Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

@MrDollarBills

Just for fun, some radical trade ideas to take this team towards complete win now mode:







Hypothetical depth chart:

Kyrie/Augustin*/Chiozza
Lavine/TJ*/Crawford
KD/Harris/TLC
Gordon/Kurucs/Chandler
Vuc/DJ/Claxton

or

Kyrie/Augustin*/Chiozza
Lavine/Dunn*/Crawford
KD/Harris/TLC
Gordon/Kurucs/Chandler
Vuc/DJ/Claxton

*FA signings (DJ Augustin, Tyler Johnson, Kris Dunn)

That is a really stacked, and deep roster, with an extremely strong starting lineup, while still retaining really solid depth. Offensively, that team is as good as it can realistically get, and Lavine & Aaron Gordon give us an athleticism boost. Vuc is a stretch 5 who can work in the post, mid range, and he can pass well too. This gives us a five out offense with five scoring threats, including four all star caliber scorers.

For Magic, they get out of Vuc's big contract, and Allen provides them a direct replacement for Vuc, while Bamba also gets more of an opportunity to develop there. They also get a very good PG in Dinwiddie, and a name who has long been rumored to be a target for them. Magic fans seem very willing to sell on Vuc, and AG. The Bulls trade is more simple. Bulls get a replacement for (seemingly unhappy) Lavine in Levert, and picks to compensate for value.

I don't see either trade working, I think the Bulls would want LeVert + another prospect for LaVine, and the Magic would have to do a lot of roster work to even make that trade work.

We can package Kurucs as a prospect or Claxton, although I do believe that Levert + 2 FRPs + 1 SRP is fair value. Especially since Lavine is unhappy with the Bulls, and that team is going nowhere. The Magic trade works salary wise, Magic can throw in another player as filler, and have to create two roster spots, which isn't hard at all given their roster.

i like all of it but vucevic. i think he is an empty stats player you dont win with. would rather DJ + a ring chasing vet minimum guy.

the rest i love

[Prokorov]

The Brooklyn Nets will conduct a full-scale head coaching search to identify the best partner for team ownership, the front office, coaching staff and players, sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic.

Jacque Vaughn will receive serious consideration as the incumbent.

Sean Marks will work closely with ownership and his front office in the search.

Jason Kidd, Ime Udoka, Ty Lue and Jeff Van Gundy are serious external candidates.

I am HIGHLY skeptical that Kidd is a candidate.

Either keep Vaughn, who deserves a fair shot at the job, or get us a serious name. Jason Kidd is an absolute hard pass. We already know he's a snake, but go ask Bucks fans what happened to their team the moment they booted him for a stud coach like Coach Bud.

For what the Nets will be next season a coach like Kidd makes sense. His purpose will be to manage the egos and we have a few guys on this team with egos like KD, Kyrie, Dinwiddie, DJ, LeVert.

yup. our coach needs to do 0 coaching.

i hope its not kidd. hall of fame d-bag

[MrDollarBills]

I am HIGHLY skeptical that Kidd is a candidate.

Either keep Vaughn, who deserves a fair shot at the job, or get us a serious name. Jason Kidd is an absolute hard pass. We already know he's a snake, but go ask Bucks fans what happened to their team the moment they booted him for a stud coach like Coach Bud.

For what the Nets will be next season a coach like Kidd makes sense. His purpose will be to manage the egos and we have a few guys on this team with egos like KD, Kyrie, Dinwiddie, DJ, LeVert.

yup. our coach needs to do 0 coaching.

i hope its not kidd. hall of fame d-bag

Vaughn seems like he's a player's coach, but he's not dealing directly with KD and Kyrie.

I just want a head coach that won't try to mutiny against the GM or who doesn't get so drunk up in the Hamptons that he wraps his car around a tree at 3:30 in the morning.

[NetsJets]

For what the Nets will be next season a coach like Kidd makes sense. His purpose will be to manage the egos and we have a few guys on this team with egos like KD, Kyrie, Dinwiddie, DJ, LeVert.

yup. our coach needs to do 0 coaching.

i hope its not kidd. hall of fame d-bag

Vaughn seems like he's a player's coach, but he's not dealing directly with KD and Kyrie.

I just want a head coach that won't try to mutiny against the GM or who doesn't get so drunk up in the Hamptons that he wraps his car around a tree at 3:30 in the morning.

Lol all the Kidd slander. People can change.

[MrDollarBills]

Do you think Houston would be interested in a Dinwiddie for Covington swap?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y25qcyzg

The trade works straight up and it gives them an expiring and an solid backcourt addition, while we get a much needed 3 + D wing that can slide in next to Joe Harris on the perimeter.

[ProspectPark]

Do you think Houston would be interested in a Dinwiddie for Covington swap?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y25qcyzg

The trade works straight up and it gives them an expiring and an solid backcourt addition, while we get a much needed 3 + D wing that can slide in next to Joe Harris on the perimeter.

Daryl Morey wanted RoCo for years. He fits everything they’re trying to do. Plus his contract is very team friendly.

[DarkXaero]

I don't see either trade working, I think the Bulls would want LeVert + another prospect for LaVine, and the Magic would have to do a lot of roster work to even make that trade work.

We can package Kurucs as a prospect or Claxton, although I do believe that Levert + 2 FRPs + 1 SRP is fair value. Especially since Lavine is unhappy with the Bulls, and that team is going nowhere. The Magic trade works salary wise, Magic can throw in another player as filler, and have to create two roster spots, which isn't hard at all given their roster.

i like all of it but vucevic. i think he is an empty stats player you dont win with. would rather DJ + a ring chasing vet minimum guy.

the rest i love

I used to feel that way about Vuc, but I think he has taken big steps to improve over last two seasons. Offensively, he can do everything (low post scoring, mid range, 3pt shooting, and good passing). Defensively, he has improved a lot to the point where he can actually be pretty good (used to be bad). I'm only suggesting him because I think he's a good player who could be available for relatively cheap, due to the contract he's on, and Orlando's situation.

[DarkXaero]

Do you think Houston would be interested in a Dinwiddie for Covington swap?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y25qcyzg

The trade works straight up and it gives them an expiring and an solid backcourt addition, while we get a much needed 3 + D wing that can slide in next to Joe Harris on the perimeter.

I think Dinwiddie is comfortably better than Covington, but Houston will still decline that trade because Covington was/is Morey's wet dream, and he's an integral part of the system they want to play. Now that situation can change a lot season (MDA expected to leave, Morey possibly getting fired), but I still don't think that Dinwiddie fits on that roster at all. They already got two high usage guards, they don't need a third.

[DarkXaero]

Do we really need a third star?

Look at the favorites to win it this year......I'm guessing most people would say The bucks, Raptors,Lakers or Clippers. None of these teams has a third star. Why trade away players that have been with us for years that have proven their value?

If I'm Sean Marks I would try to keep 1-12. We also have to consider the Bubble guys TJ and Cheese. If anything make a move at the deadline.

This is a fair question, to which I would respond, "it depends".

Looking at the favorites, you may not view Eric Bledsoe (behind Giannis and Khris), Fred Van Vleet (behind Lowry and SIakam), Danny Green or Patrick Beverly to be 3rd stars. BUT, from an advanced statistical perspective, all 4 of them are LIGHT YEARS ahead of Caris in terms of winning in the context of a tertiary role. Their efficiency is not dependent on high usage, unlike Caris. In fact, their efficiency improves in off-ball roles, whereas Levert's declines as he sees less of the rock. You need stars who don't need the ball, in order to balance out a system. Also, these guys are all plus-defenders and above-average catch-and-shoot marksmen, two further hits to Caris' long-term fit in Brooklyn.

Ultimately, the market will determine whether it makes sense to trade for a 3rd star. When I say star, I don't mean another 26ppg scorer, we don't need scoring. We need long, athletic, cerebral, low-usage 3&D types. Kyrie has the 1 locked up; Joe is a 2 or a 3, depending on who else is on the wing. Kevin is our 4, and whomever of DJ or JA is left in town is our 5. With one starting wing spot open, I would love to see us target Otto Porter, Victor Oladipo, Josh Richardson and/or Robert Covington. Any of those 4 would bring more of what we need than CLV, as much as I love him and his development. If none of them are available, I'll pass on Beal, Lavine, Booker, McCollum and others. Those guys might be out of our price range, anyway.

You guys make good points but I do want to remind you all that Kyrie & KD are at this point, unreliable healthwise. For Kyrie, you can expect him to miss games every season (hopefully not playoffs). For KD, he's coming off the worst injury in sports, and while there's reason to be optimistic, I think it's unfair to expect him to be (arguably) the best player in the league that he was pre-injury. That's why a potential third star acts as insurance, and takes some responsibility off KD & Kyrie. So I think from that perspective, it can be potentially crucial to have that edge. And if we're fully healthy, it's worth it as long as we're still a better team overall. If we're trading assets for a third star, I have full faith in Marks to retain a good deep roster, as he has for the past couple seasons. We're in a fortunate situation where we have enough to make a big or semi-big trade, while still retaining good depth.

Ideally, yes, low usage 3&D types would be great, but there aren't many great ones in the league, and the wide majority of them are already on good teams. Just look at the bidding war for RoCo last deadline, it shows you how overvalued those players can be. I think Jrue is realistically the only high level 3&D type guy available for us to get. Even then, Jrue isn't an amazing off ball player or anything but he certainly fits and could improve us a lot. I mentioned that in this thread's OP a while back, and I'm not opposed to that move at all.

[DarkXaero]

The Brooklyn Nets will conduct a full-scale head coaching search to identify the best partner for team ownership, the front office, coaching staff and players, sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic.

Jacque Vaughn will receive serious consideration as the incumbent.

Sean Marks will work closely with ownership and his front office in the search.

Jason Kidd, Ime Udoka, Ty Lue and Jeff Van Gundy are serious external candidates.

I am HIGHLY skeptical that Kidd is a candidate.

Either keep Vaughn, who deserves a fair shot at the job, or get us a serious name. Jason Kidd is an absolute hard pass. We already know he's a snake, but go ask Bucks fans what happened to their team the moment they booted him for a stud coach like Coach Bud.

I agree with this. Kidd should not be considered at all. It's not even how things ended with him here, it's what I saw in Milwaukee.

"Other candidates are expected to enter the pool as job statuses around the league change. "

I thought this was the most overlooked part in that article. It's a good sign, and it tells me that the list will expand a lot more than the names mentioned in the article. I'm hoping that we give MDA serious consideration.

[TheNetsFan]

Do you think Houston would be interested in a Dinwiddie for Covington swap?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y25qcyzg

The trade works straight up and it gives them an expiring and an solid backcourt addition, while we get a much needed 3 + D wing that can slide in next to Joe Harris on the perimeter.

Not a chance. Where does Dinwiddie fit with Harden & Westbrook there?

[MrDollarBills]

Do you think Houston would be interested in a Dinwiddie for Covington swap?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y25qcyzg

The trade works straight up and it gives them an expiring and an solid backcourt addition, while we get a much needed 3 + D wing that can slide in next to Joe Harris on the perimeter.

Not a chance. Where does Dinwiddie fit with Harden & Westbrook there?

6th man?

[gambakupu]

Do you think Houston would be interested in a Dinwiddie for Covington swap?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y25qcyzg

The trade works straight up and it gives them an expiring and an solid backcourt addition, while we get a much needed 3 + D wing that can slide in next to Joe Harris on the perimeter.

Not a chance. Where does Dinwiddie fit with Harden & Westbrook there?

6th man?

Eric Gordon

[MrDollarBills]

Not a chance. Where does Dinwiddie fit with Harden & Westbrook there?

6th man?

Eric Gordon

damn i forgot about him lol

[Paradise]

NETS INTERESTED IN SIXERS ASSISTANT, IME UDOKA.

Several external candidates have emerged for the job, according to league sources: Los Angeles Lakers assistant Jason Kidd, Philadelphia 76ers assistant Ime Udoka, LA Clippers assistant Ty Lue and former Rockets and Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy.

Other candidates are expected to enter the pool as job statuses around the league change. For the Nets, continuing to build their culture based on relationships and pursuing sustainable success with championship standards have been prioritized, and will be at the forefront of this head coaching search as a potential fit is considered with everyone involved.

This man married Nia Long while assistant coaching the Spurs during the Kawhi/Duncan run. He knows a thing or two about championships.

Did I mention he’s married to Nia Long?

[DarkXaero]

With Sixers officially locked as 6th seed, we'll have at least the 19th pick (could move up to 18th) in this year's draft, which would be Marks' highest pick to date yet. Great trade in hindsight as it results in a surprisingly decent asset. In another plus, Celtics and Sixers get to play each other in the first round, so one of our hyped division rivals are going to be a 1st round exit this year. Win win.

[ecuhus1981]

We only have 15 roster spots. Here's how I see next season's roster shaking out. First, the starters:

1. Kevin Durant
2. Kyrie Irving
3. Caris Levert
4. Joe Harris (signs 3yr, $51mil)
5. Jarrett Allen (signs 4yr, $55mil)

Next, Marks breaks up the FoK bandwagon. I think we'll decline the team option for Temple. Great leader, he's come up big for us, but I don't love the odds of him beating Father Time. We have younger, cheaper options at his position, and spots will come at a premium. I also see us packaging Jordan, Prince and the PHI1st into one impact player. Finally, our 2nd round pick will probably be an Eurostash or a D League developmental guy. The rest of the roster could look like this:

6. Spencer Dinwiddie
7. Otto Porter (traded for DJ/TP/PHI1st)
8. Serge Ibaka (taxpayer MLE, 2yrs $11mil)
9. Tyler Johnson (BAE, 2yrs $8mil)
10. Allonzo Trier (vets min)
11. Rodions Kurucs
12. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
13. Nicolas Claxton
14. Dzanan Musa
15. One of Chiozza or Martin (other stays in G League)

Finally, for our next head coach I believe we will hire Gregg Popovich. San Antonio will trade him to us for a protected future 1st (he's under contract until 2022), and we will retain Jacque Vaughn as lead assistant coach and head coach in waiting after Pop's retirement.

[MrDollarBills]

We only have 15 roster spots. Here's how I see next season's roster shaking out. First, the starters:

1. Kevin Durant
2. Kyrie Irving
3. Caris Levert
4. Joe Harris (signs 3yr, $51mil)
5. Jarrett Allen (signs 4yr, $55mil)

Next, Marks breaks up the FoK bandwagon. I think we'll decline the team option for Temple. Great leader, he's come up big for us, but I don't love the odds of him beating Father Time. We have younger, cheaper options at his position, and spots will come at a premium. I also see us packaging Jordan, Prince and the PHI1st into one impact player. Finally, our 2nd round pick will probably be an Eurostash or a D League developmental guy. The rest of the roster could look like this:

6. Spencer Dinwiddie
7. Otto Porter (traded for DJ/TP/PHI1st)
8. Serge Ibaka (taxpayer MLE, 2yrs $11mil)
9. Tyler Johnson (BAE, 2yrs $8mil)
10. Allonzo Trier (vets min)
11. Rodions Kurucs
12. Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
13. Nicolas Claxton
14. Dzanan Musa
15. One of Chiozza or Martin (other stays in G League)

Finally, for our next head coach I believe we will hire Gregg Popovich. San Antonio will trade him to us for a protected future 1st (he's under contract until 2022), and we will retain Jacque Vaughn as lead assistant coach and head coach in waiting after Pop's retirement.

I don't see anyone taking DJ's contract nor do I think Marks will trade him.

[drchaos]

I don't see anyone taking DJ's contract nor do I think Marks will trade him.

I could see us trading Prince and DJ at next year's trade deadline.

What we should do this summer is trade the guys on the roster bubble for minor upgrades at the fringe of our roster.

All of our more valuable assets will increase in value when KD and Kyrie make them look good next year.

[vincecarter4pres]

The two names I keep forgetting to mention, who are both probably long shots are:

Joel Embiid

Jerami Grant

I could see the very real prospect that the Sixers look to go full Simmons and distance themselves from Embiid's long term health and attitude trajectory and Brooklyn would be foolish not to pounce if you can land him for a package similar to what is predicted we'd give up for a guy like Beal.

Grant has a player option in the offseason. He's extremely important to Denver and their success, but he's probably going to want a big payday and will certainly garner that attention on the open market, even with all the salary cap question marks. He's not a guy who's going to get max, but he'll certainly get max allowable years at around $20-25 mill a year on average, imho.

Can we swoop in and snag him on a S&T for Prince, Rodi, a 1st round pick and one of Dinwiddie or LeVert?