Steve Nash is not fit to coach in the NBA

[Paradise]

Overreaction city in here.

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This is why I’ve been quiet. He’s been bailed out by hall of fame talent in must win games and has no adjustments beyond massive minute usage.

When it’s a close game, we’ve shown no defensive adjustments to get us anywhere. Not even a zone. Atleast, Kenny did that when it was necessary.

We let KD ISO with a timeout remaining...that’s not an overreaction. He’s not proven he can do much without two HC candidates running the show for him. Period.

We likely lose MDA and Udoka. His entire backbone.

[Paradise]

If we hired Ty Lue instead do we win this series?

I think probably yes.

i think we win in 5. to me game 3 was our biggest coaching initiated loss of the year. if we win game 3, its over in 5. maybe 4 if they were defeated down 3-0.

Exactly. We blew it in Game 3.

[Hello Brooklyn]

If we hired Ty Lue instead do we win this series?

I think probably yes.

i think we win in 5. to me game 3 was our biggest coaching initiated loss of the year. if we win game 3, its over in 5. maybe 4 if they were defeated down 3-0.

I was so angry after Game 3 for good reason.

Yes if we have Ky we win the series. But even if we lose him. We win the series if we don't give away Game 3.

No way do we lost 4 straight. Not with Kevin Durant.

[DarkXaero]

Overreaction city in here.

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This is why I’ve been quiet. He’s been bailed out by hall of fame talent in must win games and has no adjustments beyond massive minute usage.

When it’s a close game, we’ve shown no defensive adjustments to get us anywhere. Not even a zone. Atleast, Kenny did that when it was necessary.

We let KD ISO with a timeout remaining...that’s not an overreaction. He’s not proven he can do much without two HC candidates running the show for him. Period.

We likely lose MDA and Udoka. His entire backbone.

There were defensive adjustments.

We didn't take a timeout at the end because the play would have been the same: a KD iso. KD already had the ball in his hands with a mismatch (Jrue), the Bucks defense wasn't entirely set, and if we took a timeout, they could have thrown a hard double at KD. What you're using is hindsight.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Overreaction city in here.

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This is why I’ve been quiet. He’s been bailed out by hall of fame talent in must win games and has no adjustments beyond massive minute usage.

When it’s a close game, we’ve shown no defensive adjustments to get us anywhere. Not even a zone. Atleast, Kenny did that when it was necessary.

We let KD ISO with a timeout remaining...that’s not an overreaction. He’s not proven he can do much without two HC candidates running the show for him. Period.

We likely lose MDA and Udoka. His entire backbone.

There were defensive adjustments.

We didn't take a timeout at the end because the play would have been the same: a KD iso. KD already had the ball in his hands with a mismatch (Jrue), the Bucks defense wasn't entirely set, and if we took a timeout, they could have thrown a hard double at KD. What you're using is hindsight.

A timeout gives KD a second to get a breather.

What is the point of not taking it unless you have a play in mind and don't want the defense to get set?

It made no sense not to take it.

That combined with his insistence to play Joe Harris 40 minutes was unforgivable.

I've tried to be fair on Nash. But he was terrible in that Game 7.

[DarkXaero]

This is why I’ve been quiet. He’s been bailed out by hall of fame talent in must win games and has no adjustments beyond massive minute usage.

When it’s a close game, we’ve shown no defensive adjustments to get us anywhere. Not even a zone. Atleast, Kenny did that when it was necessary.

We let KD ISO with a timeout remaining...that’s not an overreaction. He’s not proven he can do much without two HC candidates running the show for him. Period.

We likely lose MDA and Udoka. His entire backbone.

There were defensive adjustments.

We didn't take a timeout at the end because the play would have been the same: a KD iso. KD already had the ball in his hands with a mismatch (Jrue), the Bucks defense wasn't entirely set, and if we took a timeout, they could have thrown a hard double at KD. What you're using is hindsight.

A timeout gives KD a second to get a breather.

What is the point of not taking it unless you have a play in mind and don't want the defense to get set?

It made no sense not to take it.

That combined with his insistence to play Joe Harris 40 minutes was unforgivable.

I've tried to be fair on Nash. But he was terrible in that Game 7.

A timeout does give KD a breather but again, that's hindsight analysis. We have no idea if that breather would be enough for him to be able to make a shot. I think if we take a timeout, Bucks defense would have doubled KD and forced anyone else to make a shot.

Timeouts should have been taken earlier in that overtime period for rest, but I also do understand why they weren't because we were missing some good looks. There was a lot of back & forth possessions where neither team could score. That Joe Harris wide open 3 with less than a minute left, I mean you can't ask for a better look than that. Joe Harris let us down severely, and after injuries, his play is the biggest reason why we lost this series. Nash paid the price of putting his faith in Joe and while I do agree that Nash shouldn't have played Joe that many minutes in game 7, I do understand why he did. That's your $19 mill/yr player who led the league in 3pt%, and there was always the feeling that he can finally start making his wide open 3s at some point.

[Hello Brooklyn]

There were defensive adjustments.

We didn't take a timeout at the end because the play would have been the same: a KD iso. KD already had the ball in his hands with a mismatch (Jrue), the Bucks defense wasn't entirely set, and if we took a timeout, they could have thrown a hard double at KD. What you're using is hindsight.

A timeout gives KD a second to get a breather.

What is the point of not taking it unless you have a play in mind and don't want the defense to get set?

It made no sense not to take it.

That combined with his insistence to play Joe Harris 40 minutes was unforgivable.

I've tried to be fair on Nash. But he was terrible in that Game 7.

A timeout does give KD a breather but again, that's hindsight analysis. We have no idea if that breather would be enough for him to be able to make a shot. I think if we take a timeout, Bucks defense would have doubled KD and forced anyone else to make a shot.

Timeouts should have been taken earlier in that overtime period for rest, but I also do understand why they weren't because we were missing some good looks. There was a lot of back & forth possessions where neither team could score. That Joe Harris wide open 3 with less than a minute left, I mean you can't ask for a better look than that. Joe Harris let us down severely, and after injuries, his play is the biggest reason why we lost this series. Nash paid the price of putting his faith in Joe and while I do agree that Nash shouldn't have played Joe that many minutes in game 7, I do understand why he did. That's your $19 mill/yr player who led the league in 3pt%, and there was always the feeling that he can finally start making his wide open 3s at some point.

Its not hindsight. It made no sense to not use the timeout at the time!

The only advantage of not taking one is to catch the defense off guard with some play. We had none. It was just KD iso.

So makes way more sense to let him rest. If they double KD then let someone else take it.

And I think its far less defensible to play Joe Harris.

He didn't have one bad game. He was literally terrible for 5 straight games. At some point you have to try something else.

We saw him doing the same thing in Game 7. This is after Jeff Green scored 27! And you play him 13 minutes???

[Prokorov]

There were defensive adjustments.

We didn't take a timeout at the end because the play would have been the same: a KD iso. KD already had the ball in his hands with a mismatch (Jrue), the Bucks defense wasn't entirely set, and if we took a timeout, they could have thrown a hard double at KD. What you're using is hindsight.

A timeout gives KD a second to get a breather.

What is the point of not taking it unless you have a play in mind and don't want the defense to get set?

It made no sense not to take it.

That combined with his insistence to play Joe Harris 40 minutes was unforgivable.

I've tried to be fair on Nash. But he was terrible in that Game 7.

A timeout does give KD a breather but again, that's hindsight analysis. We have no idea if that breather would be enough for him to be able to make a shot. I think if we take a timeout, Bucks defense would have doubled KD and forced anyone else to make a shot.

Timeouts should have been taken earlier in that overtime period for rest, but I also do understand why they weren't because we were missing some good looks. There was a lot of back & forth possessions where neither team could score. That Joe Harris wide open 3 with less than a minute left, I mean you can't ask for a better look than that. Joe Harris let us down severely, and after injuries, his play is the biggest reason why we lost this series. Nash paid the price of putting his faith in Joe and while I do agree that Nash shouldn't have played Joe that many minutes in game 7, I do understand why he did. That's your $19 mill/yr player who led the league in 3pt%, and there was always the feeling that he can finally start making his wide open 3s at some point.

I wouldnt have called a timeout.... until it became clear KD was about to take a forced awful shot. and even then, i probably just let him try and make that forced awful shot... since he kind of just did. i would have preferred KD drove as apposted to a turn aorund, but whatever that wasnt close to the biggest issue.

[DarkXaero]

A timeout gives KD a second to get a breather.

What is the point of not taking it unless you have a play in mind and don't want the defense to get set?

It made no sense not to take it.

That combined with his insistence to play Joe Harris 40 minutes was unforgivable.

I've tried to be fair on Nash. But he was terrible in that Game 7.

A timeout does give KD a breather but again, that's hindsight analysis. We have no idea if that breather would be enough for him to be able to make a shot. I think if we take a timeout, Bucks defense would have doubled KD and forced anyone else to make a shot.

Timeouts should have been taken earlier in that overtime period for rest, but I also do understand why they weren't because we were missing some good looks. There was a lot of back & forth possessions where neither team could score. That Joe Harris wide open 3 with less than a minute left, I mean you can't ask for a better look than that. Joe Harris let us down severely, and after injuries, his play is the biggest reason why we lost this series. Nash paid the price of putting his faith in Joe and while I do agree that Nash shouldn't have played Joe that many minutes in game 7, I do understand why he did. That's your $19 mill/yr player who led the league in 3pt%, and there was always the feeling that he can finally start making his wide open 3s at some point.

Its not hindsight. It made no sense to not use the timeout at the time!

The only advantage of not taking one is to catch the defense off guard with some play. We had none. It was just KD iso.

So makes way more sense to let him rest. If they double KD then let someone else take it.

And I think its far less defensible to play Joe Harris.

He didn't have one bad game. He was literally terrible for 5 straight games. At some point you have to try something else.

We saw him doing the same thing in Game 7. This is after Jeff Green scored 27! And you play him 13 minutes???

It is hindsight. KD iso with a mismatch is the play we would have wanted and it's the play we got without a timeout.

"If they double KD then let someone else take it. "

So out of Joe Harris, Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, and hobbled Harden on one leg, who do you want to take the series deciding final shot for the Nets?

[MrDollarBills]

Jeff Green playing 13 minutes to Harris' 50+ was inexcusable.

[Paradise]

Overreaction city in here.

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This is why I’ve been quiet. He’s been bailed out by hall of fame talent in must win games and has no adjustments beyond massive minute usage.

When it’s a close game, we’ve shown no defensive adjustments to get us anywhere. Not even a zone. Atleast, Kenny did that when it was necessary.

We let KD ISO with a timeout remaining...that’s not an overreaction. He’s not proven he can do much without two HC candidates running the show for him. Period.

We likely lose MDA and Udoka. His entire backbone.

There were defensive adjustments.

We didn't take a timeout at the end because the play would have been the same: a KD iso. KD already had the ball in his hands with a mismatch (Jrue), the Bucks defense wasn't entirely set, and if we took a timeout, they could have thrown a hard double at KD. What you're using is hindsight.

Lol If he is doubled, that means someone gets a better look than a contested airball.

Come on now. There’s no excuse for not using a timeout there. He looked tired and everyone in the stands knew it was a bad move. Stop excusing his poor coaching.

I’d rather take a timeout and live with it than take a hero shot because it worked once before. It’s not the same and he has no feel for the game if he didn’t see that. It’s embarrassing seeing anonymous coaches say “he looked like a deer in head lights” and “he didn’t have a plan B, C or D out there”.

He better figure this **** out quick because he will not last next season doing this.

[DarkXaero]

This is why I’ve been quiet. He’s been bailed out by hall of fame talent in must win games and has no adjustments beyond massive minute usage.

When it’s a close game, we’ve shown no defensive adjustments to get us anywhere. Not even a zone. Atleast, Kenny did that when it was necessary.

We let KD ISO with a timeout remaining...that’s not an overreaction. He’s not proven he can do much without two HC candidates running the show for him. Period.

We likely lose MDA and Udoka. His entire backbone.

There were defensive adjustments.

We didn't take a timeout at the end because the play would have been the same: a KD iso. KD already had the ball in his hands with a mismatch (Jrue), the Bucks defense wasn't entirely set, and if we took a timeout, they could have thrown a hard double at KD. What you're using is hindsight.

Lol If he is doubled, that means someone gets a better look than a contested airball.

Come on now. There’s no excuse for not using a timeout there. He looked tired and everyone in the stands knew it was a bad move. Stop excusing his poor coaching.

I’d rather take a timeout and live with it than take a hero shot because it worked once before. It’s not the same and he has no feel for the game if he didn’t see that. It’s embarrassing seeing anonymous coaches say “he looked like a deer in head lights” and “he didn’t have a plan B, C or D out there”.

He better figure this **** out quick because he will not last next season doing this.

I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't want anyone other than KD taking that last shot for us. No chance. I'm not counting on Joe Harris, Jeff Green, Bruce Brown or hobbled Harden to take that last shot. That's dumb as hell. If one of those guys took the last shot, you guys would be destroying Nash for someone other than KD taking the last shot.

[DarkXaero]

Jeff Green playing 13 minutes to Harris' 50+ was inexcusable.

Jeff Green was competing with Blake for minutes in that game, and Nash wanted to match Blake with Giannis as much as possible. Jeff didn't attempt a single shot in those 13 minutes to really make a case for more minutes in the game. He had 0 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist in 13 minutes of action. Now I don't think Joe should have played 47 minutes in that game either but Nets really needed Joe to contribute in that game (which obviously didn't happen).

[Prokorov]

Jeff Green playing 13 minutes to Harris' 50+ was inexcusable.

Jeff Green was competing with Blake for minutes in that game, and Nash wanted to match Blake with Giannis as much as possible. Jeff didn't attempt a single shot in those 13 minutes to really make a case for more minutes in the game. He had 0 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist in 13 minutes of action. Now I don't think Joe should have played 47 minutes in that game either but Nets really needed Joe to contribute in that game (which obviously didn't happen).

Green was hurt. clearly. he couldnt move well and if he was right bruce brown doesnt play 30+ minutes

that said, 0 reason joe should be out there for almost 50 minutes with shamet and TJ on the bench. I mean, it isnt like shamet is chiozza or some bum who sat in street clothes all year. he was a very viable option

[ecuhus1981]

One measure of a coach is how much they can get out of and improve role players. In the Conference Finals, you see players like Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne, Kevin Huerter and our own former draft pick Pat Connaughton rising to the moment. We had established guys like Green and Griffin step up for us, but other than Brown, I can't say that Nash did a great coach-em-up job with anyone else. Certainly not his pet project Landry, he has regressed since coming here.

[therealbig3]

One measure of a coach is how much they can get out of and improve role players. In the Conference Finals, you see players like Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne, Kevin Huerter and our own former draft pick Pat Connaughton rising to the moment. We had established guys like Green and Griffin step up for us, but other than Brown, I can't say that Nash did a great coach-em-up job with anyone else. Certainly not his pet project Landry, he has regressed since coming here.

Well Reggie Jackson is nearly as established as Griffin and Green are, and both Connaughton and Payne have way more experience than any of our "young" role players (Brown, Shamet, Claxton).

And we DID get solid contributions from Brown and Shamet (how did he regress btw? He shot better from the field and from 3 this year than last) in these playoffs.

Nash's problem was that he didn't trust Shamet more instead of Joe, and he didn't trust Claxton, but Joe has been our most reliable player all year, and the hope was always that he was gonna come through and start hitting some shots finally. When he does that, he's easily better than Shamet. And again, I feel like people aren't remembering properly when it comes to Claxton...he's great defensively, no doubt, but he's a rookie who gets zero respect from the refs and gets called for a lot of fouls, and he really has no chance of battling with Giannis down low because of how slight he is. He was also getting called for a lot of moving screens, because he's not disciplined enough yet and again, he's a rookie who's not going to get the benefit of the doubt from the refs. So imagine in a game 7, you have Claxton out there, and he can't help but foul Giannis a bunch or give up easy baskets because he's getting overpowered, and then he's causing TOs with his bad screens, and then also remember that he's a negative value player on offense right now, because the only thing he can do is catch a lob and finish. He can't even be trusted to catch and finish as two separate motions, because he's not that fluid with it, and he's not strong enough to just explode up and finish. He doesn't have great touch around the basket either and can't be trusted to hit that little in between shot.

At the end of the day, you guys are all acting like it's so easy to simply trust a rookie big man over two vets (Griffin and Green) who have been in plenty of playoff games before and have stepped up repeatedly for us all year, and a backup wing over the guy who was honestly the most reliable player you had all year, just in terms of availability and consistency, and you're still holding out hope that the guy can finally start hitting open shots. Not exactly high expectations.

And I'm confused by the TJ mentions. Mike James would have gotten minutes over him, because TJ was awful the last few times he played. Bad defense and bricking shots. There's so much hindsight bias going on.

[therealbig3]

Furthermore, with regards to the the short rotation and playing guys huge minutes...Budenholzer did the same exact thing with his guys too. Connaugton got 23 minutes, and two other players off the bench combined for 6 minutes. So he basically played with 6 guys the whole time. Holiday and Middleton both sucked. He didn't choose to go with guys like Forbes or Portis or Teague over them because of how much they struggled, and they rewarded him in the end. Nash had the same hope for Joe, and he didn't reward him in the end. It happens.

[Prokorov]

One measure of a coach is how much they can get out of and improve role players. In the Conference Finals, you see players like Reggie Jackson, Cam Payne, Kevin Huerter and our own former draft pick Pat Connaughton rising to the moment. We had established guys like Green and Griffin step up for us, but other than Brown, I can't say that Nash did a great coach-em-up job with anyone else. Certainly not his pet project Landry, he has regressed since coming here.

How has Landry "regessed since coming here"?

Coming off COVID and an injury and playing less minutes he matched last years raw numbers while shooting better from three. the little he did play in the playoffs, was solid, but nash nailed him to the bench.

10 points in 20 minutes on 39% from three on 6 attempts is outstanding for a role player.

I think people forget what it is like not being loaded with elite shooters. The player who consistently shoots 40% or better from three every single month doesnt exsist. there are like 5 or less of those guys and they are all superstars (Curry, Klay, Kyrie, KD, Kawhi)

[Prokorov]

Furthermore, with regards to the the short rotation and playing guys huge minutes...Budenholzer did the same exact thing with his guys too. Connaugton got 23 minutes, and two other players off the bench combined for 6 minutes. So he basically played with 6 guys the whole time. Holiday and Middleton both sucked. He didn't choose to go with guys like Forbes or Portis or Teague over them because of how much they struggled, and they rewarded him in the end. Nash had the same hope for Joe, and he didn't reward him in the end. It happens.

Holiday and Middleton are not role guys. Middleton is an all-star and Jrue is right there. those guys are akin to Harden/Kyrie for the bucks. if your top guys/all-stars struggle, you need to keep playing them.

When your role guys stink, and you have options... you go with it.

The bucks were short on their bench. DiVincenzo out shortened things. Forbes was tough to play since KD hunting him is like a 2 foot size difference and he was getting roasted. Teague is awful. he was never going to play... just like TLC or Chiozza.

For us, we had legit options. Shamet is a legit option and sub for joe. im not saying bench Joe, but you dont play him 47 minutes in game 7 amid a shooting slump when you have Shamet on the bench. and its not like shamet stunk in limited minutes... he was hitting 39% in the playoffs and 37% in the series. If you want to say not to TJ cause he hadnt played, fine... but its not like there wasnt an outstanding alternative to 50 mintues of Joe Harris

[ecuhus1981]

How has Landry "regessed since coming here"?

I wasn't attempting to make a controversial statement here. Oh well, here I go:

Shamet's Offensive Rating went from 115 to 113, his Defensive Rating went from 113 to 118, his win shares per 48 went from great bench piece (.096) to Mendoza line (.063), a bunch of different advanced statistics clearly indicate him regressing. I don't give a flip that he raised his 3-point accuracy by 1%, it's still not elite by any means.

We need to take a cold, hard look at the roster, and see who's able to continue with us, help us contend, and who's taking up space. We have the ability to add a half dozen ring chasing vets if we so choose, but we can't do it if our bleeding hearts are tied to underperforming roster cloggers.

Thanks for your services, Landry. I was not thrilled that we traded Bey for you (a gut reaction that has borne out true), but I was excited to see how excited YOU were for a fresh start here. You came into the league an extremely efficient 3&D combo guard, and somehow you've never been able to recapture the form you showed in the first 40 or so games of your career. Maybe you'll blossom into an unicorn hybrid Ray Allen / Gary Payton that you showed flashes of before. I'm willing to assume the opportunity cost that you won't, and there are a slew of more productive, cheap guards in the FA market who better fit our immediate needs. Not to mention, Cordinier *might* already be as good as you, and we've promised him a roster spot. So, take care, we'll do our best to send you to a good home for a TPE and a future 1st.