Official Fire Nash thread - Part II

[Shark]

It amazes me how the beat reporters have not once questioned the job that Nash is doing during this losing streak.

There has been 100x more discussion about Frank Vogel.

A Championship level coach who has already proven his worth. Than freaking Nash. A guy who knows nothing!

You'd think that a double digit losing streak would at least get some whispers about whether or not Nash is equipped to be a championship level coach. I think the closest we ever got to that was the rumor that Harden wasn't happy with Nash's rotations. And even then no one even pushed that angle beyond making it about Harden wanting to leave.

[LOUiS-D]

Nash was hired to manage egos and he can’t even do that.

You can be the greatest guy in the world and everyone can want you to succeed, when you're bad at your job you lose clout. Like how can he manage Harden's ego when he's part of the reason that Harden's upset. He can manage Harden's ego by being better at his f***ing job.

[Prokorov]

Nash with maybe his worst game of the season with this Wizards loss.

what are we doing here. Marks needs to go if he wont do it.

[ecuhus1981]

Nash with maybe his worst game of the season with this Wizards loss.

what are we doing here. Marks needs to go if he wont do it.

This would be the best possible timing for an mid-season coaching change. I'm still not willing to say that Marks should be fired if he doesn't fire Nash, mostly because that choice is career suicide. Marks knows that he would have to go if he fire Nash, because Durant would force Tsai's hand. They've been friends for decades, but I think Sean can see the need and would fire Steve, if Kevin would allow it. Kevin won't, and Sean is not a masochist, so the status quo will remain.

[MrDollarBills]

It's insane to me that the media is calling for Thibs' head, but Nash remains safe.

If we are 100% healthy and lose in the playoffs, Marks needs to ask Steve to resign. It's insane to me that the front office AND KD can sit here and think that Nash is even remotely qualified for this job.

[Prokorov]

Nash with maybe his worst game of the season with this Wizards loss.

what are we doing here. Marks needs to go if he wont do it.

This would be the best possible timing for an mid-season coaching change. I'm still not willing to say that Marks should be fired if he doesn't fire Nash, mostly because that choice is career suicide. Marks knows that he would have to go if he fire Nash, because Durant would force Tsai's hand. They've been friends for decades, but I think Sean can see the need and would fire Steve, if Kevin would allow it. Kevin won't, and Sean is not a masochist, so the status quo will remain.

I dont understand this idea that KD is protecting Nash or picked him. Everything we know is the opposite. KD said he thought nash was good on GSW and that he thought he would be fine and agreed with Kyrie they "dont need a coach"

He didnt hand pick him. it wasnt KDs choice. that was marks move.

[MGrand15]

This wasn't close to his worst game of the season IMO. This was closer to average for Nash. He actually took timeouts when they went on runs so that was an improvement. He didn't run the starters into the ground. He only played Blake at the 4 for a few minutes instead of running it for 20+ minutes.

I don't know what Marks is doing but once Kyrie, KD, and Ben are playing, I don't want to hear any excuses. There's zero reason for us to play BS zero spacing lineups. We need to give our stars space to attack. Defensively, KD + Simmons together should be awesome.

If I see some BS like Ben on the floor with Bruce Brown, James Johnson, and Drummond with one shooter to fake space the floor for one second - I'm turning into a Knick fan.

[MGrand15]

Nash with maybe his worst game of the season with this Wizards loss.

what are we doing here. Marks needs to go if he wont do it.

This would be the best possible timing for an mid-season coaching change. I'm still not willing to say that Marks should be fired if he doesn't fire Nash, mostly because that choice is career suicide. Marks knows that he would have to go if he fire Nash, because Durant would force Tsai's hand. They've been friends for decades, but I think Sean can see the need and would fire Steve, if Kevin would allow it. Kevin won't, and Sean is not a masochist, so the status quo will remain.

I dont understand this idea that KD is protecting Nash or picked him. Everything we know is the opposite. KD said he thought nash was good on GSW and that he thought he would be fine and agreed with Kyrie they "dont need a coach"

He didnt hand pick him. it wasnt KDs choice. that was marks move.

KD played for Scott Brooks like most of his career - he's used to bad coaches. I could see him not wanting to shake things up mid-season.

[Prokorov]

This would be the best possible timing for an mid-season coaching change. I'm still not willing to say that Marks should be fired if he doesn't fire Nash, mostly because that choice is career suicide. Marks knows that he would have to go if he fire Nash, because Durant would force Tsai's hand. They've been friends for decades, but I think Sean can see the need and would fire Steve, if Kevin would allow it. Kevin won't, and Sean is not a masochist, so the status quo will remain.

I dont understand this idea that KD is protecting Nash or picked him. Everything we know is the opposite. KD said he thought nash was good on GSW and that he thought he would be fine and agreed with Kyrie they "dont need a coach"

He didnt hand pick him. it wasnt KDs choice. that was marks move.

KD played for Scott Brooks like most of his career - he's used to bad coaches. I could see him not wanting to shake things up mid-season.

Thats mostly why he didnt have a ring until he left brooks... GM sucked too though.

nash makes brooks look like red auerbach

[gigantes]

nash makes brooks look like red auerbach

Btw, I've never really tried to evaluate Red Auerbach as a coach, but one thing that seems pretty clear studying his roster talent, is that it probably didn't take much more of an above-average coach in a tiny league to rack up all those trophies.

The guy's main strengths seemed to be 1) being completely open-minded to hiring Black Americans and 2) finding talent.

If he has other notable strengths, I'd certainly be interested in hearing..

[MrDollarBills]

Nash makes Brooks look like Chuck Daly, may god rest his soul

[Pablo Escobar]

Nash with maybe his worst game of the season with this Wizards loss.

what are we doing here. Marks needs to go if he wont do it.

This would be the best possible timing for an mid-season coaching change. I'm still not willing to say that Marks should be fired if he doesn't fire Nash, mostly because that choice is career suicide. Marks knows that he would have to go if he fire Nash, because Durant would force Tsai's hand. They've been friends for decades, but I think Sean can see the need and would fire Steve, if Kevin would allow it. Kevin won't, and Sean is not a masochist, so the status quo will remain.

I dont understand this idea that KD is protecting Nash or picked him. Everything we know is the opposite. KD said he thought nash was good on GSW and that he thought he would be fine and agreed with Kyrie they "dont need a coach"

He didnt hand pick him. it wasnt KDs choice. that was marks move.

Him and Kd were super tight on the Warriors. He basically worked with Kd 1 on 1 to help him with his game. So of course Nash was his guy when they hired him. Nash also lets Kd and Kyrie do w/e they want on the offensive end so why would they be angry? and the coach comments were disrespectful but Kd agrees with everything Kyrie says because he's the alpha in the relationship.

[GTR11]

This would be the best possible timing for an mid-season coaching change. I'm still not willing to say that Marks should be fired if he doesn't fire Nash, mostly because that choice is career suicide. Marks knows that he would have to go if he fire Nash, because Durant would force Tsai's hand. They've been friends for decades, but I think Sean can see the need and would fire Steve, if Kevin would allow it. Kevin won't, and Sean is not a masochist, so the status quo will remain.

I dont understand this idea that KD is protecting Nash or picked him. Everything we know is the opposite. KD said he thought nash was good on GSW and that he thought he would be fine and agreed with Kyrie they "dont need a coach"

He didnt hand pick him. it wasnt KDs choice. that was marks move.

Him and Kd were super tight on the Warriors. He basically worked with Kd 1 on 1 to help him with his game. So of course Nash was his guy when they hired him. Nash also lets Kd and Kyrie do w/e they want on the offensive end so why would they be angry? and the coach comments were disrespectful but Kd agrees with everything Kyrie says because he's the alpha in the relationship.

Useless, talking to wall right here. Been saying that from the beginning. Some don't even bother to look around because it doesn't support their narrative. For example, why exactly Builaps was hired as HC. Thinking Nash was Marks hire is plain silly.
Prok would say Lue would've been the option than, well answer to that will be KD is an alfa dog. Marks knowing Nash from PHX days probably played role too. In addition to that, this player friendly environment that Marks created not exactly on his side. With all that said, I never seen teams hire rookie HC without logging a damn min. That just don't happen for obvious reasons we seeing right now.
Kerr was GM in PHX so he had clue what he had to do. Just look at Pop's, dude stepped down from GM spot to be HC. Kidd was direct effect to appease D.Will.

[Pablo Escobar]

Him and Kd were super tight on the Warriors. He basically worked with Kd 1 on 1 to help him with his game. So of course Nash was his guy when they hired him. Nash also lets Kd and Kyrie do w/e they want on the offensive end so why would they be angry? and the coach comments were disrespectful but Kd agrees with everything Kyrie says because he's the alpha in the relationship.

Useless, talking to wall right here. Been saying that from the beginning. Some don't even bother to look around because it doesn't support their narrative. For example, why exactly Builaps was hired as HC. Thinking Nash was Marks hire is plain silly.
Prok would say Lue would've been the option than, well answer to that will be KD is an alfa dog. Marks knowing Nash from PHX days probably played role too. In addition to that, this player friendly environment that Marks created not exactly on his side. With all that said, I never seen teams hire rookie HC without logging a damn min. That just don't happen for obvious reasons we seeing right now.
Kerr was GM in PHX so he had clue what he had to do. Just look at Pop's, dude stepped down from GM spot to be HC. Kidd was direct effect to appease D.Will.

Ty Lue is a no nonsense coach with a system and hold players accountable. If your team got him as the head coach you'd easily win a ring with your roster and Harden would probably still be here lol. Nash would've been better either as an assistant or being a player development coach or just Kds personal coach like he was with the dubs. Hopefully Nash can get through to Ben at least as a 2x mvp and one of the goat point guards and teach him a thing or two. I think Korver is on the staff as well as a shooting coach. He must be on Ben Simmons duty and make that dude into at least an average shooter.

At the end of the day Nash was picked because of his connections and also because he wasn't going to bring much philosophy into his coaching. He wasn't going to be a Brad Stevens type who had a bunch of schemes/plays and also had expectations on how the team should play when it comes to the offensive/defensive end. The stars run the show in Brooklyn and everything must go through them unfortunately. Which is why I doubt Kyrie would ever get moved as well even with all of his shenanigans he'll always have Kd in his corner.

[LOUiS-D]

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[Fallout_3]

At least he can recruit.

[MrDollarBills]

There is now zero reason why we should ever play a line up with less than 3 shooters on the floor.

[Prokorov]

There is now zero reason why we should ever play a line up with less than 3 shooters on the floor.

Ben/Drummond/Brown or Ben/Drummond/Johnson are locks with Nash. he will then complain about spacing and threw his guys under the bus for not "winning with defense"

[MrDollarBills]

There is now zero reason why we should ever play a line up with less than 3 shooters on the floor.

Ben/Drummond/Brown or Ben/Drummond/Johnson are locks with Nash. he will then complain about spacing and threw his guys under the bus for not "winning with defense"

I'd rather live with Cam's 27% from downtown then ever playing any of those names together. At least with Cam he's going to get in there and drop those midrange bombs at an excellent clip and hit the occasional dagger three.

[Prokorov]

There is now zero reason why we should ever play a line up with less than 3 shooters on the floor.

Ben/Drummond/Brown or Ben/Drummond/Johnson are locks with Nash. he will then complain about spacing and threw his guys under the bus for not "winning with defense"

I'd rather live with Cam's 27% from downtown then ever playing any of those names together. At least with Cam he's going to get in there and drop those midrange bombs at an excellent clip and hit the occasional dagger three.

I agree.

But we are not dealing with a staff who knows what they are doing.