2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[Jersey Generals]

Is this serious or sarcasm?

Sarcasm, dude.

[demens]

How is E wrong, when you wrote the following?

How is this:

If it doesn't happen, we're left with a team stacked with talent and ready to complete for a play-off spot.

Mean the same as this:

I have your downside NAILED to a tee. You are deliberately building a medcore team with no shot at high draft pciks, no cap space to sing big time players, no flexibility to do anything but wait for reality to set in that we built a team poorly.

WRONG, WRONG and WRONG

[vincecarter4pres]

Is this serious or sarcasm?

Sarcasm, dude.

I figured.

[SpeedyG]

The problem is with the idiotic way teams who have the cap space look at it and spend their money so unwisely...which is EXACTLY what you want Thorn and the Nets to do.

Tell me, if you're a Pistons fan, are you glad they spent the money on Villanueva and Gordon? The acquired talent right? They got better right?

Explain to me how that has anything to do with what i'm saying. Pistons overpaid for mediocre talent because they had the cap and it was going to be wasted. The equivalent to this would be us chasing after David Lee and Rudy Gay, although at the end of the day those 2 are probably way more talented that is not what i'm proposing at all. I'm proposing trading for talent, and you can call it mediocre if you wish that is either on rookie deals (like Love, Beasley, Randolph) or expires within a year (like Beasley, AK). That is the complete opposite of what the Pistons did, in fact 1 of the reasons i like this particular strategy is so when the pipe dream of Lebron dies, we wont be in desperation mode and give out bad deals to guys that dont deserve them just like the Pistons. Maybe i wasn't explaining right.

Trading/Signing makes no difference. All it is is a method to acquire. It still boils down to one simple fact, in that except in rare situations (or luck), it is better to be one of the worst teams in the NBA than it is to be a middle of the pack team. Look, I don't necessarily have a problem with Love, or Beasley, depending on what we give up and what we get back.

But, as I and Enetric have been saying...no point in doing this now.

This is the type of move we make later on in the off-season, or even in-season.

Not only that, none of my deals would actually prevent us from chasing Lebron. Only exception being AK who i am more then willing to call option B, C or whatever after we know what the deal is with Lebron. It does prevent us from living in this 2 max fantasy, a fantasy not only because it wont happen, but because at the moment, it actually CAN'T happen unless we make more moves.

But the possibility still remains, because all we have to do is make one move, maybe two to get in that realm. We make Love/Beasley deal and it is officially DEAD...because Love and Beasley's contract can't be traded again until sometime in December if we make a deal now.

It happens ALL THE TIME. Just look at how players flocked to LA during Shaq's prime years. Look at how players flocked to Boston with their trio there. It just has never happened that this many players, of this caliber, are in the market at the same time.

I think i have history on my side. Your excuse it that it never happened because there never was this many high caliber players, my reply is that is never happened period. So until it does, its a delusion created by the media. What players have flocked to LA, Payton and Malone? Max players? Who failed miserably btw. What about Boston? Rasheed? It just does not happen.[/quote]

It's not an excuse dude. It's a FACT. That's like saying an African-American President will never happen because "history is on your side because its never happened before". And what I'm saying is, it's never happened, because the CIRCUMSTANCES needed for it to happen has never happened before. Oh and by the way, 2 max deals has happened in the case of Tmac and Hill.

And my point is not necessarily that two max players can't happen, it's to refute your ridiculous mockery of the whole "summit" and that the fact that these guys will consult and talk with each other. I brought up Payton, Malone, Sheed, Finley, Horry, etc.. because it is PROOF that players talk..and they can influence the decisions of where other players go if they have that pull...which Bron, Wade, and company does.

So basically you could have pretty much skipped all that mess earlier and just went right straight to it. Because, faulty logic or not, that's all you care about: improvement right away. Never mind that that improvement will only take us to MAYBE one more round in the playoffs. Never mind that that improvement won't be good enough to accomplish what many of us, and what the new owner wants: a championship.

Ok, so answer this for me. What moves do you see us making in the summer that make us a championship team and dont involve Lebron? I see NONE, absolutely no chance in hell, zero. There is 1 move and 1 move only, and it makes no difference whether there is a 2nd max or a 3rd max or no max. The deals that i'm proposing leave us open to the possibility of this one move happening. If it doesn't happen, we're left with a team stacked with talent and ready to complete for a play-off spot. It also leaves us with plenty of expiring deals and cap space for next season so we can spin this wheel again and try for Melo this time. Now if we're aiming for a 2nd max to be a reason to lure Lebron here in the 1st place, well then i think you all know how i feel about that. If it fails, it leaves us with 6 guys under contract and scrambling to fill the roster.

And again, if we're not getting Lebron, I am more than content in sitting back, letting Devin, Twill, Brook, and whoever we draft at #3 develop this season and repeat the process again next season.

[demens]

And again, if we're not getting Lebron, I am more than content in sitting back, letting Devin, Twill, Brook, and whoever we draft at #3 develop this season and repeat the process again next season.

Wow.

[vincecarter4pres]

Back on topic...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivCtVeCP9XM[/youtube]

Link to the latest Draft Express article on him.

As we quickly found out while watching him work out in Southern California, George is an incredibly tantalizing prospect to watch in person due to his physical tools, versatile skills and considerable upside.

The first thing you notice is that he is much bigger than the 6-7, 190 pounds he was listed at in high school (or even the 6-8 that Fresno State pegged him as), measuring a legit 6-9 in shoes with a solid 6-11 ¼ wingspan at the NBA combine. Clearly he has grown a few inches in the past few years and, although his body could still stand to put on weight, his frame should have no problem filling out over the next few years.

The second thing that stood out about George is just how versatile and dynamic a player he is -- far more than we had given him credit for up until this point. Exceptionally smooth with terrific body control and the ability to get off the floor quickly, George is an extremely impressive athlete.

In terms of pure upside, though, there may not be five players in this draft with more overall talent than what we saw from George in Los Angeles. The buzz around him has been gradually building over the past few weeks, to the point that it’s no longer a stretch to say he could be the first wing player taken after Wesley Johnson.

[Jersey Generals]

We make Love/Beasley deal and it is officially DEAD...because Love and Beasley's contract can't be traded again until sometime in December if we make a deal now.

Untrue.

Edit: Just so we're clear, I'm not advocating making a stupid trade and throwing out the cap space. I'm just saying there are ways to get better, without relying on free agency and without sticking the team into mediocrity hell.

[demens]

Ford says Pistons want a big man and want to trade up. Would the Nets be interested? Its still possible for Wes/Aminu to be there at #7. Do the Pistons have enough talent they can trade to move up?

[vincecarter4pres]

Ford says Pistons want a big man and want to trade up. Would the Nets be interested? Its still possible for Wes/Aminu to be there at #7. Do the Pistons have enough talent they can trade to move up?

Well, Maybe the 3rd for the 7th and Austin Daye, possibly a lotto protected first as well.

Just say no to Aminu though, that dude is overrated as hell. I think he'll be a decent pro, but he's a tweener and he lacks a lot of actual basketball skills and he has a very questionable personality that has me convinced he's a high bust candidate.

[demens]

Ohh Favors is a borderline idiot who has a hard time speaking in sentences and he is "laid back". But Aminu who is actually laid back has a questionable personality.

I also dont think he is a tweener at all. He has excellent SF size and is 100% convinced that is his position. He is working very hard on his handle and shooting to prove it.

We can pick Paul George if you want. But this 6'9 dude is convinced he is a SG. I want a SF.

I would not want Austin Daye, talk about tweener/bust. Maybe i would take Maxiell and a 1 year rental of Prince if they take back Yi. Leaves us max money for next year, but not much incentive to swap picks really. How about Maxiell/Prince/#7/future #1 for #3/Yi/CDR.

[vincecarter4pres]

Ohh Favors is a borderline idiot who has a hard time speaking in sentences and he is "laid back". But Aminu who is actually laid back has a questionable personality.

Don't disagree with you that Favors seems pretty stupid.
Then again, Kenyon wasn't the brightest dude, but he had a good BBIQ, especially on the defensive end. I just think Aminu sounds borderline scared. Will he be intimidated on the NBA level?

I also dont think he is a tweener at all. He has excellent SF size and is 100% convinced that is his position. He is working very hard on his handle and shooting to prove it.

His game is that of a tweener. He's similar to a mix of Luol Deng and Josh Smith. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I think he translates more to the power forward position as a tweener, I'm not especially fond of those types of players, but admittedly, I would think higher of Deng if he wasn't signed to that ridiculous contract and Smith if he wasn't such an immature, pouting, little spoiled brat.

We can pick Paul George if you want. But this 6'9 dude is convinced he is a SG. I want a SF.

I've noticed that in interviews as well. Not the happiest with that proclamation, but if he did translate to the shooting guard position, you would have to admit, he would be a walking, talking, mismatch, on both ends of the floor. I think he could be multi-positional player and the right coach wouldn't allow him to choose his position, but mold him into whichever was the better fit for him to excel and help the team.

I would not want Austin Daye, talk about tweener/bust. Maybe i would take Maxiell and a 1 year rental of Prince if they take back Yi. Leaves us max money for next year, but not much incentive to swap picks really. How about Maxiell/Prince/#7/future #1 for #3/Yi/CDR.

I think it's very unfair to call Daye a bust this early, but I was just listing the type of value Detroit has to offer. It also must be said that if we sent out Yi and took back Wilcox and maybe just got a future pick, wthout Daye coming back, we would be a Humphries opt out or dump from two max salary cap space, without dealing Devin, but I'm sure you'll just scoff at that advantage anyway.

No way I'm taking on Maxiel and his hideous contract either.

[demens]

So the Piston board seems to be OK with the general idea. Here is the last deal we agreed on.

#3/Humph/CDR for #7/Jerebko/Prince/Future #1 (2011 top 5 prot, or 2012 unprotected)

At #7 we'd have our choice of:
Wing: Wes/Aminu/George/Henry
Big: Monroe/Udoh/Davis/Patterson.

A temp starter in Prince for a year. Enough cap for a MAX this year OR Next year. More then capable, super cheap replacement for Humph. And a likely top 10 pick either next year or 2012.

2 max cats, i already know how you fell, go Knicks

[Jersey Generals]

I'd be okay with that. Jerebko is good, he'd be great to have next to Brook. How much is Prince making? 11 million, I think. I'm pretty sure we would have enough room for one max, which would then allow us to sign and trade for another, using Prince if we had a chance at another max.

Edit: Actually, this would have to be after the draft, so why don't you just drop Prince all together, since he throws the monkey wrench into it.

[demens]

I like Prince in here because he is still a solid starter in the NBA. My preferred choice at #7 would be a SF, most likely Aminu. I would rather not put pressure on him to start off the bet, and give him time to learn. And Price is not a bad example for Aminu to learn from. We still have room for a Max guy this year, and he expires next year so whats the harm...that 2nd max? Plus i think Prince is similar to Lee, he can spread the floor although he doesn't take a lot of 3s he shoots a high %, he doesn't need plays ran for him and he defends.

Devin/Twitt/T.White(#27)
Lee/Twitt
Prince/Aminu(#7)
Amare/Jerebko
Brook/Yi

And we get an addition top 10 pick for next season. Come on guys, you really think we will do any better then this this summer????

[vincecarter4pres]

We still have room for a Max guy this year, and he expires next year so whats the harm...that 2nd max,

Yes, that is exactly the harm.
Whether the chance is extremely small or not, that chance at a second max player greatly outweighs any benefits that Tayshaun Prince will bring for one season.

[Preludepunk27]

^^^ I have been saying this for the past 2 months now. A trade involving the addition of salary is something I'm sure we'd entertain in August or September, but at this point, we're not gonna do that until management does not believe we'll nab 2 decent free agents.

[demens]

^^^ I have been saying this for the past 2 months now. A trade involving the addition of salary is something I'm sure we'd entertain in August or September, but at this point, we're not gonna do that until management does not believe we'll nab 2 decent free agents.

If management believes we can nad 2 decent free agents why is there no talk of any trade activity freeing up more cap then? Are we talking Lee/Gay 2 decent free agents here? This management has its head up its ass.

[vincecarter4pres]

^^^ I have been saying this for the past 2 months now. A trade involving the addition of salary is something I'm sure we'd entertain in August or September, but at this point, we're not gonna do that until management does not believe we'll nab 2 decent free agents.

If management believes we can nad 2 decent free agents why is there no talk of any trade activity freeing up more cap then? Are we talking Lee/Gay 2 decent free agents here? This management has its head up its ass.

Why should management be tipping it's hand?
They have obviously been touting our cap space to fans anyway, especially after Proky took over, there is even a mention of it in the new television commercial for season tickets.

[SpeedyG]

^^^ I have been saying this for the past 2 months now. A trade involving the addition of salary is something I'm sure we'd entertain in August or September, but at this point, we're not gonna do that until management does not believe we'll nab 2 decent free agents.

If management believes we can nad 2 decent free agents why is there no talk of any trade activity freeing up more cap then? Are we talking Lee/Gay 2 decent free agents here? This management has its head up its ass.

Because it's the trades that were never discussed publicly that usually goes through.

[demens]

We should really get some kind of bet going because i literally feel like i had visions that nothing remotely close to that will happen. I feel so sure about it, its like i saw the future.