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Post#81 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:56 am

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NyCeEvO wrote:And it's all related to the draft or Around the NBA talk, each of which have their own threads. It doesn't warrant a separate discussion in its own thread.


How is it good to mix prospect discussion with how the Celtics are playing? Sure they both involve the draft but they're separate topics that would just get congested in one thread.


One thread discusses the prospects, the other discusses a team's performance that dictates WHERE we're picking.


That'd be like mixing the Brook Lopez and CMC threads just because they both play in the frontcourt

If you want to know inside information about how the Celtics are playing go to the Celtics board.
If you want to talk about how the Celtics and/or any other team in the league is playing with Nets fans, post in the Around the NBA thread.
If you want to discuss the pick situation, use the draft thread (which is all-encompassing).

Two threads were created on the same topic (one by you, and another by MDB a few nights ago). Both of them quickly devolved into pissing contests between both fanbases.

As Rich said when the other thread was locked "No, we do not need to invite (or bait) them over here." We're not going to have a full season of baiting back and forth.


I agree, do we really need to "watch" them?

i mean...they basically rest their franchise's hopes in us losing games

every time we win. a piece of them dies inside.

the mods make sense here.

why watch what they do? i damn sure don't have the time during my day to watch celtics games. my nba viewing is limited to the nets and maybe an nba tv or tnt match up (like raps vs cavs tonight which was a barnburner). i don't have time or the care to watch another team aside from my beloved Nets. Celtics fans are losers.

the fact that these guys watch our games is impressive though. you'd think that drinking all day on sobieski from 8am would impair a human being later on in the day, but no, Bostonians are a different breed of animal.
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Post#82 » by jbeachboy » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:20 am

so our pick will be around what number?
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Post#83 » by Curns13 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:33 am

jbeachboy wrote:so our pick will be around what number?

I'll tell you in 6 months.
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Post#84 » by Ror1997 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:51 am

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Ror1997 wrote:yeah its kind of upsetting the mods just let the Celtic fans walk all over us. The Celtic fans have had a Brooklyn watch thread for 3 years now, and we can't even have one for 3 hours.

Nets fans wouldn't know what Celtics fans were doing unless they went over to the Celtics board to laugh at them after every Nets win.

A number of Nets fans talk bad about Celtics fans, but now we want to mimic them? Just because one fanbase is allowed to gloat about another team doesn't mean we need to do the same or return the favor. This isn't a game who can make the most fun of each other or who laughs last. There's no need for a thread about them especially considering that they own the rights to choose to keep their pick or swap with us.

All of our draft talk can go in the draft thread.


I don't know about you, but I visit a lot of the forums just to see what fans are talking about. I get bored I guess...no pun intended.

I agree that all the draft talk can go into the draft thread. I told Celtic fans that too, and they were **** about it.

So if they intentionally want to be dicks about it then we should absolutely give them a taste of their own medicine.
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Post#85 » by Rich Rane » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:27 am

I'll address the thread title change once. We're already dealing with a huge influx of new Nets fan, a lot of good ones but a portion that have not been harmonious with previous fanbases. We have no intention of letting this board lower itself because a certain other board decided to do just that and invite more distractions to basketball discussions here. Please do not comment further on this as your post will be deleted and/or face a suspension for detailing.
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Post#86 » by Ror1997 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:25 pm

Celtics play the Mavs at home today. Dallas is missing dirk, harris, and douche who shall not be named. Probably going to be a W for Boston.
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Post#87 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:23 pm

Ror1997 wrote:Celtics play the Mavs at home today. Dallas is missing dirk, harris, and douche who shall not be named. Probably going to be a W for Boston.



Their fans wish injuries on our players. I hope the floor in Dallas is wet tonight.
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Post#88 » by Paradise » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:50 am

There aren't that many bigs in this draft class but they certainly are extremely skilled.

Thomas Bryant is expected to be within our range. He's going to be a beast.




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Post#89 » by shakendfries » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:12 pm

Isaiah Hartenstein is a talented German big man who is currently playing overseas. His ties to Chris Fleming, the Nets offensive coordinator, from the German National team has drawn my interest. He is currently struggling to get extended minutes while playing behind more seasoned veterans, which has compromised his perceived talent, but The Step Back has provided a detailed breakdown of the prospect.

Isaiah Hartenstein and the value of domestic league play

Scouting can be challenging for international NBA Draft prospects. The circumstances these players play in vary greatly from the familiar and relatively structured NCAA. The level of competition changes from league to league, and the goals and aspirations vary from team to team within those leagues. The result is that prior production in European leagues can be of little use for assessing a player’s readiness for the NBA.

International prospects from the last few years have painted the picture of just how hard this can be. Kristaps Porzingis shot 31.2 percent from the perimeter in ACB play in 2014-2015, but was putting up a 45.9 percent clip in Eurocup play at the same time. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot was a struggling secondary scorer for a French junior league team, then went to Mega Leks with their army of 18-to-22-year-old players, and became the team’s leader. Dragan Bender was a superstar in international camps, and then couldn’t get any playing time for a disastrous Maccabi Tel Aviv team. Meanwhile his Croatian teammate, Ante Zizic, was putting up one of the most productive seasons ever by a draft-eligible European player at Cibona.

What, then, do you do with a player like Isaiah Hartenstein? Hartenstein is an 18-year-old German prospect who’s playing at Zalgiris in Lithuania and is on NBA Draft radars for 2017. He’s been playing as a bench player in the Lithuanian league, averaging 5.1 points, 2.4 rebounds, and 0.7 blocks per game and even earning a start in the opener against Siauliai. He’s alternated between very good and very bad stretches, and has played all of five minutes in one of the team’s six Euroleague games. With no other standard to compare him to than the level of Lithuanian league competition, it’s been difficult to get an early read on how he’ll translate to the next level.

The Lithuanian league isn’t a top-tier league in Europe. Below the likes of the Spanish ACB, the VTB League in Russia, and the Adriatic League in the Balkans, the LKL is more in line with the domestic leagues of Italy, France, and Israel, with one or two elite teams and a lower level of overall talent below them. Much like Maccabi Tel Aviv (until recently) in Israel, Zalgiris is expected to handle their business domestically, and instead focus their attention on being competitive in Euroleague, where they are a full-time member. This allows them to stagger their roster between the two competitions, relying on their depth in the domestic league and their talent in Euroleague. This means Hartenstein gets squeezed out of the rotation against stronger opponents.

To a certain point, this is to be expected. At 18-years-old, Hartenstein is by far the youngest player to earn minutes for Zalgiris, and he certainly plays like his age at times. Hartenstein averages 7.2 fouls per 36 minutes, and he struggles with advanced concepts on the floor. He gets lost on the floor defensively, watching his man more than the ball, and he doesn’t have great control or coordination of his body at this point.

This has kept Hartenstein out of the rotation for stretches, along with his issues with conditioning. Therefore, the fact that Hartenstein isn’t seeing Euroleague minutes isn’t surprising, and even his lack of domestic league minutes makes sense, as this is a veteran team that isn’t interested in letting a young player play through mistakes, like Mega Leks and Strasbourg seem to be.

The question then becomes whether this should be an indictment of Hartenstein or not. Most NBA-caliber international prospects of the last half-decade have at least played rotation minutes in domestic play, even during their 18-year-old season. Even on a veteran squad, his talents could be useful. It’s hard to say no to a big man who can do the things that he has shown glimmers of this year.



That Hartenstein’s issues have held him off the floor despite his passing and scoring ability is a definite concern. Those defensive shortcomings in particular will keep him off the floor early on in the NBA, where he will get picked apart by pick-and-roll looks that will force him to defend more in space than he’s had to in Lithuania. Even if Hartenstein continues his development on the offensive end, his fitness and defensive IQ are significant question marks.

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It’s also worth wondering how much of his positives have come at the expense of competition. Many domestic leagues are at a size disadvantage against bigger prospects — the Lithuanian league is a bit unique, in that there’s a league-wide drop-off in quickness from the higher levels of competition. With Hartenstein’s mobility in the open floor, he’s had success getting in spots where Zalgiris’s guards can find him on dump-offs, and it’s allowed him to have a bit of an inflated ability to score off the bounce. While on the defensive end, his early success in post defense can be attributed to his agility in recovering.

This is why continental competitions and world tournaments are so valuable for the international scout, and why Hartenstein is so frustrating. If he could earn some Euroleague minutes, we’d get to see him compete with some big men at a similar skill level, like Nikola Milutinov of Olympiacos or Colton Iverson of Maccabi Tel Aviv. Similarly, we haven’t seen Hartenstein play in a FIBA competition since last July at the U-18 Euros, and only have his Basketball without Borders camp breakdown to go off of. He’s looked good in the competitions he played in in 2014 and 2015, and that’s where his potential has come from.

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At this point, Hartenstein’s body of work relies more on potential than actual substance, and it would be nice to see him show that potential against a higher level of competition, or at least more consistently at the domestic level.
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Post#91 » by Paradise » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:18 pm

Isaiah Hartenstein - 12 Points, 2 Rebounds, 1 Block, 2/2 3PT in 13 minutes.






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Post#93 » by shakendfries » Sun Dec 4, 2016 7:53 pm

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Monk is playing himself into the lottery though :(
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Post#94 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 4, 2016 8:15 pm

Monk is NOT going to be anywhere near where that Celtics pick will land. Please lets not get hopes up here.
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Post#95 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Dec 4, 2016 11:28 pm

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Monk is playing himself into the lottery though :(

Big time athleticism and a great 3pt stroke?

No, he's falling far at all lol.
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Post#96 » by shakendfries » Mon Dec 5, 2016 5:27 pm

Paradise wrote:I'm going to be honest here...Outside of Levert. I see nobody worth to keep long term at the guard position. Once again, we lose due to absolute tissue paper perimeter defense. I think Kilpatrick should be our 6th man but his defense and passing is so bad that it diminishes the points he does put up. I don't mind losing him as well. In fact, if I'm Marks. I'd rebuild the hell out of our wing rotation this summer. We should clean house this off-season with everyone at the SG/SF position that isn't LeVert, RHJ, Harris.

Malik Monk



Terrance Furguson



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NBA Comparison: James White/Terrence Ross
Strengths: 6’7 high flying and sharp shooting guard … Good size for a wing … Knock down three point shooter. Gets great elevation on his shot and can shoot from NBA range ... Very effective in catch and shoot situations ... Gets his feet set quickly and doesn’t have any wasted motion in his shot … Tremendous one foot leaper … Strong on ball defender ... Very active and shows great commitment to the defensive end ... Takes pride in guarding the opposing team’s best perimeter player … Very good team player ... Highly unselfish, takes smart shots ... Plays within the flow of the offense ... Plays within himself, doesn’t force his offense or get discouraged if he’s not the one taking the shots. Buys into the game plan and understands how the game should be played … Likable personality. Enjoys being on the court with his team …

Weaknesses: Although he has incredible athleticism, he rarely shows it in a game especially in a half court set. Needs to get a lot stronger to make plays through contact ... Lacks much in the way of a midrange game … Needs to improve as a ball handler and his playmaking ability ... Doesn’t have much wiggle or creativity on offense ... He’s a straight line driver and doesn’t break down the defense ... Doesn’t have a wide variety to his scoring arsenal ... Doesn’t provide much offensively if his shot isn’t falling … He plays well within the offense, but isn’t the type to put the team on his back and score in bunches in times of desperation … Can be passive at times. While the majority of the time (in high school) he’s been both the best athlete and best shooter on the floor, he doesn’t always assert himself as the best player on the floor ...

Outlook: YouTube sensation Terrance Ferguson is taking the step of playing professional basketball in Australia instead of playing for Arizona ... Unlike Emmanuel Mudiay, Ferguson isn’t quite a surefire one and done prospect ... He had a standout high school career playing for Prime Prep and Advanced Prep International, also represented Team USA as well as being a McDonald’s All American ...

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The 6'7'' SG is currently playing professionally in Australia (ex: Mudiay method) so I'm sure Marks' international scouts are keeping a close eye on his development





Talented - no doubt, but it seems he has a penchant for getting under his opponents' skins





Not sure what this says about his personality, but the current NBA Aussies tend to be scrappy players (Dellavedova, Baynes) so it could be nothing out of the ordinary
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Post#97 » by shakendfries » Wed Dec 7, 2016 3:06 pm

I don't think there's any question that this might be the best draft of the decade











If I was Marks, I'd weigh my options closely if given the opportunity to find your way into the lottery
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Post#98 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Dec 7, 2016 6:18 pm

shakendfries wrote:I don't think there's any question that this might be the best draft of the decade











If I was Marks, I'd weigh my options closely if given the opportunity to find your way into the lottery


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Post#99 » by shakendfries » Wed Dec 7, 2016 6:42 pm

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shakendfries wrote:If I was Marks, I'd weigh my options closely if given the opportunity to find your way into the lottery


How?


i don't know

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Post#100 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Dec 7, 2016 9:58 pm

I don't think there's anything on this roster that can get us into the 1st. We'll have to tale what we can get.
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