All Things "Brooklyn Nets" Thread

AntwanBoldin · Post #901 » by **AntwanBoldin** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 5:29 am

I like how there's no "what if his X was healthy" stories with Wallace. He's just not talanted and deal with it.

Ronito · Post #902 » by **Ronito** » Sat Mar 9, 2013 7:19 am

DWill shooting 48%/53%/90% since the break with a 64% TS (if I did that part right).

therealbig3 · Post #903 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:06 am

If you compare D-Will's numbers to his combined numbers from 08-10, there's actually not a huge difference. For all the talk of his decline, his production has been pretty consistent. The differences are that his assists and FG% are way down...but his 3pt shooting and his FT shooting are a lot better. Overall his TS% of 56.0% is just slightly worse than his 58.1% TS from 08-10. And a huge reason why his assists are down is because the roster isn't built around his strengths (no PnR big man, no PnP big man, not too many shooters outside of Joe Johnson, who needs the ball almost as much as D-Will). We also play at an extremely slow pace, which deflates numbers in general, and the heavy isolation offense is every PG's nightmare.

After pace-adjusting his numbers from 08-10 and comparing to his current season (adjusted to per 75 possessions):

08: 19.5 ppg, 10.9 apg, 3.5 TOpg, 59.5% TS (+5.5%)
09: 20.6 ppg, 11.4 apg, 3.6 TOpg, 57.3% TS (+2.9%)
10: 19.5 ppg, 11.0 apg, 3.4 TOpg, 57.4% TS (+3.1%)

13: 19.5 ppg, 8.4 apg, 3.4 TOpg, 56.0% TS (+2.7%)

I'm not going to try and say he's been the same guy, he clearly hasn't been (although I do think he's been as good as he's ever been since the ASB). But his decline has been greatly exaggerated, imo. Most of the people bashing him and pointing to his decline in production don't understand or don't want to acknowledge the concepts of pace and efficiency, as well as how a bad offensive system can hold back a PG.

EDIT: LOL, accidentally And-1'd my own post.

enetric · Post #904 » by **enetric** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:42 am

therealbig3 wrote:If you compare D-Will's numbers to his combined numbers from 08-10, there's actually not a huge difference. For all the talk of his decline, his production has been pretty consistent. The differences are that his assists and FG% are way down...but his 3pt shooting and his FT shooting are a lot better. Overall his TS% of 56.0% is just slightly worse than his 58.1% TS from 08-10. And a huge reason why his assists are down is because the roster isn't built around his strengths (no PnR big man, no PnP big man, not too many shooters outside of Joe Johnson, who needs the ball almost as much as D-Will). We also play at an extremely slow pace, which deflates numbers in general, and the heavy isolation offense is every PG's nightmare.

After pace-adjusting his numbers from 08-10 and comparing to his current season (adjusted to per 75 possessions):

08: 19.5 ppg, 10.9 apg, 3.5 TOpg, 59.5% TS (+5.5%)
09: 20.6 ppg, 11.4 apg, 3.6 TOpg, 57.3% TS (+2.9%)
10: 19.5 ppg, 11.0 apg, 3.4 TOpg, 57.4% TS (+3.1%)

13: 19.5 ppg, 8.4 apg, 3.4 TOpg, 56.0% TS (+2.7%)

I'm not going to try and say he's been the same guy, he clearly hasn't been (although I do think he's been as good as he's ever been since the ASB). But his decline has been greatly exaggerated, imo. Most of the people bashing him and pointing to his decline in production don't understand or don't want to acknowledge the concepts of pace and efficiency, as well as how a bad offensive system can hold back a PG.

EDIT: LOL, accidentally And-1'd my own post.

You can attribute pace to him. When a PG has his mojo and he is imposing his will on the game...everyone else stands taller and brings it harder. That is what hasnt been there for much of this year. That swagger. That feeling from everyone that when you are in a rut...its OK...we have so and so on our team. That guy for us is expected to be Deron. And if he is able to impose his will...his imprint on the game...it will raise the play of everyone around him. He will command more attention. That will create easier looks for lesser players around him. Everything becomes easier when you have a true superstar.

And that doesnt mean it always has to be about PPG. Kidd was a superstar. His will was imposed on almost every play. Everyone fed off of that. The energy issues, the lack of intensity, the lazy stretched of D...you can look at Deron and say...this is on you to set the tone.

I think things are getting better. It all comes down to him.

therealbig3 · Post #905 » by **therealbig3** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:05 am

So what kind of money do we have to spend in FA? Do we still only have the vet min.? Because I'm looking at potential free agents for next year:

Devin Harris
Anthony Morrow
Kyle Korver
Chauncey Billups
Mike Dunleavy
Daequan Cook
Stephen Jackson

I'm obviously looking at knockdown shooters, and maybe a backup PG for next year, since Watson is most likely leaving.

Would we have a chance at signing any of those guys? I'd love to bring back Morrow, but Korver would be better. Billups is probably staying with the Clippers, since he would come off the bench here. Harris would be a great backup PG, he's basically just as good as Watson. Dunleavy and Cook are great shooters. Stephen Jackson is a stretch, and he'll probably stay with the Spurs imo, but he's a good defender and an ok shooter (IDK what's up with him this year though).

If we only have the vet min. to spend again, then I don't think any of these guys are possible, except for maybe Cook.

vincecarter4pres · Post #906 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:10 am

We would also have the Taxpayer's MLE. The same deal Mirza was given, it will go up or down based on the cap and league revenue, so it's something like 3 years and $10 million total for this upcoming offseason.

therealbig3 · Post #907 » by **therealbig3** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:16 am

Oh well that makes things more workable. Harris or Korver should definitely be possible for the taxpayer MLE, maybe even Billups actually, but it's hard to see him leave a great situation with the Clippers, and it's hard to see the Clippers willing to part with him.

Maybe someone like Elton Brand becomes a possibility as well?

N Ireland Nets · Post #908 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:41 pm

I'd be targeting Kirilenko with our tax payers MLE.

Then I'd be on the phone to Fenerbache to try and reduce Bogdanovic's buyout so he can accept a lesser deal with us.

Then that's your shooter covered who is more than just a shooter if that makes sense.

Draft using our 2013 1st, buy a late 1st or 2nd round picks & either move up to select a player you really like, ring around to see what's available for Brooks & those picks and move forward.

Williams / Watson / Taylor
Johnson / Bogdanovic
Kirilenko / Toko / Saric
Blatche / Teletovic / Hump / Evans
Lopez / Nogueira

Then just add vet mins like Bogans. In that roster above we drafted Saric with our 1st & bought another late 1st early 2nd for Lucas Nogueira. We still would have Hump & future picks to flip at the deadline or take on a bad contract for a good 2014 1st in a stacked class.

That's what I want to Brooklyn to do, it would then give us more youth, more talent and assets while we wait for another star to want out of their franchise.

PetroNet · Post #909 » by **PetroNet** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:11 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:We would also have the Taxpayer's MLE. The same deal Mirza was given, it will go up or down based on the cap and league revenue, so it's something like 3 years and $10 million total for this upcoming offseason.

would jackson or morrow or korver be possible for the tax payers MLE>

i know morrow expressed wanting to come back

Post #910 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:06 am

Guys like Korver would be huge for the second unit. No more Blatche ISOs smh...

therealbig3 · Post #911 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:03 am

I really can't stand Gerald Wallace, especially when everyone in the media gushes about how unselfish and how hard-working and how tough he is, when he's just been dogging it and has been quite possibly the most cancerous element in the locker room this year, which is strange for a team that has Blatche on it. Constantly calling the team out as he just goes through the motions and stinks up the joint. And you don't think PJ knew that Wallace was on the bench, and could be used as a PF? Wallace probably threw a hissy fit for being taken out and was obviously upset after the game as well.

On and off the court, Wallace has been a huge negative, but the only criticism you ever hear of him by the media are little quips about his contract. He's been getting such a huge pass, it's sickening.

Post #912 » by **NyCeEvO** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:48 pm

Well, maybe other GMs feel the same about him and will trade for him lol.

NetsFanFromNJ · Post #913 » by **NetsFanFromNJ** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:21 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I really can't stand Gerald Wallace, especially when everyone in the media gushes about how unselfish and how hard-working and how tough he is, when he's just been dogging it and has been quite possibly the most cancerous element in the locker room this year, which is strange for a team that has Blatche on it. Constantly calling the team out as he just goes through the motions and stinks up the joint. And you don't think PJ knew that Wallace was on the bench, and could be used as a PF? Wallace probably threw a hissy fit for being taken out and was obviously upset after the game as well.

On and off the court, Wallace has been a huge negative, but the only criticism you ever hear of him by the media are little quips about his contract. He's been getting such a huge pass, it's sickening.

PJ is not on good terms with a lot of the players, Wallace included. PJ didn't put this roster together. The man who fired him, Billy King, did.

therealbig3 · Post #914 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:00 am

BTW, Ryan Ruocco asked PJ what we've been wanting all the beat writers to ask for a while now. Here's the link:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=9056570

They talk about Deron, JJ, and the division race, but Ruocco asks him specifically about Mirza Teletovic and Reggie Evans during the interview, and PJ gives some really weaksauce answers.

Ruocco brings up Mirza around the 5:30 mark, and then asks him about Reggie around the 11:30 mark.

vincecarter4pres · Post #915 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:02 am

Jesus Christ, he's talking about Stackhouse has to be worked back in and will be worked back in...

vincecarter4pres · Post #916 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:08 am

What a **** ing troll, going on about Evans, gushing over him and saying that it's fine and they've been great with him starting and playing big minutes and that he's a big reason they've been successful.

therealbig3 · Post #917 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:04 am

I am a little disappointed that Ruocco didn't ask the obvious follow-up question when PJ said that it's very rare for a team to play 5 great offensive options at once: well, it's also very rare for a team to play with more than 1 offensive liability at once, and with the way Gerald Wallace has struggled, it seems the Nets hit major offensive slumps when Wallace and Evans play together, because the Nets are basically playing 3 on 5 on offense, with defenses doubling off Wallace and Evans to help on Deron, JJ, and Lopez. Have you thought about only playing one of them at a time?

But, he actually showed more balls than any of the beat writers, and I've actually heard him criticize PJ playing Evans so much before this show as well, so he's not a blind apologist like the beat writers either. Props to him.

Paradise · Post #918 » by **Paradise** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:15 am

Ryan has emerged to be my favorite announcer behind Ian Eagle. The Nets/YES needs to re-sign him long term because he certainly has a good appeal to him that isn't found alot today. He didn't ask the questions straightforward with any agenda other than answering the questions that is obvious to the naked eye.

PJ is beyond a joke at this point. There is literally no person that has a job in the NBA that can't say everything is all good with Evans in the starting lineup when you clearly see game by game he either does something stupid after a rebound like tries to bring it up and travel or continuously get 3 second violations.

His reasons for keeping him are because he rebounds despite the fact, it's been already established his rebounding rates are quite flawed.

PJ is still suck in the 90s and 2007. It's 2013. Grabbing 20 rebounds doesn't make you a worthy starter if you are a liability on every other end of the floor.

It will be quite hilarious and painful watching the Clippers, Nuggets and Mavs exploit Reggie by denying Joe, Deron or Brook off dribble handoffs once they all see the film on us and how he is the biggest weakness in the starting 5.

NetsFanFromNJ · Post #919 » by **NetsFanFromNJ** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:54 pm

I love Ryan as a commentator, too. I also listen to him on the radio all the time.

Antti22 · Post #920 » by **Antti22** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:01 am

Pen Island wrote:
Antti22 wrote:How much should i plan to spend to get decent seats? Around 150-200 $ per seat would be enough? Decent is ofcourse subjective, but still.

Edit: Where can I buy ticket plans?

Playoffs? Depends on the matchup. For a Knicks game last row will be $200 a seat. Pacers? Maybe $50-75 for last row. There's not really a "bad" seat in the house but if you want a great seat for the playoffs, depending on matchup, premium matchup will likely be $400 a seat for a "great seat" while non-premium (talking Pacers/Hawks) will be around $250.

Guessing based on how the market has played out for premier game (Knicks, Celtics).

Partial plans are available on Nets website. I recommend calling a salesman for the Nets. They'll know a lot more than I do. But Partial will get you playoff priority (right behind STH).

I post-poned my trip till November, because I couldnt get any good last minute tickets and offers for May and also I was a bit afraid, that as it is the first time for Brooklyn Nets to be in the playoffs, it might be a bit difficult and expensive for me to get decent tickets. A bit sad I cant be part of it live, but I will be enjoying it all from LP.
So now a new question, when do they reveal the new season schedule? so I can plan my stay in NY. Already have my plane tickets bought and dates set

. Hoping to catch 2-3 games during my 9 day stay in NYC.