If Push Came to Shove... (Irving Trade)

[MrDollarBills]

Since its a bball area I'll keep it 100% bball related. Not only i agree with Shaq all the way here, I want to add the fact that:
1- there is CBA coming up
2- league already moving towards not allowing unvaccinated people to the games
3- whoever dont like retire. Go play somewhere else

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I agree with all of what Shaq said. Didn't even get into the other stuff, kept it strictly basketball.

"We have a chance to win and if you ain't on the program, go somewhere else. Period. Whatever your reasons are, I'm cool with that, but we're not going to go back and forth for 41 games over whether you're going to play or not, get your ass up out of here."

I'm pretty much at this point as well. Availability is everything. All the other stuff is irrelevant. As it stands, unless he changes his mind Kyrie's not going to be available for home games, games against NY, games against the Warriors, and home games in the playoffs and this include game 7s assuming we can lock down home court. Imagine we end up in a Game 7 versus Miami or Milwaukee and his ass can't play because of this. No way man.

Kyrie is free to do what he pleases, but if he's that afraid of a needle, he needs to find another team with markets with lax vaccination rules to do it in and play his game of russian roulette there. Or he can retire, and stop wasting everyone's time. I like the guy, but everyone else on the team is vaccinated and ready to go. He's going to be a season long distraction and frankly, he's not doing the team any favors if he can't play home games. I'm over it, and Joe Tsai isn't a stupid man who is going to pay a guy 40 million dollars for part time work.

I'm so disgusted with the topic that I don't care about the extra curricular stuff anymore. I just want to enjoy the Nets play without the drama and I want to see a team where everyone is all in on winning. I know Harden and KD want to win.

[MrDollarBills]

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This doesn't sound like the words of a man who is willing to pay someone 40 million bucks to willingly miss 44 or more games.

[Prokorov]

That's a lot of excuses during the season when your mind should be strictly on your team but whatever, I get it, you are a Kyrie apologist.

This isnt really a thing. guys dont have their minds on only basketball. they are not robots. for some, its not even the main thing on their mind and for many they have alot going on. when they are in the gym/the court their focus is there. but otherwise these guys have families, investments, charities, relationships...

And these are excuses, they are facts and realities. It isnt an "excuse" that kyrie had a kid, it is a reality. it isnt an "excuse" that Kyrie missed roughly a dozen games in 10 seasons to "personal reasons" it is a fact.

The rest is objective. you either think a child birth is a reasonable excuse or not. you either think death of friend/family (kobe) is reasonable or not. You either think protest/issues in minnesota is a reasonable excuse or not. In all 50 states your employer can not punish you for a death in the family. Kobe isnt family, but its along those lines. in almost all 50 states, you cant punish a father missing time for his childs birth. im not sure the NBA's wirttive collevtive agreement on these, but the nets excused both (as well as the minnesota thing) so even if you dont see those as reasonable, the team does.

While we are on excuses, id say the excuses come from the other side in the form of "yeah buts..." Kyrie missed time for his kid being born "yeah, but he was on a zoom call with the mayor for a social justice issue. if he can attend zoom he can play basketball".

I really don't care to further analyze this and will wait to see how it all plays out. If Kyrie doesn't vax and begins to miss half the season I would definitely pull a trade for a dependable player myself. Period. But I'm not the GM

And yes, being a team leader is a burden. It's the burden of leadership. Ignoring it is delusional and irresponsible.

It may be a burden for some, privilige for others. its objective. and you already havent waited to see how it plays out. so, its kind of irrelevant

All that said, if Kyries unavailable for half the season I'd trade him. That's the point. The team doesn't need a martyr, political leader and Flat Earth conspiracy theorist. It needs to use it's capspace on a badass hooper.

missing 40 regular season games is irrelevant. he would probably miss 20-25 on maintenance days or injuries like KD. Harden is the regular season engine. and seeding like last year wont be a big motivator.

the flat earth thing is irrelevant to basketball. they absolutely need as many social/political/racial leaders as they can get. its super important, especially in NY.

if you trade kyrie, KD is also gone, which is a factor

[Prokorov]

Since its a bball area I'll keep it 100% bball related. Not only i agree with Shaq all the way here, I want to add the fact that:
1- there is CBA coming up
2- league already moving towards not allowing unvaccinated people to the games
3- whoever dont like retire. Go play somewhere else

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I agree with all of what Shaq said. Didn't even get into the other stuff, kept it strictly basketball.

"We have a chance to win and if you ain't on the program, go somewhere else. Period. Whatever your reasons are, I'm cool with that, but we're not going to go back and forth for 41 games over whether you're going to play or not, get your ass up out of here."

I'm pretty much at this point as well. Availability is everything. All the other stuff is irrelevant. As it stands, unless he changes his mind Kyrie's not going to be available for home games, games against NY, games against the Warriors, and home games in the playoffs and this include game 7s assuming we can lock down home court. Imagine we end up in a Game 7 versus Miami or Milwaukee and his ass can't play because of this. No way man.

Kyrie is free to do what he pleases, but if he's that afraid of a needle, he needs to find another team with markets with lax vaccination rules to do it in and play his game of russian roulette there. Or he can retire, and stop wasting everyone's time. I like the guy, but everyone else on the team is vaccinated and ready to go. He's going to be a season long distraction and frankly, he's not doing the team any favors if he can't play home games. I'm over it, and Joe Tsai isn't a stupid man who is going to pay a guy 40 million dollars for part time work.

I'm so disgusted with the topic that I don't care about the extra curricular stuff anymore. I just want to enjoy the Nets play without the drama and I want to see a team where everyone is all in on winning. I know Harden and KD want to win.

fortunetly this isnt shaqs lakers, its KDs nets. and KD has the complete opposite stance.

[Prokorov]

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This doesn't sound like the words of a man who is willing to pay someone 40 million bucks to willingly miss 44 or more games.

he kind of gave the political awnser that doesnt rock the boat either way.

i hope he doesnt become a hardass on tihs, or all 3 of the big 3 are gone.

if you read the book, Kyrie/KD already had issues with tsai over the morey/china thing. he is probably already on thin ice with them

[MrDollarBills]

Since its a bball area I'll keep it 100% bball related. Not only i agree with Shaq all the way here, I want to add the fact that:
1- there is CBA coming up
2- league already moving towards not allowing unvaccinated people to the games
3- whoever dont like retire. Go play somewhere else

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I agree with all of what Shaq said. Didn't even get into the other stuff, kept it strictly basketball.

"We have a chance to win and if you ain't on the program, go somewhere else. Period. Whatever your reasons are, I'm cool with that, but we're not going to go back and forth for 41 games over whether you're going to play or not, get your ass up out of here."

I'm pretty much at this point as well. Availability is everything. All the other stuff is irrelevant. As it stands, unless he changes his mind Kyrie's not going to be available for home games, games against NY, games against the Warriors, and home games in the playoffs and this include game 7s assuming we can lock down home court. Imagine we end up in a Game 7 versus Miami or Milwaukee and his ass can't play because of this. No way man.

Kyrie is free to do what he pleases, but if he's that afraid of a needle, he needs to find another team with markets with lax vaccination rules to do it in and play his game of russian roulette there. Or he can retire, and stop wasting everyone's time. I like the guy, but everyone else on the team is vaccinated and ready to go. He's going to be a season long distraction and frankly, he's not doing the team any favors if he can't play home games. I'm over it, and Joe Tsai isn't a stupid man who is going to pay a guy 40 million dollars for part time work.

I'm so disgusted with the topic that I don't care about the extra curricular stuff anymore. I just want to enjoy the Nets play without the drama and I want to see a team where everyone is all in on winning. I know Harden and KD want to win.

fortunetly this isnt shaqs lakers, its KDs nets. and KD has the complete opposite stance.

For now.

[MrDollarBills]

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This doesn't sound like the words of a man who is willing to pay someone 40 million bucks to willingly miss 44 or more games.

he kind of gave the political awnser that doesnt rock the boat either way.

i hope he doesnt become a hardass on tihs, or all 3 of the big 3 are gone.

if you read the book, Kyrie/KD already had issues with tsai over the morey/china thing. he is probably already on thin ice with them

He wants Kyrie to be on board with everyone else on the team who is fulfilling their obligations and complying with health and safety laws of the state of NY.

Not a lot to ask.


and he can't be on that much thin ice since KD signed an extension when he didn't have to.

[MrDollarBills]

This isnt really a thing. guys dont have their minds on only basketball. they are not robots. for some, its not even the main thing on their mind and for many they have alot going on. when they are in the gym/the court their focus is there. but otherwise these guys have families, investments, charities, relationships...

And these are excuses, they are facts and realities. It isnt an "excuse" that kyrie had a kid, it is a reality. it isnt an "excuse" that Kyrie missed roughly a dozen games in 10 seasons to "personal reasons" it is a fact.

The rest is objective. you either think a child birth is a reasonable excuse or not. you either think death of friend/family (kobe) is reasonable or not. You either think protest/issues in minnesota is a reasonable excuse or not. In all 50 states your employer can not punish you for a death in the family. Kobe isnt family, but its along those lines. in almost all 50 states, you cant punish a father missing time for his childs birth. im not sure the NBA's wirttive collevtive agreement on these, but the nets excused both (as well as the minnesota thing) so even if you dont see those as reasonable, the team does.

While we are on excuses, id say the excuses come from the other side in the form of "yeah buts..." Kyrie missed time for his kid being born "yeah, but he was on a zoom call with the mayor for a social justice issue. if he can attend zoom he can play basketball".



It may be a burden for some, privilige for others. its objective. and you already havent waited to see how it plays out. so, its kind of irrelevant

All that said, if Kyries unavailable for half the season I'd trade him. That's the point. The team doesn't need a martyr, political leader and Flat Earth conspiracy theorist. It needs to use it's capspace on a badass hooper.

missing 40 regular season games is irrelevant. he would probably miss 20-25 on maintenance days or injuries like KD. Harden is the regular season engine. and seeding like last year wont be a big motivator.

the flat earth thing is irrelevant to basketball. they absolutely need as many social/political/racial leaders as they can get. its super important, especially in NY.

if you trade kyrie, KD is also gone, which is a factor

40 games is not irrelevant, that is half of an entire season. That is a ton of games to not be available for.

and then there are home games in the playoffs, which you figure the Nets will have plenty of. I'm sure you'll say you're cool with Kyrie missing game 7s in the playoffs or NBA finals, but I don't believe you or anyone on the Nets will be happy with how that plays out.

What if we draw the Knicks in the 1st round? That's an entire series he isn't available for. That's not leadership, it's a complete abdication of his responsibilities as a teammate and paid employee of the team.

If you're sitting at home because you're scared of a needle while the rest of your brothers are in the trenches every night, you're not a leader at all, you're at best a distraction and someone who isn't pulling their fair share of the load. Kyrie loves to remind everyone that he's human, but so is KD, Harden, and the rest of his teammates and if you think these guys are immune to feeling resentment if this thing starts to become a serious problem, you're kidding yourself.

[harlem_ball]

This isnt really a thing. guys dont have their minds on only basketball. they are not robots. for some, its not even the main thing on their mind and for many they have alot going on. when they are in the gym/the court their focus is there. but otherwise these guys have families, investments, charities, relationships...

And these are excuses, they are facts and realities. It isnt an "excuse" that kyrie had a kid, it is a reality. it isnt an "excuse" that Kyrie missed roughly a dozen games in 10 seasons to "personal reasons" it is a fact.

The rest is objective. you either think a child birth is a reasonable excuse or not. you either think death of friend/family (kobe) is reasonable or not. You either think protest/issues in minnesota is a reasonable excuse or not. In all 50 states your employer can not punish you for a death in the family. Kobe isnt family, but its along those lines. in almost all 50 states, you cant punish a father missing time for his childs birth. im not sure the NBA's wirttive collevtive agreement on these, but the nets excused both (as well as the minnesota thing) so even if you dont see those as reasonable, the team does.

While we are on excuses, id say the excuses come from the other side in the form of "yeah buts..." Kyrie missed time for his kid being born "yeah, but he was on a zoom call with the mayor for a social justice issue. if he can attend zoom he can play basketball".



It may be a burden for some, privilige for others. its objective. and you already havent waited to see how it plays out. so, its kind of irrelevant

All that said, if Kyries unavailable for half the season I'd trade him. That's the point. The team doesn't need a martyr, political leader and Flat Earth conspiracy theorist. It needs to use it's capspace on a badass hooper.

missing 40 regular season games is irrelevant. he would probably miss 20-25 on maintenance days or injuries like KD. Harden is the regular season engine. and seeding like last year wont be a big motivator.

the flat earth thing is irrelevant to basketball. they absolutely need as many social/political/racial leaders as they can get. its super important, especially in NY.

if you trade kyrie, KD is also gone, which is a factor

this is a bunch of non-basketball bull that I'm sure the Nets didn't sign up for and sure as hell are not paying for. Kyrie Irving is not Barack Obama.

[harlem_ball]

all this said, if Kyrie wants to remain unvaxxed and accepts not being paid there should be no problem keeping him on the roster until next season or the season after that if the Nets can get a cap exception.

Patty Mills will be a fine replacement.

Kyrie can hang out and hoop in practice and continue his political exploits off the court. win/win

[MrDollarBills]

all this said, if Kyrie wants to remain unvaxxed and accepts not being paid there should be no problem keeping him on the roster until next season or the season after that if the Nets can get a cap exception.

Patty Mills will be a fine replacement.

Kyrie can hang out and hoop in practice and continue his political exploits off the court. win/win

He CAN'T practice. He's barred from the practice facility.

That's why the idea that he's being a leader of anything is a joke. He is going to do irreparable damage to this team.

[harlem_ball]

all this said, if Kyrie wants to remain unvaxxed and accepts not being paid there should be no problem keeping him on the roster until next season or the season after that if the Nets can get a cap exception.

Patty Mills will be a fine replacement.

Kyrie can hang out and hoop in practice and continue his political exploits off the court. win/win

He CAN'T practice. He's barred from the practice facility.

That's why the idea that he's being a leader of anything is a joke. He is going to do irreparable damage to this team.

Agreed but isn't he practicing with the team now?

[TheNetsFan]

all this said, if Kyrie wants to remain unvaxxed and accepts not being paid there should be no problem keeping him on the roster until next season or the season after that if the Nets can get a cap exception.

Patty Mills will be a fine replacement.

Kyrie can hang out and hoop in practice and continue his political exploits off the court. win/win

He CAN'T practice. He's barred from the practice facility.

That's why the idea that he's being a leader of anything is a joke. He is going to do irreparable damage to this team.

Agreed but isn't he practicing with the team now?

Only because they're in San Diego. Once they return to Brooklyn he can't practice with the team.

[LOUiS-D]

all this said, if Kyrie wants to remain unvaxxed and accepts not being paid there should be no problem keeping him on the roster until next season or the season after that if the Nets can get a cap exception.

Patty Mills will be a fine replacement.

Kyrie can hang out and hoop in practice and continue his political exploits off the court. win/win

He CAN'T practice. He's barred from the practice facility.

That's why the idea that he's being a leader of anything is a joke. He is going to do irreparable damage to this team.

[harlem_ball]

He CAN'T practice. He's barred from the practice facility.

That's why the idea that he's being a leader of anything is a joke. He is going to do irreparable damage to this team.

Agreed but isn't he practicing with the team now?

Only because they're in San Diego. Once they return to Brooklyn he can't practice with the team.

Ah! That makes sense.

all this said, if Kyrie wants to remain unvaxxed and accepts not being paid there should be no problem keeping him on the roster until next season or the season after that if the Nets can get a cap exception.

Patty Mills will be a fine replacement.

Kyrie can hang out and hoop in practice and continue his political exploits off the court. win/win

He CAN'T practice. He's barred from the practice facility.

That's why the idea that he's being a leader of anything is a joke. He is going to do irreparable damage to this team.

[MGrand15]

With the current rules, i don't see how someone like Kyrie + Wiggins actually pulls this off. You automatically miss 41 games + you can't practice with the team? You automatically miss half the playoffs where every single game matters?
Look at the schedule. He'd be missing weeks at a time. He'd never play in front of the home fans and his family.

If this actually happens, there's no way he doesn't alienate himself from the team. Even KD. Dude won't even be allowed in the facility or to chill with teammates.

The anti-vax group in the league is growing bolder. My guess is they throw a fit and try to get the league to soften the rules.

In theory, all this sounds plausible. Everything sounds cute in training camp. In practice, it's going to be a mess for the team, for the fans and it's going to cost Kyrie 20 million dollars. I'm sure Harden will be thrilled when KD is injured, his 2nd option is Patty Mills and Kyrie is at home streaming the game in his boxers.

[MrDollarBills]

With the current rules, i don't see how someone like Kyrie + Wiggins actually pulls this off. You automatically miss 41 games + you can't practice with the team? You automatically miss half the playoffs where every single game matters?
Look at the schedule. He'd be missing weeks at a time. He'd never play in front of the home fans and his family.

If this actually happens, there's no way he doesn't alienate himself from the team. Even KD. Dude won't even be allowed in the facility or to chill with teammates.

The anti-vax group in the league is growing bolder. My guess is they throw a fit and try to get the league to soften the rules.

In theory, all this sounds plausible. Everything sounds cute in training camp. In practice, it's going to be a mess for the team, for the fans and it's going to cost Kyrie 20 million dollars. I'm sure Harden will be thrilled when KD is injured, his 2nd option is Patty Mills and Kyrie is at home streaming the game in his boxers.

The issue here is that these idiots can't force the NBA to soften rules when they are being imposed by local legislation. this is a legal issue. Kyrie steps foot into Barclays or into the Nets practice center, he could get led out in handcuffs. New York State has a known history of making examples of pro athletes who want to act stupid. Ask Plaxico Burress.

None of this sounds plausible, it sounds like madness. Missing 41+ games plus all playoff games. Kyrie is out of his mind if he thinks that this will work in his favor. Joe Tsai is begging him to act like an adult. All of this is embarrassing and by his behavior, he has proved both the Cavs and Celtics fanbases right about him.

they have every right to tell us "I told you so". This is it right here.

[Fable]

Kyrie being an anti-vaxxer and refusing to get a jab will make the league competitive so I hope he would never vaccinate using any excuse.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie being an anti-vaxxer and refusing to get a jab will make the league competitive so I hope he would never vaccinate using any excuse.

We'll still whip your team's ass without him, don't even worry about it.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie being an anti-vaxxer and refusing to get a jab will make the league competitive so I hope he would never vaccinate using any excuse.

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