respect on his name.


Those Saltics fans will cry tears when we bust their azz and throw parades in NY with Ky leading the group. They can laugh all they want right now, we will take the last one. Going to drop few gifts to them ones we take that trash out.
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Post#782 » by Lamak » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:20 pm

kyrie irving is going through it, too much going on in the world + media spotlight + personal issues = meltdown. wish he would just talk to coaches and front office, he doesnt have to pretend to be tough and go it alone. similar to his play on the court he just needs to not do it all alone, he has the ability and talent to be the best hes younger than harden and durant
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Post#783 » by DarkXaero » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:28 pm

Rumor is that Kyrie's fiancee left him (not following him on IG anymore). Not sure how true it is, but if it is, it explains a lot to me.
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Post#784 » by MGrand15 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:37 pm

This was probably the most concerning Kyrie presser I've seen as a Net. He has this rep as being an a-hole or hating the media but he's usually really nice to the media. He usually tries his best to give good answers. He actually seemed really dejected here and out of it. Especially when talking about anything basketball related.

Not reading too much into it but it wasn't what I expected.
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Post#785 » by Paradise » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:50 pm

DarkXaero wrote:Rumor is that Kyrie's fiancee left him (not following him on IG anymore). Not sure how true it is, but if it is, it explains a lot to me.

Damn.

He has a child by her as well, I believe.
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Post#786 » by 3pt_chucker » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:58 pm

I hope Kyrie takes all the time he needs to get right. Having Harden takes some of that basketball burden away, so the team can work with him on getting right. Him playing doesn't actually mean he is ok either.

From personal experience, mental health stuff can come out of nowhere and take a long time to get back to "normal". I also get not opening up immediately to those closest to you. Like sometimes you need to process it yourself before even expressing it to others. Seems like he eventually reached out to others and is on the roadway to getting back right.

I just hope he can get back right period.... don't even care about the basketball stuff.
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Post#787 » by 3pt_chucker » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:00 pm

Paradise wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Rumor is that Kyrie's fiancee left him (not following him on IG anymore). Not sure how true it is, but if it is, it explains a lot to me.

Damn.

He has a child by her as well, I believe.


Damn, really, really hope that's not true. The Kehlani stuff hit him very hard (and he definitely changed after that), so hoping for his sake this is not the case.
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Post#788 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:10 pm

Paradise wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Rumor is that Kyrie's fiancee left him (not following him on IG anymore). Not sure how true it is, but if it is, it explains a lot to me.

Damn.

He has a child by her as well, I believe.



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Post#789 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:11 pm

3pt_chucker wrote:I hope Kyrie takes all the time he needs to get right. Having Harden takes some of that basketball burden away, so the team can work with him on getting right. Him playing doesn't actually mean he is ok either.

From personal experience, mental health stuff can come out of nowhere and take a long time to get back to "normal". I also get not opening up immediately to those closest to you. Like sometimes you need to process it yourself before even expressing it to others. Seems like he eventually reached out to others and is on the roadway to getting back right.

I just hope he can get back to period right.... don't even care about the basketball stuff.


He is clearly not okay.

I hope playing can give him a distraction from the internal stuff but man he did not look well during the press conference. From what he said, I think he is getting help. I hope he is.
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Re: Official Welcome Home Kyrie Thread 

Post#790 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:34 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Rumor is that Kyrie's fiancee left him (not following him on IG anymore). Not sure how true it is, but if it is, it explains a lot to me.

Damn.

He has a child by her as well, I believe.



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lordy. I can see why.

Jesus......

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Post#791 » by LOUiS-D » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:14 pm

I have a personality disorder myself (avoidant personality) and I can tell you that mental health issues tie you up in knots. To the outside world you can seem distant, arrogant, cruel, uncaring in ways that don't at all match up with your intentions. Life becomes a pursuit of trying to understand how you function, what keeps you on the road and what sends you into a ditch. I'm 37 and I'm still figuring it out. It comes with strenghts, but a lot of facets that aren't well adapted to this society.

Self acceptance is a huge piece to the puzzle. Acceptance from others goes a long way too. I accept Ky as he is.
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Post#792 » by LondonCeltics » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:20 am

What a leader. Definitely not petulant, childish or incapable of dealing with tribulations we all go through. Definitely not a pattern either.

My disdain aside, shame to see this continue to a club I actually like.
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Post#793 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 am

LondonCeltics wrote:What a leader. Definitely not petulant, childish or incapable of dealing with tribulations we all go through. Definitely not a pattern either.

My disdain aside, shame to see this continue to a club I actually like.


There is a pattern, a pattern that leads one to believe that Kyrie has mental health issues that I hope he is being treated for in some capacity. He looked today like he was suffering through some depression. I've never seen him look like that during his time here. I'm actually concerned for his well being...that's not the same guy who usually is excited and gives off a positive vibe in his press meetings. He's clearly going through it.

Does that make him a bad person? Not in the slightest. This is the thing that people don't seem to get about him. He has issues, but I've seen more from him to make me believe that he's a decent human being who uses his privilege earned through his career to help others in need.

However, his issues continue to cause problems in terms of his professional life. That is clear.

He could and should have handled things a lot better. I don't need to know exactly what he's dealing with, frankly it's not our business to be given specifics. However, he had an obligation to communicate better with the Nets so that this didn't devolve into a **** show in the media which led to rampant speculation and negativity. That's where he went wrong here, along with the reckless and frankly insensitivity surrounding him having a maskless party during a pandemic. Not because he needed time away for his mental well being.

Mind you, it is from a position of privilege to even get time away from your job for mental health, most people have to deal with it and suffer in silence. That part is not lost on me either, and as someone who has and still deals with his fair share of bouts with anxiety and depression, I had actually held it against him until it became clear that Kyrie had already come back to the Nets and had been under quarantine for quite some time now. So, we'll see where he goes from here.
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Post#794 » by LOUiS-D » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:59 am

LondonCeltics wrote:What a leader. Definitely not petulant, childish or incapable of dealing with tribulations we all go through. Definitely not a pattern either.

My disdain aside, shame to see this continue to a club I actually like.

If he is capable of being a leader it's not a conventional one. What he appears to be is a highly sensitive person. That can manifest as erratic counterproductive behavior or compassion and insight. We all should be criticized and held to account for our actions and Ky has made more than his share of public mistakes. Intent matters though. I see him as a guy who's tremendously talented and trying to do the right thing, while struggling with the chaotic aspects of his nature.

You can't walk a mile in another person's shoes. Best to give them the benefit of the doubt with regards to their struggles and adjust your expectations. Reserve disdain for the willfully evil. There's plenty of that going around.
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Post#795 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:02 am

LondonCeltics wrote:What a leader. Definitely not petulant, childish or incapable of dealing with tribulations we all go through. Definitely not a pattern either.

My disdain aside, shame to see this continue to a club I actually like.


Kyrie was never the leader of this team and we don't need him to be.

Appreciate your concern though.
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Post#796 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:08 am

LOUiS-D wrote:I have a personality disorder myself (avoidant personality) and I can tell you that mental health issues tie you up in knots. To the outside world you can seem distant, arrogant, cruel, uncaring in ways that don't at all match up with your intentions. Life becomes a pursuit of trying to understand how you function, what keeps you on the road and what sends you into a ditch. I'm 37 and I'm still figuring it out. It comes with strenghts, but a lot of facets that aren't well adapted to this society.

Self acceptance is a huge piece to the puzzle. Acceptance from others goes a long way too. I accept Ky as he is.


Yep. Disorders can make you appear to be very aloof and distant when in reality you're stuck inside your head so much that interacting with other people can be a complete energy drain. On days where my anxiety is in over drive I don't want to talk to anyone and it has nothing to do with them at all, but other people wouldn't understand that unless they have to deal with it.
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Post#797 » by Whiskey Slick » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:18 am

I watched that rambling press conference, the whole thing, and frankly it was scary. Kyrie needs help, and I'm not saying that to be derogatory. Mental health is a serious issue that can lead to serious consequences, and it doesn't take a professional therapist and/or theologian to see he's in a dark place right now. I had two friends as kids, TWO, NOT ONE, who went from normal, fairly happy kids to depressed and mentally ill. I saw it happen. By that I mean the change in their demeanors, the incoherent rambling etc., and I got flashbacks watching Kyrie's press conference. Even if he comes back to play basketball, the team needs to get him professional help. Just talking to family and friends will not suffice. Sometimes they mean well but give you poor advice.
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Post#798 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:00 pm

Whiskey Slick wrote:I watched that rambling press conference, the whole thing, and frankly it was scary. Kyrie needs help, and I'm not saying that to be derogatory. Mental health is a serious issue that can lead to serious consequences, and it doesn't take a professional therapist and/or theologian to see he's in a dark place right now. I had two friends as kids, TWO, NOT ONE, who went from normal, fairly happy kids to depressed and mentally ill. I saw it happen. By that I mean the change in their demeanors, the incoherent rambling etc., and I got flashbacks watching Kyrie's press conference. Even if he comes back to play basketball, the team needs to get him professional help. Just talking to family and friends will not suffice. Sometimes they mean well but give you poor advice.


Yeah family and friends are good support systems but they are not trained professionals.

I cannot fathom anyone in the Nets front office watching that press conference yesterday and being alright with just letting him go without attempting to have him speak with the team's mental health specialist.

He may very well refuse but it's really obvious that he's not in a good headspace.
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Post#799 » by Paradise » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:07 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Whiskey Slick wrote:I watched that rambling press conference, the whole thing, and frankly it was scary. Kyrie needs help, and I'm not saying that to be derogatory. Mental health is a serious issue that can lead to serious consequences, and it doesn't take a professional therapist and/or theologian to see he's in a dark place right now. I had two friends as kids, TWO, NOT ONE, who went from normal, fairly happy kids to depressed and mentally ill. I saw it happen. By that I mean the change in their demeanors, the incoherent rambling etc., and I got flashbacks watching Kyrie's press conference. Even if he comes back to play basketball, the team needs to get him professional help. Just talking to family and friends will not suffice. Sometimes they mean well but give you poor advice.


Yeah family and friends are good support systems but they are not trained professionals.

I cannot fathom anyone in the Nets front office watching that press conference yesterday and being alright with just letting him go without attempting to have him speak with the team's mental health specialist.

He may very well refuse but it's really obvious that he's not in a good headspace.

Who the hell would be in a good place knowing anything said will be used against you ontop of anything significantly personal that you are holding in?

Fans and media have also done a PATHETIC job of creating a safe space. If it’s something personally serious. We will gossip about it. If it’s not something serious to our standards, he will be ridiculed. That is beyond insanity and it will cause anyone to lose it as well.

I’ve seen alot of fans themselves show how mentally ill they are hiding behind a RealGM account or social media page.

Kevin Porter Jr’s behavior is being discussed like he did nothing wrong by talking heads but Kyrie should retire over a missed week?! It’s a two way street.

I’m actually extremely disappointed in Nets fans. The smug entitlement of this fan base is getting too much.
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Post#800 » by Whiskey Slick » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:33 pm

Paradise wrote:Who the hell would be in a good place knowing anything said will be used against you ontop of anything significantly personal that you are holding in?

Fans and media have also done a PATHETIC job of creating a safe space. If it’s something personally serious. We will gossip about it. If it’s not something serious to our standards, he will be ridiculed. That is beyond insanity and it will cause anyone to lose it as well.

I’ve seen alot of fans themselves show how mentally ill they are hiding behind a RealGM account or social media page.

Kevin Porter Jr’s behavior is being discussed like he did nothing wrong by talking heads but Kyrie should retire over a missed week?!

It’s a two way street.

I’m actually extremely disappointed in Nets fans. The smug entitlement of this fan base is getting too much.

One problem, as I see it, because it's actually quite common with depression, is Kyrie is looking around at a fallen world and thinks it's his responsibility to fix it, or even more daunting, that he's capable of fixing it even if he wanted too. Now I realize people who are not Christians (like Kyrie) have a problem with terms like "fallen world". Okay, fair enough, then let's just call it what it is, a world in turmoil. It's cruel, malevolent and rife with suffering. But the beginning of wisdom is the acceptance that YOU CAN'T FIX IT. No one person can fix it. In fact, no collective, no matter how big, can fix it. People have been trying for millennium's and all they accomplish, AT BEST, is to create more chaos. And even if you do manage to take just one big problem and fix it, your life is still destined to be filled with suffering. You'll be betrayed, malevolent people will try to hurt you (and may succeed - see Jesus, MLK and a whole host of people who tried to make a better world). And if you're lucky enough to survive all of the suffering that accompanies life, even for people who seemingly have it all, you can't dodge growing old, sickness, the death of loved ones, betrayal, and eventually your own sickness and death. Wisdom is accepting that life is filled with suffering, with some occasional good moments you should try to enjoy, because you'll have a lot more reasons to feel awful when all is said and done. And that's it, THAT'S LIFE, the moment you accept it and stop imagining you can fix the world when better people than you have tried, and frankly most of us can't even fix ourselves (but we're gonna fix a fallen world?) is the beginning of wisdom.

Look man, I know suffering. I lost my mother, my father and my brother all in the space of two years. My mother to Parkinson's, so I just watched her fade away while keeping my promise to take care of her. My father a year later from a massive and unexpected heart attack, no doubt brought on by both losing his wife and the physical toll it took on him to help me take care of her. Shortly afterwards my brother was diagnosed with ALS, I watched him fade away, and within a year he was dead too, looking like a skeleton, a shell of his former self. I'm not ashamed to admit I needed professional help to cope with so much suffering in such a short time, and I didn't start feeling like myself again until I came to grips with the truth of life, that it's mostly suffering and it's only a matter of time before it starts catching up with you, but most importantly there's nothing you can do to fix it other than accept it and remember you still have a responsibility to yourself and others, no matter how much your impulse is to QUIT, and everyone who discovers the truth about life has that impulse, that's why it's important to speak to a professional and/or put your faith in God that there's better world on the other side with no suffering, aging, sickness, racism, CRUELTY, death and all the rest of it that can drive us crazy if we let it.

I understand not everyone believes in God and respect their freedom to choose, but for a lot of people, particularly those who are going thru the worst of times, losing loved ones, being abandoned or betrayed etc., it's that idea that gives them enough comfort to survive. And for those who don't believe, they can see a professional therapist, or both. For me it was both, but people should seek some kind of help when they need it.

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