2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[DartboardT]

Nets are hungry and they play very very hard. When healthy they can even play well with certain lineups for certain stretches. We saw concrete examples of this last year. Team morale was so high for the win count, it almost didn't make sense.

Net-net (pun...probably intended), they're at a higher overall talent level vs. last year even minus Brook, and gains in team chemistry (Lintegration, Esprit de Caris, New Management Year 2, etc.) count for something too.

Add a Stretch 4/5 or not, I think the Nets are ready to take the next step in their rebuild. Might not be 35 wins, but it should be very fun to watch provided the health is there. And many East teams are weaker now, which helps in its own bizarre way.

[brook]

Ilyasova with a 1 year, 6 million. A big with deep shooting is a need for us, I think...

but oh well, maybe Marks is thinking to Green or Mirotic, or maybe (probably) we start the season with this roster.

I read everywhere we have 16.5 million of cap space, but should be 18.2. I think it's because Foye's cap hold. Why we didn't waived yet?

[Ror1997]

One report said Blazers are in the Melo deal, another said its Suns/Pelicans..

Who knows? I really don't care what happens so long as if the nets are involved they don't do anything incredibly dumb

[JoseRizal]

Marks has been quiet for days now. I wonder what he's up to...

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[Prokorov]

Ilyasova with a 1 year, 6 million. A big with deep shooting is a need for us, I think...

but oh well, maybe Marks is thinking to Green or Mirotic, or maybe (probably) we start the season with this roster.

I read everywhere we have 16.5 million of cap space, but should be 18.2. I think it's because Foye's cap hold. Why we didn't waived yet?

we have acy. i think we are fine

[Prokorov]

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god i hope marks is done with massive overpays to roll guys

[Prokorov]

So which player are you going to tank For?

It amazes me how any Nets fan can advocate this after watching the Wizards get John Wall.

No one has time to sit here and watch a 13 year rebuilding project.

The short sightedness is also a killer. We don't know how any of these guys will pan out. But people carry on like they are all finished products. God, I couldn't imagine what some of you dudes on here would have said about Jimmy Butler after two seasons.

ive shown in the other thread how tanking doesnt work and how the teams who built through the draft didnt tank

not sure why everyone is in a rush to try and be the magic or cavs before lebron bailed them out

[Prokorov]

Yeah kind of weird that were not even signing vets to one year deals. I wonder what Marks is up to.

we have vets... why tie cap space into more role vets? better to have flexibility

[Prokorov]

OK, so it's over, no Crabbe, no TJ; no Porter, no KCP.

I would like to get KCP but I'm also glad that he's not coming cuz it means more pt for guys like Goodwin, iHead and DVD.

But with DAR and DMC this team is much better, one backcourt, one frontcourt, Moz at center as well.

Wanted Ilyasova, he's gone now. I guess Mark has faith in Acy and DMC?

How many are on the roster tho?

Maybe get KJ back?

Would be interesting if Marks would use that cap to get more. Aldrich?

Lets hope Nicholson can contribute, Jar is a must as well

we are at 17.

[MrDollarBills]

So which player are you going to tank For?

It amazes me how any Nets fan can advocate this after watching the Wizards get John Wall.

No one has time to sit here and watch a 13 year rebuilding project.

The short sightedness is also a killer. We don't know how any of these guys will pan out. But people carry on like they are all finished products. God, I couldn't imagine what some of you dudes on here would have said about Jimmy Butler after two seasons.

ive shown in the other thread how tanking doesnt work and how the teams who built through the draft didnt tank

not sure why everyone is in a rush to try and be the magic or cavs before lebron bailed them out

Yep.

The idea should be to compile a base of young talent that can be used to either build the team off of or be used as assets in the long run. If Sean Marks is operating under the idea that he'll toss everything away the year after next to tank for some kid that is 17 years old right now he should be rightfully fired. It's a moronic idea

we've got some young pieces with upside, and we got back into the 2018 draft. we are on the right course. The 2019 draft pick will fall where ever it will fall, but we should be continuing to focus on competing, adding to the talent that we have, and maintaining flexibility. Stay the course. We are doing things the right way. I don't care if our pick in 2019 may fall to what, 10? 12? 14? We can still get a good player from that or have an asset that can be used to package with that pick.

Also, if you advocate tanking in 2019 for one of these 17 year old kids everyone is sweating because of youtube AAU highlights, you should also advocate trading every young player on the roster before hand because if the Nets tank they will have lied and betrayed every single one of them who is buying into the culture and wants to compete every night.

[JoseRizal]

We now have a stretch 5!

[Roy Tarpley]

So which player are you going to tank For?

It amazes me how any Nets fan can advocate this after watching the Wizards get John Wall.

No one has time to sit here and watch a 13 year rebuilding project.

The short sightedness is also a killer. We don't know how any of these guys will pan out. But people carry on like they are all finished products. God, I couldn't imagine what some of you dudes on here would have said about Jimmy Butler after two seasons.

ive shown in the other thread how tanking doesnt work and how the teams who built through the draft didnt tank

not sure why everyone is in a rush to try and be the magic or cavs before lebron bailed them out

Yep.

The idea should be to compile a base of young talent that can be used to either build the team off of or be used as assets in the long run. If Sean Marks is operating under the idea that he'll toss everything away the year after next to tank for some kid that is 17 years old right now he should be rightfully fired. It's a moronic idea

we've got some young pieces with upside, and we got back into the 2018 draft. we are on the right course. The 2019 draft pick will fall where ever it will fall, but we should be continuing to focus on competing, adding to the talent that we have, and maintaining flexibility. Stay the course. We are doing things the right way. I don't care if our pick in 2019 may fall to what, 10? 12? 14? We can still get a good player from that or have an asset that can be used to package with that pick.

Also, if you advocate tanking in 2019 for one of these 17 year old kids everyone is sweating because of youtube AAU highlights, you should also advocate trading every young player on the roster before hand because if the Nets tank they will have lied and betrayed every single one of them who is buying into the culture and wants to compete every night.

I think "tanking" and "base of young talent" might be a distinction without a difference. Both achieve the goal of a poor record that will lead to a high draft pick.

If the Nets ultimately waive, stretch, trade, or let go veterans like Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Garnett, Lopez, Thad, Bogs, that is essentially a tank. Same thing for the Bulls in letting Rondo and Butler go or the Pacers in letting PG13 and Teague go.

The Nets didn't intentionally lose last year, they busted their asses. But because of poor talent and injuries, they essentially tanked.

For 2019, I think it will be telling how the Nets do in 2018. If they surprise and win say 35 games, do they try to worsen their roster to win less games in 2019 (say by trading Lin, Booker, etc. -- but not a "tank"), or do they build on their roster to shoot for playoffs by 2019.

[Papi_swav]

Utah is trying to unload Boris Diaw, would you guys be interested in him? He is a big man that can play the 4 or 5 and will bring alot of excitement here, a great veteran we can use. His passing will fit right in with our system.

[Sleepyazn]

Utah is trying to unload Boris Diaw, would you guys be interested in him? He is a big man that can play the 4 or 5 and will bring alot of excitement here, a great veteran we can use. His passing will fit right in with our system.

I mean if they were stupid enough to attach a first for him, sure. But a 2nd rounder for taking an expiring is just meh.

[Ror1997]

Utah is trying to unload Boris Diaw, would you guys be interested in him? He is a big man that can play the 4 or 5 and will bring alot of excitement here, a great veteran we can use. His passing will fit right in with our system.

He's unguaranteed. I don't think they're trying to unload him so much as they're trying to get an asset from a team trying to create salary. Hypothetically, we could trade Nicholson+ a second for Diaw and waive Diaw.

Jazz are waiving Diaw regardless. So if a team were to be interested in Diaw himself they would be silly to trade for him. He'll be a F/A very soon

[Netaman]

I'd roll the dice on Diaw. He was solid in the Spurs system and knows how to contribute coming off the bench. He's always had a great BBIQ and even though he's not quite a stretch 4 he'd bring offensive abilities to this team that our current roster just doesn't have.

[Mkdaman1818]

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[NyCeEvO]

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Isn't today the deadline for teams to either offer the QO to RFAs or renounce them? The same should happen for the rest of the RFAs and then we can ask for the pick of the lot on 1-yr deals.