GT: Nets Vs Celtics 6:00 12/4

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

... But overlooked by most, because of the turnovers, was the fact that the rest of the team shot 34%. Certainly the turnovers hurt, but Boston did have one more, so I'm unable to quantify just how much. I think, however, it is simplistic not to look at this loss as a team effort. Once again the rest of the team did little offensively.
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Hmm. I look at it the other way. Right from the beginning, I felt that Durant (& Irving) were hogging the ball making the team offense stagnant. You could sense that it was the same old $H|+ again. Ball movement was lacking. Don't know how it's that easy to do much offensively when you are an afterthought. Just one old geezer's opinion.

[NetsWorld]

Tatum is just the better player now. I think its become obvious.

And that's fine. But KD committing 8 turnovers in the way that he did is a correctable issue

Durant needs to be moving without the ball, not isolating.

I wouldn't say tatum is the better player now, I think KD is still the better player. Tatum also had 9 turnovers himself and didn't play that good also. I also think KDs defense is better than Tatum, KD blocks balls like a center. KD problem is he has sweaty hands sometimes and he throws the ball cross court right into the other players hands. I seen like 2 times he tried to pull up for a shot and the ball just slips thru his hands, also he threw cross court passes that got intercepted like 3 times. I think that's fixable like MDB said.

Another thing, he might be doing a little too much out there, it's not totally his fault but we shouldn't have him bringing the ball up the court this many times. It's minor things but we played very tough defense and forced Tatum to make turnovers. He's playing with alot of energy being the ball handler, top shot creator and playing defense on Tatum or Brown .. that's a very tough task for any player. This is where Kyrie needs to come in and step it up. We need alot more than 18 points from him. This game he should of took over while Smart wasn't playing, but his shots just wasn't falling and refs don't ever do him any favors.

Kyrie is too busy praising his so called Celtics “brothers” to care about helping us. Its like bro, you should want
To destroy them, not praise them. He looked like a straight up bitch out there while
KD was trying to destroy those mofos. You can tell KD didn’t forget April. I don’t blame KD. But Kyrie looks like he isn’t genuine or just doesn’t care.

[MrDollarBills]

Durant didn't stick to the offense and it cost us. He has to take responsibility for being the focal point AND not committing bad turnovers. He should not be isolating from the top of the key, his ball handling has declined to the point where he can't be trusted not to dribble it off of his foot

Mid post, low post. Catch and survey the defense. If they are sending two, move the ball crisply and not wildly.

[MrDollarBills]

... But overlooked by most, because of the turnovers, was the fact that the rest of the team shot 34%. Certainly the turnovers hurt, but Boston did have one more, so I'm unable to quantify just how much. I think, however, it is simplistic not to look at this loss as a team effort. Once again the rest of the team did little offensively.
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Hmm. I look at it the other way. Right from the beginning, I felt that Durant (& Irving) were hogging the ball making the team offense stagnant. You could sense that it was the same old $H|+ again. Ball movement was lacking. Don't know how it's that easy to do much offensively when you are an afterthought. Just one old geezer's opinion.

Nope, you are 100% correct

The Nets didn't dig themselves out of the hole by playing isolation ball. It has been team basketball 100% and we went away from that

[Stone]

The bottom line is that, across the board everyone played below their average.

And that starts at the top. JV used an 8 player rotation like it was a playoff game. I hate to say it but it was his most Nash like performance yet. Running the starters minutes way too high and not using Patty or Morris in a game in December?

Nic really has to up his Free Throw %. He should try to copy KD's pigeon toe stance and motion. At this point what does he have to lose. Last night he was 1-6.

Royce made a lot of mistakes too. That foul on Brown's 3 point attempt uggg. But aside from that 41 minutes....why?

I want to see ball movement but these careless cross court passes are too high risk. If you are up by 10 points that's one thing, when you are down by 10 and the opponents taking chances on defense it is not the right time for that.

[ChuckS]

... But overlooked by most, because of the turnovers, was the fact that the rest of the team shot 34%. Certainly the turnovers hurt, but Boston did have one more, so I'm unable to quantify just how much. I think, however, it is simplistic not to look at this loss as a team effort. Once again the rest of the team did little offensively.
....

Hmm. I look at it the other way. Right from the beginning, I felt that Durant (& Irving) were hogging the ball making the team offense stagnant. You could sense that it was the same old $H|+ again. Ball movement was lacking. Don't know how it's that easy to do much offensively when you are an afterthought. Just one old geezer's opinion.

I probably out-geezer you. But if you are really the son of the Zaslofsky of my youth, I somewhat fear disagreeing with you.

But they were our leading assist players, splitting 10 assists. And O'neale had four of the seven other assists, so they have that going for them. The skimpy total suggests poorer ball movement or lousy shooting or both. I've always seen the argument as something of a chicken or egg thing. All the greats ISO'd. I do not think KD is a ball stopper though and doubt many who have watched this year believe that. He has the most assists, and only Ben has a nominally higher average in fewer games. In two games we won easily, he had 12 and 17 points and, if I recall correctly, had team leading assist numbers. If Boston's defense, or individual failures, shut everyone else down then we would have been blown out if the only two players who scored points did not do whatever they could to offset that. KD's efficiency suggests to me that that helped, not hurt.

But -- I could be wrong. I really am tired of making excuses for once great shooters though. These guys are professionals. As my sweet old Grams used to say: "Defecate or get off the pot"!

[NetsWorld]

The bottom line is that, across the board everyone played below their average.

And that starts at the top. JV used an 8 player rotation like it was a playoff game. I hate to say it but it was his most Nash like performance yet. Running the starters minutes way too high and not using Patty or Morris in a game in December?

Nic really has to up his Free Throw %. He should try to copy KD's pigeon toe stance and motion. At this point what does he have to lose. Last night he was 1-6.

Royce made a lot of mistakes too. That foul on Brown's 3 point attempt uggg. But aside from that 41 minutes....why?

I want to see ball movement but these careless cross court passes are too high risk. If you are up by 10 points that's one thing, when you are down by 10 and the opponents taking chances on defense it is not the right time for that.

The Celtics have become formidable, and a big part of the blame lies on the entire Nets organization itself due to lack of consistency and chemistry. Boston overcame injuries to become a very good team. To take a shocking stance, for whatever reason, yesterday's loss made me feel like the Nets time has come and gone, particularly Kyrie and KD. They didn't feel formidable against the Saltics, whom up until last year's playoffs, we used to demolish and eviscerate. I feel like perhaps, just perhaps if Harden never got traded and Kyrie was available, Boston would not be up ending us like this. But it's the Nets, we always get the short end. Yes, we may have promising and great games, but I feel like we really may not have a shot against Boston or even Milwaukee for that matter. And the refs won't make it any easier.

[gigantes]

As my sweet old Grams used to say: "Defecate or get off the pot"!

With all do respect, Chuckles, your grammy-whammy sounds kinda confused about how toilets work.

See-- the idea is that you plant your arse upon the device, finish your business, and THEN wipe yourself and arise. But I guess if Grams didn't learn how to do that by age three, maybe it became a tradition of sorts?

[ChuckS]

As my sweet old Grams used to say: "Defecate or get off the pot"!

With all do respect, Chuckles, your grammy-whammy sounds kinda confused about how toilets work.

See-- the idea is that you plant your arse upon the device, finish your business, and THEN wipe yourself and arise. But I guess if Grams didn't learn how to do that by age three, maybe it became a tradition of sorts?

How's that work again, Gigs?

Aw, never mind. I'll figure it out.

Never too late to learn.

[Hello Brooklyn]

As good as Claxton is his FT issues are becoming a massive issue.

If he doesn't improve he simply can't be played at the end of games. We REALLY need to add another big to this roster. Or consider playing Sharpe.

[GTR11]

Lot's of over reaction here

JV in his post game said all that is needed. He tried few things, some work and some didn't. What we've seen is that:
• they won't have answers for TJ
• Ben is needed more than most thought
• Brogdan is match up nightmare vs Joe
• Seth will be unplayable vs Saltics
• Royce held his own vs Brown ( I missed 1st half so ... ) in a 2ns half but was limited because he didn't want to get in foul trouble. Yuta going to be needed, we can also use TJ here and there but he ain't ready yet.
• Brogdan, White and Tatum liability on D. We need to expose that.

All that was pretty much mentioned in post gamer. However I just want to remind what Sarah said. Only difference was chemistry in that game, with time it won't be an issue.

We more talented and coaching as it showed won't be such a huge difference. Some of you give them way to much credit. They solid, not great like GSW or w3 can be. They don't have enough guns to be dominant and rely JB and Tatum to much. Once you start exposing their role players they in trouble. Like Houser, Pritchard, White etc are trash, they will be unplayable come PO.

[jirrit]

• Brogdan, White and Tatum liability on D. We need to expose that.


We more talented and coaching as it showed won't be such a huge difference.

Once you start exposing their role players they in trouble. Like Houser, Pritchard, White etc are trash, they will be unplayable come PO.

Just mentioning we played one of our worst games of the season, missing our defensive player of the year & our defensive anchor in Timelord.

Calling Tatum & White liabilities on D is insane.

Could maybe expose Pritchard a bit on the defensive end but thats about it. He isnt part of the rotation when fully healthy & even when he is I’m not even remotely concerned.

You have Kyrie. That’s enough to prove you gonna be dysfunctional cause he only cares about his own. You’re running KD in the ground also btw.

[GTR11]

• Brogdan, White and Tatum liability on D. We need to expose that.


We more talented and coaching as it showed won't be such a huge difference.

Once you start exposing their role players they in trouble. Like Houser, Pritchard, White etc are trash, they will be unplayable come PO.

Just mentioning we played one of our worst games of the season, missing our defensive player of the year & our defensive anchor in Timelord.

Calling Tatum & White liabilities on D is insane.

Could maybe expose Pritchard a bit on the defensive end but thats about it. He isnt part of the rotation when fully healthy & even when he is I’m not even remotely concerned.

You have Kyrie. That’s enough to prove you gonna be dysfunctional cause he only cares about his own. You’re running KD in the ground also btw.

Tatum is soft puss* he gets punked consistently now. He is liability that pat his stats.
Time Trash always hurt. If he's not missing games he always limping.
Brogdan washed up
Brown leaving to Miami during FA
Marcus Shart is undersized Ben wanna be

Got very lucky last year getting into finals due to other teams injuries. Got exposed and smoked during finals. Wiggins had Tatum in shook after press conference and said that puss* ain't shi*.

We will smoked your Saltic azz later on. Did that year before last.

[MrDollarBills]

Lot's of over reaction here

JV in his post game said all that is needed. He tried few things, some work and some didn't. What we've seen is that:
• they won't have answers for TJ
• Ben is needed more than most thought
• Brogdan is match up nightmare vs Joe
• Seth will be unplayable vs Saltics
• Royce held his own vs Brown ( I missed 1st half so ... ) in a 2ns half but was limited because he didn't want to get in foul trouble. Yuta going to be needed, we can also use TJ here and there but he ain't ready yet.
• Brogdan, White and Tatum liability on D. We need to expose that.

All that was pretty much mentioned in post gamer. However I just want to remind what Sarah said. Only difference was chemistry in that game, with time it won't be an issue.

We more talented and coaching as it showed won't be such a huge difference. Some of you give them way to much credit. They solid, not great like GSW or w3 can be. They don't have enough guns to be dominant and rely JB and Tatum to much. Once you start exposing their role players they in trouble. Like Houser, Pritchard, White etc are trash, they will be unplayable come PO.

I thought that the Nets beat themselves, but I cannot ignore the glaring issues that led to us getting swept happening again in this game: TURNOVERS. I have to give Boston credit: they baited KD into doing his stupid ass ISO basketball and it ripped the game right out of our hands. this isn't a Vaughn issue, or a Kyrie issue. It's all KD. He needs to move the ball and get into positions where he can shoot over the defender in the mid range. All that dribbling crap is garbage and he looks washed up when he tries it.

KD's carelessness is a massive reason why we haven't beat Boston in 5 straight contests now. It starts with him. 8 turnovers is inexcusable.

Also, we need Simmons and Yuta back badly versus teams of this caliber. Malcolm Brogdon's size was a definite issue.

[GTR11]

Lot's of over reaction here

JV in his post game said all that is needed. He tried few things, some work and some didn't. What we've seen is that:
• they won't have answers for TJ
• Ben is needed more than most thought
• Brogdan is match up nightmare vs Joe
• Seth will be unplayable vs Saltics
• Royce held his own vs Brown ( I missed 1st half so ... ) in a 2ns half but was limited because he didn't want to get in foul trouble. Yuta going to be needed, we can also use TJ here and there but he ain't ready yet.
• Brogdan, White and Tatum liability on D. We need to expose that.

All that was pretty much mentioned in post gamer. However I just want to remind what Sarah said. Only difference was chemistry in that game, with time it won't be an issue.

We more talented and coaching as it showed won't be such a huge difference. Some of you give them way to much credit. They solid, not great like GSW or w3 can be. They don't have enough guns to be dominant and rely JB and Tatum to much. Once you start exposing their role players they in trouble. Like Houser, Pritchard, White etc are trash, they will be unplayable come PO.

I thought that the Nets beat themselves, but I cannot ignore the glaring issues that led to us getting swept happening again in this game: TURNOVERS. I have to give Boston credit: they baited KD into doing his stupid ass ISO basketball and it ripped the game right out of our hands. this isn't a Vaughn issue, or a Kyrie issue. It's all KD. He needs to move the ball and get into positions where he can shoot over the defender in the mid range. All that dribbling crap is garbage and he looks washed up when he tries it.

KD's carelessness is a massive reason why we haven't beat Boston in 5 straight contests now. It starts with him. 8 turnovers is inexcusable.

Also, we need Simmons and Yuta back badly versus teams of this caliber. Malcolm Brogdon's size was a definite issue.

He had 4 or 6 during 4th Q when they doubled him. We just ain't had another ball handler and that's the reason KD went into hero mode. Rest is just chain reaction. Again this is what JV said in his post gamer, we just ain't had enough healthy bodies. Even Sumner would've been huge for us. Neither White, Pritchard or Houser can guard him and he would've break their D for a lay ups, which he does regularly to better D players.

Yuta and Ben definitely were missed. There were several positions in a row where JB just took advantage of Royce foul situation, which kept Royce playing soft D. Both Yuta and Ben above average D players with size.

I'm more concerned with Joe. Brogdan just abused him several times. Just muscled him for rebounds for lay ups and rode his azz to the basket couple times. Huge issue, and they also where singling him out on iso plays. That's how Tatum got his baskets after PnR. Like JV said, chain reaction due to match ups.

What I'm really exited about is TJ. This boy is tall meatball that they can't check. He played bully ball and they just watched. He will be our GP2 vs Saltic match up. They just don't have answers for him. Him being tall 3 level scorer is just crazy privilege. Marks need to move Joe and Seth ( who seem to be unplayable at times ) to create cap space, TJ is a must resign for us.

[jirrit]

• Brogdan, White and Tatum liability on D. We need to expose that.


We more talented and coaching as it showed won't be such a huge difference.

Once you start exposing their role players they in trouble. Like Houser, Pritchard, White etc are trash, they will be unplayable come PO.

Just mentioning we played one of our worst games of the season, missing our defensive player of the year & our defensive anchor in Timelord.

Calling Tatum & White liabilities on D is insane.

Could maybe expose Pritchard a bit on the defensive end but thats about it. He isnt part of the rotation when fully healthy & even when he is I’m not even remotely concerned.

You have Kyrie. That’s enough to prove you gonna be dysfunctional cause he only cares about his own. You’re running KD in the ground also btw.

Tatum is soft puss* he gets punked consistently now. He is liability that pat his stats.
Time Trash always hurt. If he's not missing games he always limping.
Brogdan washed up
Brown leaving to Miami during FA
Marcus Shart is undersized Ben wanna be

Got very lucky last year getting into finals due to other teams injuries. Got exposed and smoked during finals. Wiggins had Tatum in shook after press conference and said that puss* ain't shi*.

We will smoked your Saltic azz later on. Did that year before last.

You got swept man. Lost again and are barely in the play-offs and you had your star asking out yet you have the guts to call me out? You live in the past man.

[GTR11]

Just mentioning we played one of our worst games of the season, missing our defensive player of the year & our defensive anchor in Timelord.

Calling Tatum & White liabilities on D is insane.

Could maybe expose Pritchard a bit on the defensive end but thats about it. He isnt part of the rotation when fully healthy & even when he is I’m not even remotely concerned.

You have Kyrie. That’s enough to prove you gonna be dysfunctional cause he only cares about his own. You’re running KD in the ground also btw.

Tatum is soft puss* he gets punked consistently now. He is liability that pat his stats.
Time Trash always hurt. If he's not missing games he always limping.
Brogdan washed up
Brown leaving to Miami during FA
Marcus Shart is undersized Ben wanna be

Got very lucky last year getting into finals due to other teams injuries. Got exposed and smoked during finals. Wiggins had Tatum in shook after press conference and said that puss* ain't shi*.

We will smoked your Saltic azz later on. Did that year before last.

You got swept man. Lost again and are barely in the play-offs and you had your star asking out yet you have the guts to call me out? You live in the past man.

You got back door swept so?

Since when you winning chip in a first day of December

We 7-3 in last ten games, while being 6th seed and that's after missing half of our roster. Saltic swept a team that don't exist anymore under different HC.

Why this troll even allowed here

The stupidity level with this clown has no bottom

[cam24thomas]

Boston only scored 41 points in the 2nd Half, and with about 3 minutes left they'd only scored 32 points in the 2nd Half!
Boston are the best shooters in the NBA so our defense must be incredible!

[gigantes]

As my sweet old Grams used to say: "Defecate or get off the pot"!

With all do respect, Chuckles, your grammy-whammy sounds kinda confused about how toilets work.

See-- the idea is that you plant your arse upon the device, finish your business, and THEN wipe yourself and arise. But I guess if Grams didn't learn how to do that by age three, maybe it became a tradition of sorts?

How's that work again, Gigs?

Aw, never mind. I'll figure it out.

Never too late to learn.

Sorry Chuck, that was definitely a 'spiked eggnog' comment.
Rude of me.

That said, that old roughneck saying has never made much sense to me, as going to the John Harington has never been a particularly optional process AFAIK.

Then again, it's just a saying.

[ArksNetsSince99]

I don't get why we never play Sharpe. Hes a good rebounder and seems to be able to shoot 3s. I say we give him some run.

Now you advocate for Sharpe minutes ? World must be near its end