Trade Targets

vincecarter4pres · Post #821 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:12 pm

That's an interesting idea, but pretty unrealistic.

Also, although they certainly might blow it up, they also might just trade for Cousins or Gortat or the likes if the other team obliges.

bobbyc · Post #822 » by **bobbyc** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:50 pm

4 days to jan. 15.

Comeon just give us Nene

Keith Van Horn · Post #823 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:29 pm

If we were to maximize our "assets" and trade Humphries and Brooks (maybe a pick too), what would you rather have:

1- Quality starting PF
2- Quality wing/scorer 6th man

With what Tele has been showing us lately, and how Reggie has been playing, I say if they split the minutes there for the rest of the season we would be ok.

We still our 6th man guard off the bench that can be the regular guy night in and night out to score while JJ/DWill/Lopez are on the bench... and even be inserted in a lineup with them once in a while... a la Harden 2012, Ginobli, JR Smith, etc.

vincecarter4pres · Post #824 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:34 pm

I think unless you're getting a great buy low opportunity on a straight stud like Eric Gordon, you have to go for the big man depending on who that is.

Big men are rarer and a guy like Nene for example, is only an easy get cause of his contract, injury concerns and obvious below the surface disdain for being stuck on the lotto champ Wizards.

The only way we're going to get a stud 4, whether now or next year, is trade, extreme luck in the draft or if Tele becomes that dude.

You're not going to normally get a great big man with the Taxpayer's MLE or the vet minimum where as a quality wing and/or 6xth man is a lot more realistic and honestly, easy to find for that version of the MLE or with a mid to late 1st round pick, plus we have Bogs set to come over.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #825 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:25 pm

therealbig3 wrote:So...question...I was wondering what the Celtics do at this year's trade deadline. They look like they're getting better, but I think it's pretty delusional to think that they can contend this year. At best, they look like a 2nd round exit.

If they decide to blow it up, like they came close to last season, and say we have the opportunity to trade for Pierce, with Humphries, Brooks, and picks...do you do it based on talent alone, even though we have JJ and Wallace? Maybe make JJ the 6th man and start Pierce, or make Wallace the 6th man instead?

Just a thought, because trading for Rudy Gay was thrown around, and we were so close to acquiring Pierce last year anyway, and he's still a really good player, even though he doesn't fill the need for a starting PF.

Pierce is better than JJ, but he doesn't make any sense on this team. I don't think he would be a good fit.

If the Celtics are going to blow it up, we need to get KG. He is an extremely valuable asset because of his toughness and defense even at this age. Our main problem is interior defense, and that is what KG specializes in.

I would give up Humphries, Brooks, a first for him if they really wanted to blow it up. IDK if they would go for it though.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #826 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:28 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:That's an interesting idea, but pretty unrealistic.

Also, although they certainly might blow it up, they also might just trade for Cousins or Gortat or the likes if the other team obliges.

Pierce does not have that kind of value in my opinion. Hes way too old and hes a free agent. He will never resign with a team like the Kings or Suns.

The Celtics will get minimal value for Pierce at this stage.

Rockice_24 · Post #827 » by **Rockice_24** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:37 pm

macgyver893 wrote:If we were to maximize our "assets" and trade Humphries and Brooks (maybe a pick too), what would you rather have:

1- Quality starting PF
2- Quality wing/scorer 6th man

With what Tele has been showing us lately, and how Reggie has been playing, I say if they split the minutes there for the rest of the season we would be ok.

We still our 6th man guard off the bench that can be the regular guy night in and night out to score while JJ/DWill/Lopez are on the bench... and even be inserted in a lineup with them once in a while... a la Harden 2012, Ginobli, JR Smith, etc.

Yeah we don't have that 6th man wing, although Brooks has been pretty solid lately. I think we should use Mirza at the SF some when the other team goes big or they have a wing with out a jumper. That way he won't be exposed on D.

I think he needs to see more action and unless we start cutting Hump's minutes I can't see him getting the necessary minutes that he's earning with the crowded PF spot.

I think we can go with a frontcourt of Mirza, Hump/Evans, and Blatche. It's a little slow and only should be used at certain matchups but a few less minutes from Bogans wouldn't hurt. He's really our only backup SF.

To answer your question though, I would rather get the PF (Nene/Millsap) to really round out our starting 5.

N Ireland Nets · Post #828 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:03 pm

Teletovic can't play SF at all. He's a straight forward stocky PF who stretches the floor with good strength to defend the low post.

He has no attributes to actually be successful playing versus SF's other than his quick release.

Mirza will always be a PF. Hasn't the size to play center and doesn't have the quickness to stay in front of a SF.

About possible trades. Outside of a no brainier trade we need to really just hold firm and not move any of our assets because they will gain value next season. Humps contract becomes a huge expiring and a great asset to move next deadline.

vincecarter4pres · Post #829 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:08 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:That's an interesting idea, but pretty unrealistic.

Also, although they certainly might blow it up, they also might just trade for Cousins or Gortat or the likes if the other team obliges.

Pierce does not have that kind of value in my opinion. Hes way too old and hes a free agent. He will never resign with a team like the Kings or Suns.

The Celtics will get minimal value for Pierce at this stage.

No, I wasn't saying they're going to be able to, or try to trade Pierce for Cousins or Gortat, I meant they'd throw every pick and prospect they have at a team like that while eating a bad contract to add that player to their core and not miss a beat when their old guys ride off into the sunset.

Something like Sullinger, Fab Melo, 2 or 3 1sts and sending some salary filler for Cousins and one of the Kings bad contracts.

vincecarter4pres · Post #830 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:09 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:So...question...I was wondering what the Celtics do at this year's trade deadline. They look like they're getting better, but I think it's pretty delusional to think that they can contend this year. At best, they look like a 2nd round exit.

If they decide to blow it up, like they came close to last season, and say we have the opportunity to trade for Pierce, with Humphries, Brooks, and picks...do you do it based on talent alone, even though we have JJ and Wallace? Maybe make JJ the 6th man and start Pierce, or make Wallace the 6th man instead?

Just a thought, because trading for Rudy Gay was thrown around, and we were so close to acquiring Pierce last year anyway, and he's still a really good player, even though he doesn't fill the need for a starting PF.

Pierce is better than JJ, but he doesn't make any sense on this team. I don't think he would be a good fit.

If the Celtics are going to blow it up, we need to get KG. He is an extremely valuable asset because of his toughness and defense even at this age. Our main problem is interior defense, and that is what KG specializes in.

I would give up Humphries, Brooks, a first for him if they really wanted to blow it up. IDK if they would go for it though.

Yeah I'm with this.

vincecarter4pres · Post #831 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:12 pm

N Ireland Nets wrote:Teletovic can't play SF at all. He's a straight forward stocky PF who stretches the floor with good strength to defend the low post.

He has no attributes to actually be successful playing versus SF's other than his quick release.

Mirza will always be a PF. Hasn't the size to play center and doesn't have the quickness to stay in front of a SF.

Actually I think you can get away with him just fine as a center in a small ball lineup, at least in stretches versus other teams' benches.

Not saying all the time or anything, but here and there on a semi-regular basis he can actually excel there for 5 minutes a game or so.

therealbig3 · Post #832 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:00 am

Apparently, Pierce is available for trade now, so it looks like the Celtics are considering blowing it up.

I know it's a pretty out there idea, and it seems like Pierce and JJ are redundant...but I really think it could help this team a lot if JJ was willing to be a Ginobili-like 6th man. Imagine bringing in JJ to give Pierce some rest? That would be a luxury that no other team in the league would have, having two top 6 SGs on the same team. It would definitely solve our backup wing problem.

The hiccups I see with that are our assets not really being enough, JJ not getting on board with being the 6th man, and we might be able to grab a starting PF with our assets that would better suit our needs than Pierce.

Don't get me wrong, Nene has really grown on me and he's my top choice, personally, but if that doesn't work out, I don't think looking at Pierce is a bad idea. The guy can still ball, and he actually becomes a nice trading piece himself at some point.

N Ireland Nets · Post #833 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:58 am

If Celtics were going to blow it up I'd enquire about KG.

Paradise · Post #834 » by **Paradise** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:45 am

Anyone would opposed to JJ Reddick?

deepblueday · Post #835 » by **deepblueday** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:49 am

can we make salaries work in any kind that makes sense? think id rather have calderon if were going that route tho.

therealbig3 · Post #836 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:59 am

BTW, don't get me wrong, I would LOVE KG, would absolutely rather have him than Pierce...in fact, if he's available, he's my top choice, over Nene. It's just that with his no-trade clause, I'm assuming he's unavailable. He would have to specifically request Brooklyn, and Brooklyn only, because I'm sure a team like Memphis would be willing to give up some nicer pieces than we have in order to grab KG and make a push for a championship.

Jersey Generals · Post #837 » by **Jersey Generals** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:04 am

Salaries? The Nets have about 16 million in expendable salary, not including Teletovic and Evans. So any trade that you make needs to be in the 19-20 million range.

vincecarter4pres · Post #838 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:13 am

BTW, I'd still trade Brook for LMA in a heartbeat.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #839 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:16 am

therealbig3 wrote:BTW, don't get me wrong, I would LOVE KG, would absolutely rather have him than Pierce...in fact, if he's available, he's my top choice, over Nene. It's just that with his no-trade clause, I'm assuming he's unavailable. He would have to specifically request Brooklyn, and Brooklyn only, because I'm sure a team like Memphis would be willing to give up some nicer pieces than we have in order to grab KG and make a push for a championship.

I don't buy that KG would have an aversion to coming here. He wants to win. If The FO explains to him that they want to blow it up. he will absolutely want out.

He has a three year contract. Why ride a sinking ship when he can come to a team with a chance to compete?

You're right about Memphis. But they are already set at PF and C. There's no room for him and KG is not gonna play on the bench. I don't see Memphis going for him in a trade.

Honestly, if we get KG I think we are #2 team in the east. His defense has looked good from what I've seen and we don't need anything from him offensively.

Problem is Boston seems to be getting better. Will they really want to blow it up?

In my opinion they should clear up cap room for summer of 2014 and give up on this whole Pierce/Rondo/KG thing. Just build around Rondo. But honestly, who knows?

Post #840 » by **NyCeEvO** » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:25 am

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a Wallace/Brooks/etc deal for Rudy Gay.

Yes, a core of D-Will/JJ/Gay/Lopez is expensive but there's not a more offensively potent combo in the league than that.

Even if 2 out of the 4 are clicking during the game, that's more than enough offense for most teams. That combo is a ridic problem for every team in the league.

Now, on the flip side of the argument, the Wallace that we see right now is the best version of Gerald Wallace that we're going to see.

He's not going to get any more athletic and he's not going to become a better shooter/scorer. If there's any guarantee about Wallace it is that he will only lose athleticism from now on. (Second, that he will continue to get injured due to the intensity with which he plays.)

I'd be more inclined to keep Wallace if his defense was making our team defense way better, but it's not. if we're going to be below average to average offensively, we might as well have a super-potent offense.

On top of that, Gay is 26 and Wallace is 30. At the end of Gay's contract, he'll be 29. At the end of Wallace's contract, he'll be 34.