Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Prokorov]

Jordan Hill and Carlos Boozer for Lopez ... save money, (arguably) get better.

Get better how?

we have a dire need for a PF and jordan hill is a much better fit then lopez. we drastically upgrade our rebounding and depth

[Prokorov]

Reggie Jackson is a bum and is looking to get paid. He isn't getting you Lopez. OKC doesn't have enough to get Lopez.

Its weird to see your opinion differ from most of the user here who are gushing over scrubs like PJIII and Lamb and saying that Lopez is not enough to get them, not to mention Reggie.

But for once, I agree with you.

Reggie is a lose/lose for the Nets. Let's pretend that he is an above average player. He is looking to get paid this offseason. Why dump Lopez's salary just to pay this guy and waste 2016 salary.

Now lets deal in reality, Reggie isnt a very good player. Sub par shooter who is a high usage player. Why would we take him when we have the better version of him in Jack already?

I like Perry Jones but he isnt enough for Lopez. Lamb can be a good player but I dont think he moves the needle. He is too passive. OKC is trying to dump thier junk on us and they are mad that we arent buying.

we dont have to sign jackson, we can just rent him to help get in the playoffs.

we could sign and trade jackson as moving lopez for perkins expiring and letting kg expire gets us under the tax. im sure someone would be itnerested

but its moot as jackson is a massive overpay for lopez.

[Prokorov]

Much like Billy King, many Nets fans, it seems, are unclear on what they really want.

If the Nets are about winning to make the playoffs, they should, by my estimation, keep Lopez. But according to many posters, keeping Lopez would be "irresponsible". There seems to be a need for wing and froncourt depth in any return for Lopez, but that "need" seems quite specific, so specific that it seems that trading Lopez could be an extremely challenging endeavor ...

... so, knowing all of this, why would it be such a travesty if King did not find a deal for Lopez?

There isn't even a very general consensus as to what would be a reasonable return for Lopez--a guy who is lambasted for being utterly worthless, soft, and a non-winner for this franchise. If Net's fans see these qualities, isn't it reasonable to think that NBA execs see them too?

If you want the best chance to win, keep him (regardless of what the advanced stats show).
If you want to save money next year, trade him for expirings that give you a chance to be as good or better than you are now.
If you want to acquire a player that is better than Lopez, the chances are very, very, very slim.

keeping lopez is NOT a good idea if the goal is making the playoffs. he doesnt fit the roster or the coach and we are MUCH better record wise without him both this and last season.

keeping lopez = no playoffs

[Prokorov]

While I don't think Lopez is worth a bag of balls like what Denver offered, I don't think he's fetching more than what OKC is offering. Net fans need to come to terms with the fact that the fanbase grossly overrates Lopez, especially after one of the few games where he plays hard, whereas outside of the biased net fandom Lopez is viewed as an injury prone, soft player that doesn't defend and doesn't rebound.

spot on.

lopez has a couple good games and all of a sudden people ar eon hsi bandwagon and talking playoffs and "top center" and all of this other nonsense. then he has a 5 game stretch playing like a pansy and everyone is back on the trade train

the knee jerk with lopez here is insane.

the guy needs to go. he doesnt fit this team, the coach hates him, and he isnt really all that good. we have a much better record without him and he isnt a guy who carries you to wins.

we could use SG/PF help much more then lopez as far as making the playoffs goes

[Paradise]

Jordan Hill and Carlos Boozer for Lopez ... save money, (arguably) get better.

Get better how?

we have a dire need for a PF and jordan hill is a much better fit then lopez. we drastically upgrade our rebounding and depth

If we are trying to sign Blatche. Why would we need Boozer? He's terrible. It's comical you justify awful trade proposals because of your irrational hate.

[Prokorov]

Get better how?

we have a dire need for a PF and jordan hill is a much better fit then lopez. we drastically upgrade our rebounding and depth

If we are trying to sign Blatche. Why would we need Boozer? He's terrible. It's comical you justify awful trade proposals because of your irrational hate.

Carlos Boozer is not terrible. Cory Jefferson is terrible. playing joe johnson at PF is terrible. Carlos boozer is at worst an average player and at the very least still an outstanding defensive rebounder. he woudl certainly be a huge help at PF. If we get blatche, then sure our biggest need is SG. but that is yet to happen.

Jordan Hill is a better fit for this team then lopez.

i dont see how thats a bad trade, considering both of those players would expire so in addition to helping us make the playoffs we get 100% cap relief on lopez.

im not sure why you guys think lopez has this insanely high value, inspite of all rumored offers being basically this kind of value (Perk + lamb, hickson/mcgee + pick, etc...)

we arent doing better then expirings or non-expirings + pick.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, while i'd rather go for youth instead of the expirings of those two I'm in agreement. Lopez's value isn't going to net any star players or valuable picks.

We cannot sit here and point out how flawed Lopez is and then think that GMs around the league aren't aware of what we see on a nightly basis. Compound that with the fact that Brook has had season ending injuries 2 out of the last 4 seasons.

I for one, would not trade anything worth a good god damn for Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson, or Deron The Dog Williams. I'd try to pawn off bad contracts and worthless 2nd rounders for them because they aren't worth the money they are being paid. If I'm gonna shell out 12 mil extra than what these guys are worth in reality I'm offering King a bag of steaming dog ****.

IMO, the fact that OKC even offered Lamb and possibly Jones, two good young prospects, is more than what I'd offer if I were Presti. I'd offer Perkins and a 2nd rd pick.

Why would I give up assets for a guy that is slow, can't defend, can't rebound, gives inconsistent efforts, and is a one trick pony?

You can argue that his brother Robin, who the Blazers have missed badly during his absence, gives his team more bang for their buck at 6 mil and providing defense, energy, and rebounding than Brook does for any team.

[Paradise]

Carlos Boozer is not terrible. Cory Jefferson is terrible. playing joe johnson at PF is terrible. Carlos boozer is at worst an average player and at the very least still an outstanding defensive rebounder. he woudl certainly be a huge help at PF. If we get blatche, then sure our biggest need is SG. but that is yet to happen.

Average? Boozer is ranked 94th in PF defense and 50th in offense. He's awful. He's been relegated to the bench on a LOTTERY team in LA. What value would he somehow provide here exactly? Cory Jefferson has better defensive RPM than he does.

i dont see how thats a bad trade, considering both of those players would expire so in addition to helping us make the playoffs we get 100% cap relief on lopez.

You get no long term compensation and we don't address lack of depth at shooting guard and small forward. Boozer/Hill is a comical rental. It's a poorer version of Hickson/McGee even though Hill is better.

im not sure why you guys think lopez has this insanely high value, inspite of all rumored offers being basically this kind of value (Perk + lamb, hickson/mcgee + pick, etc...)

Perkins/Lamb, Stephenson + fillers are fine. You actually get a long term prospect and expiring contract that can be flipped. It's quite obvious we aren't going to get A-list trade packages but I'm not going to settle for terrible deals either. If It comes down to Hickson/McGee or some terrible deal like Boozer/Hill. I'd rather keep Lopez.

[Prokorov]

Average? Boozer is ranked 94th in PF defense and 50th in offense. He's awful. He's been relegated to the bench on a LOTTERY team in LA. What value would he somehow provide here exactly? Cory Jefferson has better defensive RPM than he does.

Ummmm and lopez hasnt been relegated to the bench on a lottery team?

Never said boozers defense was good, mentioned his rebounding. offensively he is certainly average or better and an upgrade from KG/Jefferson

You get no long term compensation and we don't address lack of depth at shooting guard and small forward. Boozer/Hill is a comical rental. It's a poorer version of Hickson/McGee even though Hill is better.

we arent getting long term compensation for him unless we take on money back (i.e. denver deal). its one or the other, players who can help now who expire, or players with contracts + pick or asset

Perkins/Lamb, Stephenson + fillers are fine. You actually get a long term prospect and expiring contract that can be flipped. It's quite obvious we aren't going to get A-list trade packages but I'm not going to settle for terrible deals either. If It comes down to Hickson/McGee or some terrible deal like Boozer/Hill. I'd rather keep Lopez.

yes, we would all love the stephenson deal, but that doesnt seem to be a realistic option

[Born_Ready]

I'm glad the team has found a way to beat two playoff teams. It looks like they are getting healthy and have found a new culture of winning. This is the type of culture Billy King said could happen. So....... if the Nets are winning.....there will be no trading.

[Keith Van Horn]

I don't know, If Lopez can be turned into a good starting SG, and then we can sign Blatche to replace Brook's minutes off the bench, I think that would be the best case scenario.

[Keith Van Horn]

If in any way the CHA-OKC-BKN trade could be revisited and we could end up with Lance + Perkins, sign Blatche, and get some serious consistency out of guys like Jefferson and Bogs:

Jack / Williams
Stephenson / Bogdanovic
Johnson / Anderson
Plumlee / Jefferson
Garnett / Blatche

And then Perkins, Garnett, and Teletovic come off the books after this summer, we would be in a decent place going forward.

We would just DESPERATELY need to cut ties with Billy King over the summer too. But who knows if and when that will ever happen.

[F3LON]

Dont look now but Eric Gordon has been balling for the last month. He shot 45.4% FG and 44.9% 3pt in Jan. He might be someone to target after signing Blatche.

Plumlee - Garnett
Blatche - Jefferson
Johnson - Bogs
E Gordon - Anderson
Jack - DWill

[Keith Van Horn]

Dont look now but Eric Gordon has been balling for the last month. He shot 45.4% FG and 44.9% 3pt in Jan. He might be someone to target after signing Blatche.

Plumlee - Garnett
Blatche - Jefferson
Johnson - Bogs
E Gordon - Anderson
Jack - DWill

I had brought this up last year, Lopez for Gordon... rish for a risk. Both would seem like ideal fits for the other team. Interesting, but I hope King hasn't given up on working something out with CHA.

[Prokorov]

I'm glad the team has found a way to beat two playoff teams. It looks like they are getting healthy and have found a new culture of winning. This is the type of culture Billy King said could happen. So....... if the Nets are winning.....there will be no trading.

2 wins in a row, when you are 20-28 is not a culture of winning.

lets get to 29-28, then we can talk about winning.

[Prokorov]

I don't know, If Lopez can be turned into a good starting SG, and then we can sign Blatche to replace Brook's minutes off the bench, I think that would be the best case scenario.

I agree with this. SG/PF are really big flaws for this team.... you can already see how much of a difference dwill at SG has made, and thats with dwill not really a good fit next to jack or a good fit at SG.

[Prokorov]

Dont look now but Eric Gordon has been balling for the last month. He shot 45.4% FG and 44.9% 3pt in Jan. He might be someone to target after signing Blatche.

Plumlee - Garnett
Blatche - Jefferson
Johnson - Bogs
E Gordon - Anderson
Jack - DWill

gordon is the last guy we need....

injury prone
gives no salary relief
hasnt quite fit with other ball dominant players
insanely inconsistent from deep

i mean, if it was the day of the deadline and we did brook for gordon i guess id do it, but id much rather have lance or someone who i can count on being in the lineup

[MGrand15]

Meh. Eric Gordon has just started caring after like 3 years of not giving a ****. The guy is a guard working his way into shape in Jan/Feb. Not even playing with a top 3 player in the league and being in the playoff hunt could motivate him. Count me out of wanting him on the team. Would rather keep Lopez and sign a minimum wing player or something.

[MrDollarBills]

I'd rather keep Lopez than trade him for Eric Gordon's corpse.

[Keith Van Horn]

It's fun to see what a little life in the SG position can do to this team. I think that's our biggest need, and with Blatche possibly (hopefully) making a comeback, then Lopez needs to be flipped for a SG.

Possible candidates?:

- Denver and Afflalo -- would have to take McGee too, but I don't think they want to part with Afflalo

- Charlotte and Stephenson -- the apple of many of our eyes', the "obvious" choice, but the more time goes by the more it seems like it won't happen. Too bad.

- OKC and Lamb -- Would be very interesting to see him here, also being a Uconn guy, I can't say that I wouldn't love to have him. Also add Perk to the deal and relegate him to the bench or foul trouble minutes.