2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[enetric]

Thorn does want Johnson, but I'm sure he'd trade back a few picks to get him, rather than taking him with the 3rd. Even if the asset gained in the trade is small, like an extra 2nd rounder, it's better than reaching, I think.

I'm starting to think thats not going to happen. To me, trading down is best case scenario but from Thorn interviews and other news it doesn't sound like the Nets are looking into that as an option at all. If we get offered a good i'm sure Thorn will listen, but its not something the team is pursuing.

Now with Minny being really high on Wes it makes trading down even more unlikely. Not only are they high on him, it makes no sense for them to trade up 1 pick for a big guy they have no interest in. If Turner falls its a different story. But right now i think we're more likely to draft Wes with the 3rd pick then to trade down to draft him.

I had Minny taking Wes all along...so the draft board changes for us if someone wants Cousins was my point. You trade up for Turner or Cousins if you think you cant get him later. And Cousins has to wow people down the stretch here for him to move up. Clearly the guy who scrwed himslef the worst in Chicago...most to prove.

[enetric]

Funny that you mention Monroe because I have been looking at him alot lately and am intrigued by his all around skills for someone his size. It's quite attractive and he's actually growing on me as the days go by.

On another note, draftexpress recently wrote it's either favor or Wesley as the third pick for the Nets. Here's the link http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16096905622

I dont buy into Wes being a legit target for us just yet. We'll see what happens. Are they trying to entice Minny into a deal? Swap picks...get Rubio? Or move our Devin in that deal as well and get cap space? End up with Rubio, more cap space and Minny's pick? if they are ready to bail on Rubio....Devin is a great save face move for them and if they can get a player they covet and move up in the draft...THEN Minny as a trade partner makes sense. So...make Minny think you would take their guy is what I think is happening. Again, lets see how guys do in their workouts.

[demens]

Meanwhile, there are some rumblings about Orton not impressing anyone in his work outs, being injured and planning to get surgery after the draft. I personally thought it was a joke that a player averaging 3/3 declared for the draft, and not only that was considering a lottery pick. I haven't seen any mock that have him sliding all the way to 27, but he is falling, and falling hard.

So, if he were to fall all the way to 27, would anyone want to take a chance? I'm not sure i would.

[SpeedyG]

^^I understand the point you're trying to make, but comparing Sean williams and DeMarcus Cousins has all the relevance of comparing Jason Kidd to Jordan Farmar as prospects...

Yup. I think people are not seeing the type of prospect Cousins is, in terms of pure basketball potential, because he happens to lift more donuts to his mouth than weights in the weightroom.

I see the prospect he is skill wise...but I think people are factoring in stats and school more than they should to how much of a prospect he ACTUALLY is. I see a lot more Eddie Curry in LOTS of areas. Not just his waist line, or measurments, or lack of athleticism. I see a lot of what he is including his skills translating to Curry. Which is not a bust, but instead a tease. A guy good enough to get that fat second contract...and bad enough, lazy enough to make you regret it. So? Add it all together plus the fact that he really doesnt fit our team...I just feel stay away. If it was just fit, or just some added weight, or just maturity...if it was one thing...I might say screw it roll the dice. But together? No thanks. Even if he makes it on his talent....my feeling is...long term you will say...wow glad it wasnt us.

So I take the kid with the most upside in the draft Favors, if the best pure star talent...Turner isnt there and bascially unless Cousins becomes a superstar and our pick is a bust i wont regret it. If he is just better? Wont regret it. Enough red flags and enough better draft day options to say here in June 2010....he shouldnt be the third pick.

ideal scenario? Someone thinks we are wrong and trades up to 2 with Philly to take him. How great would that be?

I'm still hanging on to Cousins by the way, even though I'm definitely leaning towards Favors. One thing that I see in Cousins that I didn't (don't see) in Curry and a lot of those other guys? His fire to compete when the game gets going. Something they said in Sacramento (during their interview), to me proves this even more. The guy loves to play basketball, but doesn't like the gym/work room.

To me, that means Cousins will do enough to not be a bust, but will most likely not do enough to reach his true potential. Still, I think that's why I think he'll last longer in the league than Eddy Curry.

[enetric]

Yeah but what negates that for me is that he regualry took plays off in college. In the NBA if you are going hard half the time and need to suck wind the other you will be sitting on the bench with people talking about what if. And if you dont like to work out? How is a guy with that level of body fat at this age going to build stamina for his mid to late 20's? By 30 he will be a turd if he doesnt change that.

Curry? got drafted in 2001. So here he is still making millions 10 years later. And up to year 7 people were stil saying...IF and maybe.

he is going to have to care enough OFF THE COURT too o stay on it and earn the cash. Can he do enough to get the contract? Yes. Can he actually EARN IT? That is my big question.

[SpeedyG]

I think he'll do enough off the court, which is why I don't think he'll bust. Curry I don't think really cared, with Demarcus, you can see that he takes losing badly, so he has that going for him. But again, the question is...longevity. How long can he keep it up? What if there's an injury that prevents him from doing physical activity? is that going to cause him to balloon ala Shaq?

That being said, I'm still leaning towards Favors. But, far from 100% convinced he's the right pick over Cousins.

[enetric]

I hear you. My concern is...he takes all things badly. I dont know if that wil translate into working harder or medicating with a 20 piece from KFC.

[SpeedyG]

I hear you. My concern is...he takes all things badly. I dont know if that wil translate into working harder or medicating with a 20 piece from KFC.

Definitely, that's the big question mark. But to me, from a non-athlete stand point, I ALWAYS take the guy who cries and beats on his chest after a loss than a guy who smiles and hugs after one. Doesn't always mean the guy who was emotional will always work harder than the one who smiles, but more often than not, the guys who take it that hard eventually wake up one day and realize (especially ones as talented as Cousins) asking themselves "WTF am I doing? Why am I wasting my day sitting on the sofa playing video games when I can be working on my game so that I can help stop this losing?"

[SpeedyG]

By the way, mark your calendars. June 21st...

Favors vs. Cousins.

Apparently, the Nets were finally able to convince both sides to go one-on-one...winner gets the #3 spot.

I can't freakin wait.

[enetric]

I hear you. My concern is...he takes all things badly. I dont know if that wil translate into working harder or medicating with a 20 piece from KFC.

Definitely, that's the big question mark. But to me, from a non-athlete stand point, I ALWAYS take the guy who cries and beats on his chest after a loss than a guy who smiles and hugs after one. Doesn't always mean the guy who was emotional will always work harder than the one who smiles, but more often than not, the guys who take it that hard eventually wake up one day and realize (especially ones as talented as Cousins) asking themselves "WTF am I doing? Why am I wasting my day sitting on the sofa playing video games when I can be working on my game so that I can help stop this losing?"

I guess I am also not convicned on the "one as talented as" portion. Talented yeah. lets see what a house can do against Men not boys.


Plus, I am not reading him like why am doing this thing. You get told lose weight at 270 after HS and you go to Kentucky and now a year later 296? They say he doesnt like to be told what to do and he says he doesnt like to work out.

I think hoping he will just get it might be a lot to ask. But...would love to be wrong. I hate seeing talent wasted.

[Rockice_8]

The one thing that really stuck out to me when comparing the stats of Favors and Cousins while trying to decide which one I want was the MPG (minutes per game). Cousins was a big time player last season and his team leaned on him to produce yet he could only play 23 mpg.

23 MPG, really, thats all the time you could play before you got tired. How can we expect him to play 35-38 mpg if we draft him.

I will go out on a limb and say Wes will be borderline allstar but Favors could be a superstar.

The pick has to be Favors, no other player has given me any other reason to change my pick. The potential is sky high unlike any we've seen since K-Mart/Amare/Dwight. He could be a combination of Dwight Howard/Amare. Even if his offense never completely develops we know he will defend, rebound, and finish around the rim. Something we desperately could use. I can't stand to watch Yi miss rebounds and layups anymore.

Aminu = Beasley
Patterson (will be out of the league in 5 years)
Monroe (solid starter won't make an allstar team)
Wes (allstar caliber but will never be a 1st or 2nd option)
Cousins = Brendon Haywood

[Preludepunk27]

^^^^

Aminou isn't that good. I'd rather try to nab Lawal at #27 or #31 if we want an raw SF with decent potential.

You had me until you threw Patrick Patterson under the bus. He's not the "flashy pick" everyone is talking about in the lottery, but this kid has all the skills and leadership qualities to be a solid role player for 8-12 years barring injury. I want to know in-depth why you say this because you really have no conception of the skills this kid has if you make this statement.

That and don't EVER compare Cousins to Brandon Haywood. Haywood plays defense. Always has, always will. Over Cousins whole career, he may not have as many blocked shots that Haywood had in 1 season in his prime. Cousins bottom is Eddie Curry and his ceiling is Zach Randolph.

You're on the money with Wes though. I see a Tayshaun Prince glue guy that will have solid years, but never be THE go to guy.

As for Yi, I still want him to hang around. I do find it funny that his situational stats on offense and defense over his career are better than Beasley

[vincecarter4pres]

Lawal is not a SF, at all.

Cousins ceiling is certainly higher then Zach Randolph.

Yi sucks.

[demens]

Little something from Chad Fords latest article about the draft and how its totally uncertain who goes where after John Wall. Here's what he said about the Nets.

Jersey's boys

Things aren't much clearer in New Jersey at the moment. The New Jersey Nets would take Turner if he is on the board. If he isn't? It's a standoff between Favors and Cousins. The team won't be getting Turner for a workout, but they'll have Favors and Cousins going head-to-head June 21.

The Nets do have a bit of a dilemma at No. 3 if it's Favors and Cousins on the board. I think from a talent standpoint, Cousins has the edge. However, the team will pursue Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire and Carlos Boozer via free agency. You don't draft Cousins to play him 10 minutes a night. He's the most NBA-ready big man in the draft. However, Favors is raw and you could bring him along more slowly.

If the Nets are confident they will be getting Bosh, Stoudemire or Boozer, it might make sense for them to swap picks with a team like the Pistons. They could get another critical piece of the puzzle at the 3 and still have a high pick to draft a backup big.

Hmm.

[SpeedyG]

Am I the only one who see a shorter but more athletic Granger in Wes Johnson?

[demens]

And the Aminu hate is just ridiculous. You wanna call him a bust at least compare him to players he would be similar too, like i dont know, Darious Miles or Julian Wright or something. Beasley is just

[demens]

Am I the only one who see a shorter but more athletic Granger in Wes Johnson?

Granger is a scorer, a guy that creates his own shot. Wes is not like that at all. Why do people have an issue with the Marion comparison, i guess everyone forgot how good he was with the Suns, ehh, all-star i believe.

[Krapinsky]

According to draftexpress.com twitter, Minnesota is sold on Wesley Johnson and they won't even workout Cousins!

http://www.draftexpress.com/twitter.php

Well, there you go.

This has since been rebuffed. Kahn is trying to get Cousins in for a workout. The new word of the street though is that Kahn may have his eye on Favors. So I'll ask this, what would it take to merely swap the 3 and the 4?

[mikhailjordan]

If it were up to me and assuming Wall and Turner went 1 and 2. I'd want the Nets to keep the 3rd pick unless they somehow also landed Kevin Love (yeah right, but I can dream can't I?)...

With that being said, if management does have a legitimate hard-on for Wes Johnson (I think it's misdirection, Thorn and Co. have been awfully quiet on Favors), I think a three team deal in which the Nets trade down from 3 to 4, get the 16, and then are able to package 16 and 27 together to move back up and draft a power forward seems pretty reasonable...

Though I like him I could also see the Nets considering sending CDR the Wolves way in addition to the pick swap...

Thoughts?

[demens]

This has since been rebuffed. Kahn is trying to get Cousins in for a workout. The new word of the street though is that Kahn may have his eye on Favors. So I'll ask this, what would it take to merely swap the 3 and the 4?

Not joking. It would take Rubio or Love. Yes its definitely an overkill, but there is nothing else you can offer that has enough value to do the swap. We have enough late picks ourselves so there wouldn't be much interest in those.

Edit: I'm really high on CDR, but if you insist he is included, so be it.