2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[TinmanZBoy]

I wouldn't mind THJ at Ingles money...

THJ is so not the type of players that Kenny wants... no defense, no IQ on offense, chucking away the team chemistry...

[playteamball]

If Charlotte doesn't want to pay Tax, Marvin Williams + Lamb + Kaminsky for Hamilton + Harris is something to look at.

This would be awesome. All 3 of those guys can play and contribute immediately.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Carroll for 2018 first and one of their young players.

Worth it for both sides.

We need more assets. They are way over the luxury tax.

And we are maybe the only team willing to take him on.

[624]

Lowry will re-sign with Toronto. 3/100 wow. Good for us maybe?

[Mkdaman1818]

Lowry will re-sign with Toronto. 3/100 wow. Good for us maybe?

Yup - we should look to get Carroll, they have a ton tied up in derozan, Lowry, and Ibaka now wow

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[DeRoma]

Not what I mean. Pretty sure Lin took less money to come here because he was promised a starting role.

and he was given a starting role last year. its not somekind of charity lifetime position. we cant be held hostage because Lin wants to start. if we can add young talent we do it. this teams future is more important then 2 or so years of Lin being a starter

Lin also brings leadership that focuses on having a very family oriented type of team. Which is something that's huge for chemistry and culture on what Marks want.

and he can be a leader playing 25+ minutes of the bench. and if he really buys into family they he wouldnt be so selfish and accept a bench role if it was whats best for the teams future

KCP does not bring that to the table. We do need KCP as a player when Lin is older. But are you really willing to pay 20 mill a year for a player that will come off the bench for the first 2 years? Marks can't suddenly bench Lin. That will destroy the Morale of the team when Lin is the most respected player in our team. KCP is a player in need but not in dire. If we can't land Porter, I think we are better off looking for other opportunities that will come in the future. But not castrait our mobility for a player that will come in the bench thats already getting paid big money. Even when that contract ends that will be so impossible to flip. Worse than Crabbe IMO.

benching Lin doesnt effect the teams morale unless lin all of a sudden becomes some selfish guy who doesnt care about his teammates or the fans. he will accept a bench role. and if we give KCP the max, there is 0 chance he sits on the bench. it would be lin, levert, or russell. probably lin or levert early on and then evnetually lin

Man you are so inconsistent... Just a month ago you were one of the advocate who doesn't want anything to do with KCP. Now you are trying to push for this idea? Why? He is definitely a need but not desperately. We also need a stretch 4, a prototypical swingman, and other assets. Yet, you are looking for the Nets to get tied up for a priority that's not even on the top of the list? Is it really just all about power with you? Like seriously all I want to do is talk about Nets basketball... I just feel like everytime I read your posts, It's literally all over the place.

[steady]

Lowry will re-sign with Toronto. 3/100 wow. Good for us maybe?

The combined total of Ibaks/Lowry for about 56 m is just a few million above what many expected. It puts them in luxury tax, but at a level they can probably handle if Patterson Is let go - - -but at some point they are going to want to get rid of one of Carroll, Valencunias and Joseph. Just so they have some flexibility to make future moves to improve

[Curns13]

Not what I mean. Pretty sure Lin took less money to come here because he was promised a starting role.

and he was given a starting role last year. its not somekind of charity lifetime position. we cant be held hostage because Lin wants to start. if we can add young talent we do it. this teams future is more important then 2 or so years of Lin being a starter

Lin also brings leadership that focuses on having a very family oriented type of team. Which is something that's huge for chemistry and culture on what Marks want.

and he can be a leader playing 25+ minutes of the bench. and if he really buys into family they he wouldnt be so selfish and accept a bench role if it was whats best for the teams future

KCP does not bring that to the table. We do need KCP as a player when Lin is older. But are you really willing to pay 20 mill a year for a player that will come off the bench for the first 2 years? Marks can't suddenly bench Lin. That will destroy the Morale of the team when Lin is the most respected player in our team. KCP is a player in need but not in dire. If we can't land Porter, I think we are better off looking for other opportunities that will come in the future. But not castrait our mobility for a player that will come in the bench thats already getting paid big money. Even when that contract ends that will be so impossible to flip. Worse than Crabbe IMO.

benching Lin doesnt effect the teams morale unless lin all of a sudden becomes some selfish guy who doesnt care about his teammates or the fans. he will accept a bench role. and if we give KCP the max, there is 0 chance he sits on the bench. it would be lin, levert, or russell. probably lin or levert early on and then evnetually lin

Man you are so inconsistent... Just a month ago you were one of the advocate who doesn't want anything to do with KCP. Now you are trying to push for this idea? Why? He is definitely a need but not desperately. We also need a stretch 4, a prototypical swingman, and other assets. Yet, you are looking for the Nets to get tied up for a priority that's not even on the top of the list? Is it really just all about power with you? Like seriously all I want to do is talk about Nets basketball... I just feel like everytime I read your posts, It's literally all over the place.

I'm sure Prok will be quick to defend himself, but if you've read these boards at all you would know he is a long way from pushing that we sign KCP.

[DeRoma]

and he was given a starting role last year. its not somekind of charity lifetime position. we cant be held hostage because Lin wants to start. if we can add young talent we do it. this teams future is more important then 2 or so years of Lin being a starter


and he can be a leader playing 25+ minutes of the bench. and if he really buys into family they he wouldnt be so selfish and accept a bench role if it was whats best for the teams future



benching Lin doesnt effect the teams morale unless lin all of a sudden becomes some selfish guy who doesnt care about his teammates or the fans. he will accept a bench role. and if we give KCP the max, there is 0 chance he sits on the bench. it would be lin, levert, or russell. probably lin or levert early on and then evnetually lin

Man you are so inconsistent... Just a month ago you were one of the advocate who doesn't want anything to do with KCP. Now you are trying to push for this idea? Why? He is definitely a need but not desperately. We also need a stretch 4, a prototypical swingman, and other assets. Yet, you are looking for the Nets to get tied up for a priority that's not even on the top of the list? Is it really just all about power with you? Like seriously all I want to do is talk about Nets basketball... I just feel like everytime I read your posts, It's literally all over the place.

I'm sure Prok will be quick to defend himself, but if you've read these boards at all you would know he is a long way from pushing that we sign KCP.

I read these boards and I've read many of his post that he does not want anything to do with KCP. I was find with KCP at first but now that we have D-Lo and have a pretty descent backcourt. The priority of getting him is not necessary for this season. There many two way players out there every year that can fall for us easily. There is no need to take on a max contract at the at his role. There are plenty of other ways to use our money.

But from Proks perspectives IMO he believes that since we have D-Lo. It's time to surround a team around him that can stick for the future. It makes sense at a certain degree. However, there are other ways to do that and I don't think KCP is sure bet of an answer to put around D-Lo.

IMO If we can't get Otto, then I think we should only pursue salary dumps in order to obtain more assets. Until we get our picks back and get rid of the all the dead salary we have. There are other players as well that we can get here that will come cheaper than a 20 mill contract.

[624]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

Actually he still has to accept Sac. Maybe he would accept ours instead

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[Ror1997]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

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Theyes just offered it. Nets have probably offered one two. He hasn't signed anything.

[Kaiser30]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

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Doesn't mean he has accepted their offer sheet and couldn't prefer a max offer sheet with the Nets.

Nevertheless, I don't really want to chase Porter when he's 99.9 % getting matched.

[DeRoma]

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I want this guy.... This guy can play

[steady]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

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Doesn't mean he has accepted their offer sheet and couldn't prefer a max offer sheet with the Nets.

Nevertheless, I don't really want to chase Porter when he's 99.9 % getting matched.

And what would be the point of offering the sheet now when the 48 hr clock won't start running until 7/6 anyway. .??

Let Sac do this and tie up a big chunk of their cap. Space - it only. Akers Nets remaining cap space that much more valuable

[Prokorov]

Man you are so inconsistent... Just a month ago you were one of the advocate who doesn't want anything to do with KCP. Now you are trying to push for this idea? Why? He is definitely a need but not desperately. We also need a stretch 4, a prototypical swingman, and other assets. Yet, you are looking for the Nets to get tied up for a priority that's not even on the top of the list? Is it really just all about power with you? Like seriously all I want to do is talk about Nets basketball... I just feel like everytime I read your posts, It's literally all over the place.

What in the world are you talking about? I 100% do NOT want KCP. its basically all ive said the last 8 pages of this thread, even asking people to convince my why its a good idea since im so down on the move.

My point wasnt we should bring in KCP... my point was its absurd to think Lin not starting would even be a considerationa s to why we wouldnt bring in KCP.

my other point was its absurd to think that KCP would sit on the bench if we gave him a max contract.

Lin doesnt factor into these decisions at all.

[Prokorov]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

Actually he still has to accept Sac. Maybe he would accept ours instead

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Yea it means nothing until porter signs the offer sheet. If he believes the wizards will match then he will sign it since it doesnt matter what team gives him the offer sheet. if he doesnt think the wiz will match he may wait for other offer sheets.

i really hope he signs it. i really think porter/KCP are bad ideas.

id rather get on the phone with the raps about carroll.

[DeRoma]

Man you are so inconsistent... Just a month ago you were one of the advocate who doesn't want anything to do with KCP. Now you are trying to push for this idea? Why? He is definitely a need but not desperately. We also need a stretch 4, a prototypical swingman, and other assets. Yet, you are looking for the Nets to get tied up for a priority that's not even on the top of the list? Is it really just all about power with you? Like seriously all I want to do is talk about Nets basketball... I just feel like everytime I read your posts, It's literally all over the place.

What in the world are you talking about? I 100% do NOT want KCP. its basically all ive said the last 8 pages of this thread, even asking people to convince my why its a good idea since im so down on the move.

My point wasnt we should bring in KCP... my point was its absurd to think Lin not starting would even be a considerationa s to why we wouldnt bring in KCP.

my other point was its absurd to think that KCP would sit on the bench if we gave him a max contract.

Lin doesnt factor into these decisions at all.

Ok, all i'm saying is I don't anything to do with KCP and that contract. We can spend it elsewhere and improve our team dramatically.

Lin has to factor into getting as big of a role as D-lo because the whole point of this coming season has to be accumulating as much wins as possible to see how much we need to make the playoffs. Even Marks said it, there is no reason to lose games. Lin getting as big of a role as D-Lo will definitely benefit this team greatly.

Before you call me a Lin fan I'm not. I just think he is capable of making our line up much better.

[DeRoma]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

Actually he still has to accept Sac. Maybe he would accept ours instead

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Yea it means nothing until porter signs the offer sheet. If he believes the wizards will match then he will sign it since it doesnt matter what team gives him the offer sheet. if he doesnt think the wiz will match he may wait for other offer sheets.

i really hope he signs it. i really think porter/KCP are bad ideas.

id rather get on the phone with the raps about carroll.

I'd agree with you on that. Carroll plus assets is a must.. However, not BEBE...

[Prokorov]

Man you are so inconsistent... Just a month ago you were one of the advocate who doesn't want anything to do with KCP. Now you are trying to push for this idea? Why? He is definitely a need but not desperately. We also need a stretch 4, a prototypical swingman, and other assets. Yet, you are looking for the Nets to get tied up for a priority that's not even on the top of the list? Is it really just all about power with you? Like seriously all I want to do is talk about Nets basketball... I just feel like everytime I read your posts, It's literally all over the place.

I'm sure Prok will be quick to defend himself, but if you've read these boards at all you would know he is a long way from pushing that we sign KCP.

I read these boards and I've read many of his post that he does not want anything to do with KCP. I was find with KCP at first but now that we have D-Lo and have a pretty descent backcourt. The priority of getting him is not necessary for this season. There many two way players out there every year that can fall for us easily. There is no need to take on a max contract at the at his role. There are plenty of other ways to use our money.

But from Proks perspectives IMO he believes that since we have D-Lo. It's time to surround a team around him that can stick for the future. It makes sense at a certain degree. However, there are other ways to do that and I don't think KCP is sure bet of an answer to put around D-Lo.

IMO If we can't get Otto, then I think we should only pursue salary dumps in order to obtain more assets. Until we get our picks back and get rid of the all the dead salary we have. There are other players as well that we can get here that will come cheaper than a 20 mill contract.

i agree. we need more young talent. we need a G/F of the future to go between levert and RHJ. but i dont want to may max dollars to role guys like porter or KCP. id rather make a trade like the one we made for russell and get a guy still on his rookie deal. roll the cap over.

the last thing i want to do with our 30 million is:

-give a max deal to a role guy
-give out 2 or 3 contracts in the 12-14 million range to bench/low level role guys.

give me high salary to good player or low salary to reclamation projects or mentoring veterans. or just roll it over.

[Prokorov]

Sacramento offered the Porter the max. We're out of that sweepstakes. Probably good for us

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Doesn't mean he has accepted their offer sheet and couldn't prefer a max offer sheet with the Nets.

Nevertheless, I don't really want to chase Porter when he's 99.9 % getting matched.

And what would be the point of offering the sheet now when the 48 hr clock won't start running until 7/6 anyway. .??

Let Sac do this and tie up a big chunk of their cap. Space - it only. Akers Nets remaining cap space that much more valuable

Because they probably wanted to beat the nets to an offer sheet. once porter signs an offer sheet he is off the market.

"tying up cap space" i dont think is really an issue. there really arent many/any key free agents left and those guys probably wont go until the RFA market settles anyway. which is why you havent heard any offers linked to patterson, olynk, ilyasova, mirotic. those guys are plan B for teams th at miss on RFAs or lose their own RFAs