The Official Andrea Bargnani Thread

[kerry kittles]

You can either stay fixated on the good or the bad....or be realistic with the current market of stretch fours. We all would prefer someone much better but the last remaining stretch four is....Josh Smith. From February-April, Bargnani averaged 16.2 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists. Shot 36% from 3 and had a 53.3 TS%.

It's for the vet minimum and there is no guarantee he gets minutes if Corey Jefferson or Cliff Alexander outplays him. If he does earn his minutes, we get a decent stretch four capable of explosive scoring off the bench with similar efficiency to Mirza.

That's a super small sample size. He shot 36% on just 41 attempts. The previous year he shot 27.8% and over the past 4 years he's a 30% 3 point shooter - not good. His 3 point attempts/game have steadily been on the decline the past four years to the point where he had just 1.4 attempts/game and instead he's taking more long 2's the worst shot in basketball. For every basket he scores he gives one up on the defensive end - he is the worst help defender in the league. He is the worst rebounding 7 footer in NBA history. His career TRB% is below 10% which is a joke. We complained about Mirza's rebounding - at least Mirza has never been below 10%. He's a blackhole that makes his teams worse - shown by the +/- numbers and teams playing better without him and worse with him.

One of Cory Jefferson or Cliff Alexander won't make the team because of him. We also potentially have him on the books for 2016-17 taking away a little bit of money we can offer FA's plus a roster spot. He has a reputation for being a poor locker room presence - something we claimed to have just rid ourselves of. And a low energy guy when we're supposedly striving for high energy, young players.

[kerry kittles]

I don't think you guys understand how bad Bargs is. We rationalized his value in every way possible for 7 years. The guy just doesn't care, that's his problem. He's not even a good shooter anymore. Just shoots midrange jumpers and the occasional awkward drive. I can see you guys going through the same process Knicks fans did already. Jim signing with BKN over SAC probably means he was promised a decent role.

Good luck guys but you'll want him off the than by January. He's a net negative, even in limited minutes.

Can't believe we got a lotto pick for him next draft. Thanks Knicks

Agreed. Both my brothers are Knicks fans, and a number of my friends so I watch a decent number of their games. He is such a black hole.

[Paradise]

One of Cory Jefferson or Cliff Alexander won't make the team because of him. We also potentially have him on the books for 2016-17 taking away a little bit of money we can offer FA's plus a roster spot. He has a reputation for being a poor locker room presence - something we claimed to have just rid ourselves of. And a low energy guy when we're supposedly striving for high energy, young players.

The theme on this board was 'no floor spacing' and 'worst shooting team ever'. Which one is it? I personally would've preferred to roll with Alexander, Reed, Jefferson as our bench depth but I also saw the point of view in needing someone with a respectable outside shot. It's dammed if you do, dammned if you don't around here.

[malik959]

I'd say the thing I hated most about barg was that he gives up after contact. He probably finish about 15% of his drives after getting fouled in-which a lot of times he doesn't even attempt the shot.

[VinBaker6]

One of Cory Jefferson or Cliff Alexander won't make the team because of him. We also potentially have him on the books for 2016-17 taking away a little bit of money we can offer FA's plus a roster spot. He has a reputation for being a poor locker room presence - something we claimed to have just rid ourselves of. And a low energy guy when we're supposedly striving for high energy, young players.

Days ago, when it was likely we were keeping both. The theme on this board was 'no floor spacing' and 'worst shooting team ever'. Which one is it? I personally would've preferred to roll with Alexander, Reed, Jefferson as our bench depth but I also saw the point of view in needing someone with a respectable outside shot.

He can't really shoot though (especially threes). When he first came into the league he was great shooting the ball from deep but if you look at his percentages from the last 5 years they've severely plummeted.

[kerry kittles]

One of Cory Jefferson or Cliff Alexander won't make the team because of him. We also potentially have him on the books for 2016-17 taking away a little bit of money we can offer FA's plus a roster spot. He has a reputation for being a poor locker room presence - something we claimed to have just rid ourselves of. And a low energy guy when we're supposedly striving for high energy, young players.

The theme on this board was 'no floor spacing' and 'worst shooting team ever'. Which one is it? I personally would've preferred to roll with Alexander, Reed, Jefferson as our bench depth but I also saw the point of view in needing someone with a respectable outside shot. It's dammed if you do, dammned if you don't around here.

Like VinBaker said - he's not a good shooter. Look at his last 4 years shooting the 3 ball:
34/115 29.6%
38/123 30.9%
30/108 27.8%
15/41 36.6%

117/387 30.2%

He's a 30% 3 point shooter. He made just 15 3 point field goals last year. Looking at just last year's numbers is myopic and disregarding the small sample size. His 3 point field attempts/game have decrease each of the past four years. He's not taking many 3's. He took less than 2 3's/game last year. These are not numbers of a guy whose a good 3 point shooter - both the attempts and the %.

[Universe]

Not sure if people are being serious. Andrea played in 29 games. Knicks lost 65 games.

[Net Sentence]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

[Paradise]

He can't really shoot though (especially threes). When he first came into the league he was great shooting the ball from deep but if you look at his percentages from the last 5 years they've severely plummeted.

His inefficiency isn't something were not already used to. Teletovic was similar in numbers last season. Shot 31% from three and isn't nearly as efficient with long twos to even make up for that poor efficiency from three. Bargnani can atleast hang his hat on mid range shots. I'm not crazy about it either but I understand the logic of testing him out as a Teletovic replacement for a year. Bargnani will be Steve Novak or Matt Booner on a team coached by Lionel Hollins. If he doesn't defend or rebound, he sits. Simple.

We didn't stupidly trade multiple picks to make him our secondary option. We have no obligation to keep him if he displays the characteristics that you described.

[Scott Hall]

My condolences guys

[Spens1]

All I can think about is that video of Bargnani going up for a layup and completely falling on his ass, while "I believe I can fly" plays in the background.


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on the signing itself, its pretty harmless so long as its on a minimum. mind you Lopez and Bargnani doesn't exactly strike fear into opposing teams either, seems rather poor defensively

[kerry kittles]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/620367766915158016[/tweet]

1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

[Universe]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/620367766915158016[/tweet]

1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

Who would you have signed for the minimum then who still is on the market?

[kerry kittles]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/620367766915158016[/tweet]

1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

Who would you have signed for the minimum then who still is on the market?

Bargs is a negative on the court. I would roll the dice with one of our younger players instead of rolling with Bargs as there would be great upside. On a vet min I'd look at Withey or Hansbrough instead of Bargs. I also would've pursued Cole Aldrich more aggressively who just signed a vet min contract a couple days ago.

This is also a two year deal if Bargs opts in next year. I don't know why we gave him a 2nd year. It adds some salary to the books next year and gives up a roster spot.

[MrDollarBills]

You guys don't realize it yet, but you will see, that somehow this guy just infuses a losing mentality to a team and wills them to losses by merely existing.

His defense is unimaginably awful as well.

Hopefully King waives him by December to save your season.

You guys will realize that Barg is most likely our 12, 13 or 14th man on our team while Barg was your starting PF/C last year.

We are not expecting him to play significant minutes let a lone be a Great Fit.

If it doesnt work out, we wont be losing much.

No he's going to be a rotation player for you, he wants to play not ride the bench that was one of the issues with him on the Knicks, his confidence was shot when he was not starting. Bargs isn't gonna take the minimum and sit on the bench he would have just signed oversees and played more. He's probably your first big off the bench in which case your 2nd unit will constantly blow leads because he's a terrible help defender, I mean the worst, his awareness is that of a blind man(no disrespect to the blind). His shot has gotten worse, he cant finish around the rim, he cant pass, he doesn't rebound or box out. You better hope he doesn't play at all.

How is this dude going to come here and tell US that he's going to be a rotation player for us? This dude doesn't even know 1.10th of what is going on with our club yet he's dictating rotations?

What a jackass of a post. Jesus christ please go back to the Knicks board and never return, you're embarrassing the fans who came over here to offer legit insight.

[MrDollarBills]

F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/620367766915158016[/tweet]

1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

Who would you have signed for the minimum then who still is on the market?

Bargs is a negative on the court. I would roll the dice with one of our younger players instead of rolling with Bargs as there would be great upside. On a vet min I'd look at Withey or Hansbrough instead of Bargs. I also would've pursued Cole Aldrich more aggressively who just signed a vet min contract a couple days ago.

This is also a two year deal if Bargs opts in next year. I don't know why we gave him a 2nd year. It adds some salary to the books next year and gives up a roster spot.

You are literally bitching just to bitch, it is a low risk MINIMUM signing to see if this guy can stretch the floor for us in spot minutes. You bitch about Thad, bitch about D-Will getting kicked out of here, bitch bitch bitch. The Nets need shooting in any way possible without compromising the cap space. Psycho T is not a shooter. Vet min signings do not **** up cap space. The guy will either hit shots when he gets minutes, or he will sit. Big deal. You act like they brought him in here to play 36 mins a night

Billy King, to his credit, has done his best to dig this team out of the mess he and the Russians have made and frankly, I think he's doing a decent job with the limited resources that he has.

[kerry kittles]

Who would you have signed for the minimum then who still is on the market?

Bargs is a negative on the court. I would roll the dice with one of our younger players instead of rolling with Bargs as there would be great upside. On a vet min I'd look at Withey or Hansbrough instead of Bargs. I also would've pursued Cole Aldrich more aggressively who just signed a vet min contract a couple days ago.

This is also a two year deal if Bargs opts in next year. I don't know why we gave him a 2nd year. It adds some salary to the books next year and gives up a roster spot.

You are literally bitching just to bitch, it is a low risk MINIMUM signing to see if this guy can stretch the floor for us in spot minutes. You bitch about Thad, bitch about D-Will getting kicked out of here, bitch bitch bitch. The Nets need shooting in any way possible without compromising the cap space. Psycho T is not a shooter. Vet min signings do not **** up cap space. The guy will either hit shots when he gets minutes, or he will sit. Big deal. You act like they brought him in here to play 36 mins a night

Billy King, to his credit, has done his best to dig this team out of the mess he and the Russians have made and frankly, I think he's doing a decent job with the limited resources that he has.

Calm down, seriously.

He's not really spacing the court. He's a 30% 3 point shooter over the last 4 years and the number of 3's he's taken each of the last 4 years has decreased. He took under 2 3 point fied goal attempts/game.

It's a 2 year contract. It commits some more salary to the books in 2016-17 and another roster spot. It's not a one year minimum contract.

I said we took a step back on the court from letting Deron going, but said I'm okay with it as we're saving money going forward.

It seems to me that you're narrative has changed with every move this offseason.

When we resigned Thad it was about fielding the best team possible as better teams attract better free agents.

When we cut ties with Deron it was it's okay if we take a step back on the court as we need high energy, good locker room players to build upon. That that is more important than merely wins/losses which contradicts what you said after resigning Thad.

We sign Bargs who has a reputation as poor locker room guy, is a low effort player. Now the narrative is his shooting - which he really isn't all that good at trumps his poor attitude/work ethic things you were preaching after we cut ties with Thad.

[MrDollarBills]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

Mirza was firing up bricks last season, and honestly he never was a reliable floor spacer. If you can get this guy to play a few mins a nice to space the floor for the 2nd unit, at a fraction of the cost, what's the big problem?

Seriously, some of these posts in the thread are nauseating, you have idiots from outside the fanbase coming in here acting like we picked this bum up to start and play 36 mins a night, and others just bitching and whining about every move King has done this summer.

It sucks that Cory Jefferson is going to get cut. I wish we could retain him but unless he outplays Alexander he will have to find a new job. It sucks because I like him, and think that he can continue to develop if he keeps working hard but as of right now Alexander has some legit tools to be a rotational NBA player. We also needed floor spacing without compromising our cap and also going back into lux tax territory

The right moves have been made all summer long. Stop it

[Duffman100]

Good luck! The guy is the most infuriating player you'll ever have the honor of watching. I hope he does get benched, routinely, because otherwise you might lose you minds.

For the vet minimum though, there's no need to play him. If he sucks, just cut him.

[NyCeEvO]

You guys don't realize it yet, but you will see, that somehow this guy just infuses a losing mentality to a team and wills them to losses by merely existing.

His defense is unimaginably awful as well.

Hopefully King waives him by December to save your season.

You guys will realize that Barg is most likely our 12, 13 or 14th man on our team while Barg was your starting PF/C last year.

We are not expecting him to play significant minutes let a lone be a Great Fit.

If it doesnt work out, we wont be losing much.

No he's going to be a rotation player for you, he wants to play not ride the bench that was one of the issues with him on the Knicks, his confidence was shot when he was not starting. Bargs isn't gonna take the minimum and sit on the bench he would have just signed oversees and played more. He's probably your first big off the bench in which case your 2nd unit will constantly blow leads because he's a terrible help defender, I mean the worst, his awareness is that of a blind man(no disrespect to the blind). His shot has gotten worse, he cant finish around the rim, he cant pass, he doesn't rebound or box out. You better hope he doesn't play at all.

How many vet min players are 6th/7th men? If they reach that position in the rotation, it's because they played better than the other guys below him, not because they requested it and the team honored their request.

LOL at the idea that Andrea Bargnani has demanded major minutes and a team has cowered in fear and honored his request. He got the lowest contract that he can get as an NBA player. If he doesn't like starting off as an 11th/12th man, he gets the boot. It's that simple.