GT: Nets @ Hawks 12/28 7:30pm

[MrDollarBills]

Either way, 10 in a row. We are on fire.

[ArksNetsSince99]

One up and down game the Nets would have lost last year; the team won with defense and they came back from 15 down. It’s one game guys. The team is building and growing and winning games even if they perform poorly.

True but with Durant ISO at the end of the games , high turnover rate , and terrible passing skills out of double team I got nothing but flashes from Boston series and I hate those

It’s nothing more than Durant ego and so far there is nobody to tell him the truth with the straight face

[gigantes]

Okay, ready for some rants? Here goes..

Rant 1) Damn, that was a really braindead shot by Kyrie, with 4secs left. Could have cost us pretty infamously.

Seriously... it never fails to amaze how BB-talented this guy is in so many ways, yet at the same time how many fundamental mistakes he makes as a short, high-usage guard and team player. To me it's the 'Kyrie show' or 'no show at all,' too many plays. It's like the dude's ego & narrative always come first, no matter what.


Rant 2) O'Neale ineptly running the halfcourt poss with 1:40 reminds of the fact that the team still doesn't have a pure, reliable PG who's able to find great angles and opportunities for other players without necessarily having great handles and being a great scorer.

Point-forward Simmons is the natural answer here, but Magic Johnson he ain't. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as Ben can't hit a FT to save his life, he's going to be shy about attacking the rim, which would at least make him a respectable double-threat, which is the best he's ever going to be, for better or worst.

There's also the fact that he seems to prefer making his assists when there's a lot of motion and quick-passing involved, and not necessarily as a halfcourt floor general who surveys the best attacking options, then patiently picks apart the flaws in a defense.

All this shizzle is a big concern to me for the playoffs, where teams are going to be taking away or whittling away a big part of our usual options and even some of our 1v1 scoring.

Now call me Captain Cynical, but we still have a ways to go before being a true contender, and not just a paper-contender with a good rekkid.

[YamaChan]

One up and down game the Nets would have lost last year; the team won with defense and they came back from 15 down. It’s one game guys. The team is building and growing and winning games even if they perform poorly.

True but with Durant ISO at the end of the games , high turnover rate , and terrible passing skills out of double team I got nothing but flashes from Boston series and I hate those

It’s nothing more than Durant ego and so far there is nobody to tell him the truth with the straight face

The Boston series was an anomaly not the norm for him. KD has always been one of the most reliable crunch time players in the playoffs, and he has a resume to prove it.

I'm sure KD himself would like to operate within the flow of the offense, but ugly games happen every now and then, even during 10-game winning streaks. Maybe especially during.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Okay, ready for some rants? Here goes..

Rant 1) Damn, that was a really braindead shot by Kyrie, with 4secs left. Could have cost us pretty infamously.

Seriously... it never fails to amaze how BB-talented this guy is in so many ways, yet at the same time how many fundamental mistakes he makes as a short, high-usage guard and team player. To me it's the 'Kyrie show' or 'no show at all,' too many plays. It's like the dude's ego & narrative always come first, no matter what.


Rant 2) O'Neale ineptly running the halfcourt poss with 1:40 reminds of the fact that the team still doesn't have a pure, reliable PG who's able to find great angles and opportunities for other players without necessarily having great handles and being a great scorer.

Point-forward Simmons is the natural answer here, but Magic Johnson he ain't. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as Ben can't hit a FT to save his life, he's going to be shy about attacking the rim, which would at least make him a respectable double-threat, which is the best he's ever going to be, for better or worst.

There's also the fact that he seems to prefer making his assists when there's a lot of motion and quick-passing involved, and not necessarily as a halfcourt floor general who surveys the best attacking options, then patiently picks apart the flaws in a defense.

All this shizzle is a big concern to me for the playoffs, where teams are going to be taking away or whittling away a big part of our usual options and even some of our 1v1 scoring.

Now call me Captain Cynical, but we still have a ways to go before being a true contender, and not just a paper-contender with a good rekkid.

Re1 Kyrie is adrenaline junkie

Re2 yes we need a pg , Simmons is first 3 quarters PG , he cannot perform in fourth to save his life

Ps , nothing cynical , we need trades for guys who doesn’t add anything to this team

Joe Harris
Kessler E
Cam
Sharpe
+ marginal guys
Patty
Seth

[Tha King]

One up and down game the Nets would have lost last year; the team won with defense and they came back from 15 down. It’s one game guys. The team is building and growing and winning games even if they perform poorly.

True but with Durant ISO at the end of the games , high turnover rate , and terrible passing skills out of double team I got nothing but flashes from Boston series and I hate those

It’s nothing more than Durant ego and so far there is nobody to tell him the truth with the straight face

The Boston series was an anomaly not the norm for him. KD has always been one of the most reliable crunch time players in the playoffs, and he has a resume to prove it.

I'm sure KD himself would like to operate within the flow of the offense, but ugly games happen every now and then, even during 10-game winning streaks. Maybe especially during.

you're right but that's also the past and includes prime KD. I don't think ISO heavy offense will be all that effective against the elite teams, and especially in the playoffs.

[Tha King]

Claxton should be in consideration for all nba defense.

He's been elite. There's a whole next level he can reach offensively too.

[Rastas]

One up and down game the Nets would have lost last year; the team won with defense and they came back from 15 down. It’s one game guys. The team is building and growing and winning games even if they perform poorly.

True but with Durant ISO at the end of the games , high turnover rate , and terrible passing skills out of double team I got nothing but flashes from Boston series and I hate those

It’s nothing more than Durant ego and so far there is nobody to tell him the truth with the straight face

The more worrying part is JV continues to let him do it , with no sign of upsetting Kev's ego.

Team needs more of Ben feeding all the other shooters and keeping them happy instead of them all standing around n watching Kev hero or zero it.
Kev will still get his numbers either way , best for team to keep as many as possible happy and positive.

[Rastas]

Ky f***in Rie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What we gonna do contract wise in offseason?

1+1 max ?

Basketball wise he is helluva player , but anything longer than 1+1 is suicide with Kyrie

If the team wants to keep him I would offer him 2 guaranteed Max years to match KD's remaining contract and maybe a partially guaranteed 3rd yr.

About 7 more weeks till the Trade Deadline , lets see how things have progressed by then , as I feel the team in win now mode needs to remove at least one small for a tall.

[GTR11]

Okay, ready for some rants? Here goes..

Rant 1) Damn, that was a really braindead shot by Kyrie, with 4secs left. Could have cost us pretty infamously.

Seriously... it never fails to amaze how BB-talented this guy is in so many ways, yet at the same time how many fundamental mistakes he makes as a short, high-usage guard and team player. To me it's the 'Kyrie show' or 'no show at all,' too many plays. It's like the dude's ego & narrative always come first, no matter what.


Rant 2) O'Neale ineptly running the halfcourt poss with 1:40 reminds of the fact that the team still doesn't have a pure, reliable PG who's able to find great angles and opportunities for other players without necessarily having great handles and being a great scorer.

Point-forward Simmons is the natural answer here, but Magic Johnson he ain't. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as Ben can't hit a FT to save his life, he's going to be shy about attacking the rim, which would at least make him a respectable double-threat, which is the best he's ever going to be, for better or worst.

There's also the fact that he seems to prefer making his assists when there's a lot of motion and quick-passing involved, and not necessarily as a halfcourt floor general who surveys the best attacking options, then patiently picks apart the flaws in a defense.

All this shizzle is a big concern to me for the playoffs, where teams are going to be taking away or whittling away a big part of our usual options and even some of our 1v1 scoring.

Now call me Captain Cynical, but we still have a ways to go before being a true contender, and not just a paper-contender with a good rekkid.

Everything you said relates to coaching. We just scraping something that everyone here was spitting their blood for. JV and Kokoskov for all their work still underperforming to unleash the beast this team is. We need a development coach plus offensive mastermind like Kenny, Lawrence Frank who can take this team to another level to be legit chip favorite. My preference goes to coach Borega. I mean just look how bad and inept Hornets looking without him.

Also funny thing is. It all could've been mitigated by solid game from TJ. He still looking for his role but is dumbfounded at times what to do.

It's all about coaching right now.

[JoseRizal]

Good win! With the Bucks loss to the Bulls, we're officially the 2nd seed in the East!

[GTR11]

One up and down game the Nets would have lost last year; the team won with defense and they came back from 15 down. It’s one game guys. The team is building and growing and winning games even if they perform poorly.

True but with Durant ISO at the end of the games , high turnover rate , and terrible passing skills out of double team I got nothing but flashes from Boston series and I hate those

It’s nothing more than Durant ego and so far there is nobody to tell him the truth with the straight face

The Boston series was an anomaly not the norm for him. KD has always been one of the most reliable crunch time players in the playoffs, and he has a resume to prove it.

I'm sure KD himself would like to operate within the flow of the offense, but ugly games happen every now and then, even during 10-game winning streaks. Maybe especially during.

It was not. Udoka knew how bad Steve Trash is with development coaches to lead grown team that needs win now system.

Since he was an assistant here he knew everything within and also executed perfect recipes for KD. Let's not underestimate the work he put up. KD has flows into his games and Ime exposed it. Mind set will be main issue imo. Something Kerr was able to handle.

[GTR11]

Claxton should be in consideration for all nba defense.

He's been elite. There's a whole next level he can reach offensively too.

Nic is DPOY period. There's not one player that being this dominant right now.

Right now it's reputation context and clowns won't vote because they kaka us hard early. Hot takes can make you look like complete moron and rest of these talking head clowns being one.

[GTR11]

Good win! With the Bucks loss to the Bulls, we're officially the 2nd seed in the East!

We ain't worried about Bucks. They got Khris issue they won't be able to overcome during this regular season.

It's a race for the 1st seed between Saltics and Nets with Philthy being dark horse.

Positioning will be key this year. There's 5 teams in EC that legitimately going to contend.

Mazzulla is TRASH !!! Saltics in trouble. They reverted back to Saltics of years past before Ime. Brad Softie team again. All the bad habits came back.

[GTR11]

We don't need traditional C at all. We need ragid stretch five like Olynik to complete this team. Traditional C unplayable on this team. We need a C/PF who can switch and play perimeter respectably, they won't be Nic Claxton.

Nic being healthy is something no one expected except Sean Marks who did nothing to back him up. A lot of thing can and will go wrong if Nic to miss games.

Most of us here yet to be awakened.

[YamaChan]

True but with Durant ISO at the end of the games , high turnover rate , and terrible passing skills out of double team I got nothing but flashes from Boston series and I hate those

It’s nothing more than Durant ego and so far there is nobody to tell him the truth with the straight face

The Boston series was an anomaly not the norm for him. KD has always been one of the most reliable crunch time players in the playoffs, and he has a resume to prove it.

I'm sure KD himself would like to operate within the flow of the offense, but ugly games happen every now and then, even during 10-game winning streaks. Maybe especially during.

you're right but that's also the past and includes prime KD. I don't think ISO heavy offense will be all that effective against the elite teams, and especially in the playoffs.

That's actually the most fair statement you could've made. I've been watching every KD playoff game since he was a skinny kid getting bullied around by Ron Artest, and I watched his game evolve as he grew into a man. I agree that ISO heavy offense isn't the answer (if only you could see how much I used to bash the Thunder for running exactly that), but a KD isolation for a crunch time possession isn't always a bad option. He's pretty good at it, and I've seen many more playoff games where that worked out than ones where it didn't.

I just didn't think it was a fair comment to use the Boston series as a representation of how KD operates in ISO situations, as if it wasn't his worst series since...he was that skinny kid getting bullied around by Ron Artest in 2010.

And let's be honest. There were a lot of things going on with that team that simply wouldn't lend itself to winning basketball regardless of talent.

[gigantes]

Okay, ready for some rants? Here goes..

Rant 1) Damn, that was a really braindead shot by Kyrie, with 4secs left. Could have cost us pretty infamously.

Seriously... it never fails to amaze how BB-talented this guy is in so many ways, yet at the same time how many fundamental mistakes he makes as a short, high-usage guard and team player. To me it's the 'Kyrie show' or 'no show at all,' too many plays. It's like the dude's ego & narrative always come first, no matter what.


Rant 2) O'Neale ineptly running the halfcourt poss with 1:40 reminds of the fact that the team still doesn't have a pure, reliable PG who's able to find great angles and opportunities for other players without necessarily having great handles and being a great scorer.

Point-forward Simmons is the natural answer here, but Magic Johnson he ain't. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as Ben can't hit a FT to save his life, he's going to be shy about attacking the rim, which would at least make him a respectable double-threat, which is the best he's ever going to be, for better or worst.

There's also the fact that he seems to prefer making his assists when there's a lot of motion and quick-passing involved, and not necessarily as a halfcourt floor general who surveys the best attacking options, then patiently picks apart the flaws in a defense.

All this shizzle is a big concern to me for the playoffs, where teams are going to be taking away or whittling away a big part of our usual options and even some of our 1v1 scoring.

Now call me Captain Cynical, but we still have a ways to go before being a true contender, and not just a paper-contender with a good rekkid.

Everything you said relates to coaching. We just scraping something that everyone here was spitting their blood for. JV and Kokoskov for all their work still underperforming to unleash the beast this team is. We need a development coach plus offensive mastermind like Kenny, Lawrence Frank who can take this team to another level to be legit chip favorite. My preference goes to coach Borega. I mean just look how bad and inept Hornets looking without him.

Also funny thing is. It all could've been mitigated by solid game from TJ. He still looking for his role but is dumbfounded at times what to do.

It's all about coaching right now.

Yeah-- no it's not just about coaching.

You can have the best coaching staff in the world, but without a pure point guard or point-forward to keep the offense humming and pick apart a defense, everything is harder, and typically the more you have to rely on your clutch crew to make up for the lack of BBIQ.

Screw that noise, if you actually want to pursue a title.

Cliffs notes: Sooner or later across the playoffs, every weakness upon your roster or mix of talent will be found out and exploited.

So yeah, nothing wrong with all of us feeling so proud and happy with the Nets across this glorious December, but that's not the point, you know?

[GTR11]

Okay, ready for some rants? Here goes..

Rant 1) Damn, that was a really braindead shot by Kyrie, with 4secs left. Could have cost us pretty infamously.

Seriously... it never fails to amaze how BB-talented this guy is in so many ways, yet at the same time how many fundamental mistakes he makes as a short, high-usage guard and team player. To me it's the 'Kyrie show' or 'no show at all,' too many plays. It's like the dude's ego & narrative always come first, no matter what.


Rant 2) O'Neale ineptly running the halfcourt poss with 1:40 reminds of the fact that the team still doesn't have a pure, reliable PG who's able to find great angles and opportunities for other players without necessarily having great handles and being a great scorer.

Point-forward Simmons is the natural answer here, but Magic Johnson he ain't. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as Ben can't hit a FT to save his life, he's going to be shy about attacking the rim, which would at least make him a respectable double-threat, which is the best he's ever going to be, for better or worst.

There's also the fact that he seems to prefer making his assists when there's a lot of motion and quick-passing involved, and not necessarily as a halfcourt floor general who surveys the best attacking options, then patiently picks apart the flaws in a defense.

All this shizzle is a big concern to me for the playoffs, where teams are going to be taking away or whittling away a big part of our usual options and even some of our 1v1 scoring.

Now call me Captain Cynical, but we still have a ways to go before being a true contender, and not just a paper-contender with a good rekkid.

Everything you said relates to coaching. We just scraping something that everyone here was spitting their blood for. JV and Kokoskov for all their work still underperforming to unleash the beast this team is. We need a development coach plus offensive mastermind like Kenny, Lawrence Frank who can take this team to another level to be legit chip favorite. My preference goes to coach Borega. I mean just look how bad and inept Hornets looking without him.

Also funny thing is. It all could've been mitigated by solid game from TJ. He still looking for his role but is dumbfounded at times what to do.

It's all about coaching right now.

Yeah-- no it's not just about coaching.

You can have the best coaching staff in the world, but without a pure point guard or point-forward to keep the offense humming and pick apart a defense, everything is harder, and typically the more you have to rely on your clutch crew to make up for the lack of BBIQ.

Screw that noise, if you actually want to pursue a title.

Cliffs notes: Sooner or later across the playoffs, every weakness upon your roster or mix of talent will be found out and exploited.

So yeah, nothing wrong with all of us feeling so proud and happy with the Nets across this glorious December, but that's not the point, you know?

Ok, than apply same energy to other teams.

Kyrie for all his weaknesses still best closer in the game you can find right now. He is top 3 even for haters who trashed him for past two years.

Saltics got true PG who can make plays? What about Bucks or Miami?

You believe in washed up Harden?

[MGrand15]

Okay, ready for some rants? Here goes..

Rant 1) Damn, that was a really braindead shot by Kyrie, with 4secs left. Could have cost us pretty infamously.

Seriously... it never fails to amaze how BB-talented this guy is in so many ways, yet at the same time how many fundamental mistakes he makes as a short, high-usage guard and team player. To me it's the 'Kyrie show' or 'no show at all,' too many plays. It's like the dude's ego & narrative always come first, no matter what.


Rant 2) O'Neale ineptly running the halfcourt poss with 1:40 reminds of the fact that the team still doesn't have a pure, reliable PG who's able to find great angles and opportunities for other players without necessarily having great handles and being a great scorer.

Point-forward Simmons is the natural answer here, but Magic Johnson he ain't. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as Ben can't hit a FT to save his life, he's going to be shy about attacking the rim, which would at least make him a respectable double-threat, which is the best he's ever going to be, for better or worst.

There's also the fact that he seems to prefer making his assists when there's a lot of motion and quick-passing involved, and not necessarily as a halfcourt floor general who surveys the best attacking options, then patiently picks apart the flaws in a defense.

All this shizzle is a big concern to me for the playoffs, where teams are going to be taking away or whittling away a big part of our usual options and even some of our 1v1 scoring.

Now call me Captain Cynical, but we still have a ways to go before being a true contender, and not just a paper-contender with a good rekkid.

1. I hate those shots too but those iso shots are more about getting a shot up as late in the clock as possible and avoiding a turnover. The hero ball looks ugly when it doesn't work but there is some actual strategy behind it.

2. I don't disagree with your point for the playoffs but I will say, our offense has been pretty damn great since Vaughn took over. And somehow our record is ridiculous in the clutch. I think if we get Kyrie and KD in space, I mostly trust them to make the right decisions.

I'm chalking this game up to regular season boredom against an undermanned team. We're still racking up Ws so I'll take it. Building chemistry. We still have a few moves to make.

[gigantes]

1. I hate those shots too but those iso shots are more about getting a shot up as late in the clock as possible and avoiding a turnover. The hero ball looks ugly when it doesn't work but there is some actual strategy behind it.

You may be right, MGrandy.

But... I could have sworn the shot-clock was generously larger than the game-clock at that point. Can someone check the replay, please?

Kyrie's #1 priority as a team player right there was to lean on his incredible ball-dribbling in order to make them foul against a deadeye foul-shooter.

Instead he decided to go all Iverson/Kobe.
A terrible decision which with four seconds left is absolutely unforgiveable if you know Bball 101.

So... am I wrong?