Official: Deron Williams Re-Signs: $98 million/5 years

[vincecarter4pres]

[NetSymptom]

Really? My buddy was out there and I swore he said it was around 2 and a half.

Depends on how fast you're going I suppose... And what's in your car

But it's 220 miles give or take, so you'd have to be speeding the whole way and have no traffic whatsoever.

Yeah, no traffic, about 85 the whole way. Adds up about perfect.

It's risky, but definitely doable. You gotta go through Waco at 60-65 and a few other speed traps the whole way.

Besides, I have to make a stop each time at the Czech Stop in "West, Texas" Exit 353. Best kolaches I've ever tasted.

[treiz]

Not trying to troll you, but Dallas does have a draft pick. Its 17th.

I will say that I thought NYE'S post this started with was actually pretty accurate. Its about 50/50 at this point and really depends on who makes what moves to entice Deron.

As a side note, the brother is going to prep school in Jersey point should include the point that he is planing on going to school there, but included the idea that he could change it if plans changed. Of course, it looks as if that was only included by the author so take it for what its worth.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives ... her-p.html

Not at all, thank you for that. Now I know, at this point I would put up an image of the "More you know" stuff but can't be bothered.

I do believe it's 50/50 as well, we've been saying that this whole year, there was no way he ends up in LA or Orlando no matter how much their fans wanted to believe it. It was always between Brooklyn and Dallas.

[treiz]

Hometown matters because Deron himself said his next stop he wants to retire there. What better place than where your immediate family is? Family counts for a lot. Maybe he wants his parents to be able to see there grandkids.

You say that and I'm willing to bet Howard would never want to play for Atlanta. Hometown is a BS excuse, if it mattered so much to him, why did he go to Illinois for college? Why didn't he stay home? Especially at that young age when most young adults prefer to be closer to their family

He went to illinois because he was recruited by Illinois. The only college in Dallas is Smu .. UNT (Denton) UT (Austin) TCU ( Ft Worth) He wasnt recruited by these schools some of them already had Point guards.

He couldn't stay at any college in Texas around Dallas then? As you can see from my location I'm not very good with American geography.

[jeff1624]

[treiz]

Well Dirk Did take 1 team to the Finals and win a championship with another being the on;\ly star .

So yes i think a team built around Dirk and Deron will comete for a championship.

"We just got to Brooklyn and we were record breaking selling merchandise for the last couple of weeks," I would think it would be pretty easy so set records in Mdse if you were a brand new team.

We have the 17th Pick in the draft . We only owe Houston a top 20 protected pick until 2016.

Yes, but that was a year ago. How long do you think he's got left at an elite level where he has to do the heavy lifting to be a contender, not just a playoff team, but contender?

With what cap? Most of your cap will be eaten up by Dirk/Deron, how are you going to build a proper team, not just a team with scrubs to surround Dirk and Deron?

The point still stands though, yes that could be the case for every other franchise that moved, but the point still stands (Would like to know the figures for OKC and Charlotte when they moved, can anybody post them? Can't find them anywhere)

I addressed that, and I did admit I was wrong. With Dirk/Deron, there's no way you get that pick back until 2016, even with just Dirk there there's no way you get that back. So aside from this year your point is moot.

[treiz]

[vincecarter4pres]

[HotrodBeaubois]

Well Dirk Did take 1 team to the Finals and win a championship with another being the on;\ly star .

So yes i think a team built around Dirk and Deron will comete for a championship.

"We just got to Brooklyn and we were record breaking selling merchandise for the last couple of weeks," I would think it would be pretty easy so set records in Mdse if you were a brand new team.

We have the 17th Pick in the draft . We only owe Houston a top 20 protected pick until 2016.

Yes, but that was a year ago. How long do you think he's got left at an elite level where he has to do the heavy lifting to be a contender, not just a playoff team, but contender?

With what cap? Most of your cap will be eaten up by Dirk/Deron, how are you going to build a proper team, not just a team with scrubs to surround Dirk and Deron?

The point still stands though, yes that could be the case for every other franchise that moved, but the point still stands (Would like to know the figures for OKC and Charlotte when they moved, can anybody post them? Can't find them anywhere)

I addressed that, and I did admit I was wrong. With Dirk/Deron, there's no way you get that pick back until 2016, even with just Dirk there there's no way you get that back. So aside from this year your point is moot.

I'm sure Dirk has 2-3 years left as a elite player. But the point is he won't have to do all the heavy lifting with Deron. We won't have a ton of capspace but we will be able to field a team that a contender.


"With Dirk/Deron, there's no way you get that pick back until 2016, even with just Dirk there there's no way you get that back. So aside from this year your point is moot."

We have the 17th pick this year . Then next year with Deron we should end up with a top 10 record meaning Houston would get that pick , and then we would'nt owe anymore picks.
So i don't understand what you mean by we won't get that pick. We basically lose the 2013 pick but we will still have 2014-2016


And yes im sure you are setting records selling mdse and im sure being New York that you beat OKC and Charlotte if not then yyou would have some serious problems

[HotrodBeaubois]

What your thoughts on this?




Yormark: Barclays, Not Title, Is Goal
by Net Income on May 5, 2012 11:36 PM EDT in Brooklyn

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In an interview last month that was posted a few days ago, Brett Yormark and his twin brother, the Florida Panthers CEO, talk about their ultimate goals. For Michael Yormark, whose Panthers lost to the the Devils, the ultimate goal is the Stanley Cup. But Nets and Barclays Center CEO says a championship is not his goal. Brooklyn is.

"My goal is not to win championships, believe it or not," Brett Yormark told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "My goal for the last seven years is to bring sports and entertainment back to Brooklyn. Since the Dodgers left, it's been a market that's truly been under-served. It's been an incredible journey, 34 lawsuits, a downturn in the economy, a lockout. Thankfully, we're on our way. and that to me is probably going to be the highlight of my career."

Yormark also noted that Opening Night at Barclays, September 28, is the twins' 45th birthday. "It's our birthday. I told my owner we had to open on my birthday. So Michael will be invited," he said with a laugh.

I'm sure Deron loves hearing this.

[Netaman]

complete non-story since Yorkmark isn't involved in basketball operations. He has no influence on winning a championship so I would assume that's why he said it's not one of "his" goals. Not a great quote, but at the end of the day meaningless.

[N Ireland Nets]

So you think because Yormark is pushing this whole Brooklyn message to bring in major sponsors & fans to pack out the arena it's going to have an effect on D Will?

Yormark is basically head of marketing with zero basketball decisions being made by him.

Obvious troll by an obvious troll.

I have zero problem with Dallas fans coming on here giving an opinion but when it's basically a, "look here's another reason he will leave Brooklyn for Dallas post" it pisses me off. Also you just know who the posters are who will be straight over onto these forums to troll if Dallas signs D Will to basically type, "I told you so".

I've been hoping D Will stays in Brooklyn and doubted it after the trade deadline but since before the last game in Jersey D Will has been a different guy. He's been really positive in talking up Brooklyn with the whole picking out a locker thing and also being dismissive about Dallas (we all know they are a threat though).

Point is no one knows what's going to happen but I'm going to stand by my prediction that D Will will be the face of the Brooklyn Nets.

A top 3 pick this year would only strengthen my view & would even mean Howard could be whispered about again as a possible target.

[oilfieldtrash]

I don't agree with the sentiment that what can Dallas do without cap space. A 34 year old Dirk and Deron is much better than anything the Nets can throw together this season. Dirk is a top 10 player in the NBA. You put him and a top 15 guy like Deron together and you're gonna have many people willing to take less to play with them. A Nets lead DWill team and good luck even getting Gerald Wallace back.

[treiz]

I'm sure Dirk has 2-3 years left as a elite player. But the point is he won't have to do all the heavy lifting with Deron. We won't have a ton of capspace but we will be able to field a team that a contender.

We have the 17th pick this year . Then next year with Deron we should end up with a top 10 record meaning Houston would get that pick , and then we would'nt owe anymore picks.
So i don't understand what you mean by we won't get that pick. We basically lose the 2013 pick but we will still have 2014-2016

And yes im sure you are setting records selling mdse and im sure being New York that you beat OKC and Charlotte if not then yyou would have some serious problems

I'm sure Dirk has a few years left as well, with conditioning and nutrition for athletes these days being very good I don't doubt it. But after Deron you'll have nobody, especially coming out of the West where if you look at every playoff team this year has 2 very good players/stars to go with their superstar with a solid bench. Do you actually think that Dirk/Deron/scrubs can contend with the Western teams? I highly doubt it.

Yes, I've already addressed the 17th pick thing, I also admitted my fault at it. Dirk/Deron will get you to the play-offs at the West and looking at the East, you could arguably have a better record than the Knicks, Pacers, 76ers, Orlando and Atlanta and those are the teams that made it to the playoffs this year in the East. It's a lot of 'ifs' and but', but as long as Dirk/Deron are there, you'll most likely have a better record than those teams. Which is why I said you probably won't see that pick until 2016.

Again pretty hypocritical, you say you can contend with that team, and yet you don't see your team as top 5 in wins (when you said the pick is top 20, which should mean that you'd have to be at least 10 in wins). I'm sorry but contenders are usually in the top 5. Of course there are anomalies such as you guys last year, but contenders tend to be at the top of their conference.

The point still stands though, no idea why we're discussing this.

Also, Yormack has always been like that. He's in charge of marketing, yes it makes it easier to sell when you have a championship winning team, but the easiest way to sell is with stars.

[treiz]

I don't agree with the sentiment that what can Dallas do without cap space. A 34 year old Dirk and Deron is much better than anything the Nets can throw together this season. Dirk is a top 10 player in the NBA. You put him and a top 15 guy like Deron together and you're gonna have many people willing to take less to play with them. A Nets lead DWill team and good luck even getting Gerald Wallace back.

Let's say we trade for Howard during the off-season? Do you still believe that the bolded part is true? I certainly don't, not only would we get the best big man in the game with Deron but we'd have additional pieces to perhaps improve the team more.

Deron is a top 10 player, if he signs this year you better believe people are going to want to play with him in Brooklyn and of course Wallace will sign if Deron signs.

[oilfieldtrash]

I don't agree with the sentiment that what can Dallas do without cap space. A 34 year old Dirk and Deron is much better than anything the Nets can throw together this season. Dirk is a top 10 player in the NBA. You put him and a top 15 guy like Deron together and you're gonna have many people willing to take less to play with them. A Nets lead DWill team and good luck even getting Gerald Wallace back.

Let's say we trade for Howard during the off-season? Do you still believe that the bolded part is true? I certainly don't, not only would we get the best big man in the game with Deron but we'd have additional pieces to perhaps improve the team more.

Deron is a top 10 player, if he signs this year you better believe people are going to want to play with him in Brooklyn and of course Wallace will sign if Deron signs.

Yes Dirk even at 34 is better than Dwight. Dwight is a liability in crunch time. Dirk is referred to as one of the greatest clutch players ever. Big difference.

As far as players wanting to sign in Brooklyn. lol. You obviously have a skewed view of the Nets. They are the laughing stock of the NBA. They had to mortgage their future just for a trade to get a big fish. Even then they can't get a commitment from DWill after having been there a couple seasons.

[treiz]

I don't agree with the sentiment that what can Dallas do without cap space. A 34 year old Dirk and Deron is much better than anything the Nets can throw together this season. Dirk is a top 10 player in the NBA. You put him and a top 15 guy like Deron together and you're gonna have many people willing to take less to play with them. A Nets lead DWill team and good luck even getting Gerald Wallace back.

Let's say we trade for Howard during the off-season? Do you still believe that the bolded part is true? I certainly don't, not only would we get the best big man in the game with Deron but we'd have additional pieces to perhaps improve the team more.

Deron is a top 10 player, if he signs this year you better believe people are going to want to play with him in Brooklyn and of course Wallace will sign if Deron signs.

Yes Dirk even at 34 is better than Dwight. Dwight is a liability in crunch time. Dirk is referred to as one of the greatest clutch players ever. Big difference.

As far as players wanting to sign in Brooklyn. lol. You obviously have a skewed view of the Nets. They are the laughing stock of the NBA. They had to mortgage their future just for a trade to get a big fish. Even then they can't get a commitment from DWill after having been there a couple seasons.

Just because Dirk is clutcher than Howard he's better? So is Dirk better than Lebron then? What a ridiculous statement to make. Howard is better than Dirk, no questions asked. Despite his offensive flaws he still gets 20 ppg, a defensive force and also a terrific rebounder. Being clutch doesn't trump those. HUGE difference.

If Deron signs of course players would want to play in Brooklyn, players want to play with stars, and Deron is a star. Howard wanted to come over, Kidd said he's willing to come over and back-up Deron, Josh Smith has also said he wants to come to Brooklyn. So how exactly are we the laughing stock of the NBA again? Yes, Deron hasn't signed yet and yes he's yet to sign, if you're team is so great why doesn't he just sign with you guys right now then? You obviously have an ignorant and idiotic view of the Nets and a biased view of your own team.

We didn't mortgage our future, even if Deron doesn't sign we still have draft picks and our roster is bad enough that we get high lottery picks with tons of cap space to fill the gaps. Seriously, do you not read my posts fully? I've repeated this already.

[N Ireland Nets]

There's no way that Dallas would be a better team than the Nets next season if you made a double of D Will & placed him on both teams.

Even if we just resign our current team (we're actually meant to be going hard after KG) we would beat Dallas because we have depth. Again my opinion but we beat you without Wallace or Green & it was only Lopez's 2nd game back.

To sign D Will you'd have to get rid of your centre. Who's going to fill your centre spot & bench next season?

Williams
West
Marion
Dirk
??

Jet or Kidd want more than vet min so you'll struggle to sign them. No idea of the rest of you roster depth wise but that's not winning anything.

Brooklyn would have:

Williams / Farmar
Brooks / Morrow / Bogdanovic
Wallace / Green / Bogdanovic
Hump / J Williams
Lopez / Petro

Those are the players we'd have in Brooklyn with zero moves made and that isn't going to happen. Hump will be released to get his cap hold off the books & leave us room to go after KG, Martin, Kidd, Allen & any free agents with AK47 rumoured to have basically agreed a deal already also.

If we get a top 3 pick that opens a world of options. The Mavs have no assets to move outside their 17th overall pick and that isn't bringing them much.

So even looking at that lineup above of the Nets, in my opinion the Brooklyn team is stronger and actually has a bench & not just bench warmers.

I still understand the Mavs are an option but there is no way the Mavs compete if Williams signs with them. The Nets offer more money, more wiggle room to make moves and have a real buzz about the franchise. I'm confident because we know King is looking to make moves. A top 3 pick & a trade for a top player should mean Williams will be staying in Brooklyn.

[oilfieldtrash]

There's no way that Dallas would be a better team than the Nets next season if you made a double of D Will & placed him on both teams.

Even if we just resign our current team (we're actually meant to be going hard after KG) we would beat Dallas because we have depth. Again my opinion but we beat you without Wallace or Green & it was only Lopez's 2nd game back.

To sign D Will you'd have to get rid of your centre. Who's going to fill your centre spot & bench next season?

Williams
West
Marion
Dirk
??

Jet or Kidd want more than vet min so you'll struggle to sign them. No idea of the rest of you roster depth wise but that's not winning anything.

Brooklyn would have:

Williams / Farmar
Brooks / Morrow / Bogdanovic
Wallace / Green / Bogdanovic
Hump / J Williams
Lopez / Petro

Those are the players we'd have in Brooklyn with zero moves made and that isn't going to happen. Hump will be released to get his cap hold off the books & leave us room to go after KG, Martin, Kidd, Allen & any free agents with AK47 rumoured to have basically agreed a deal already also.

If we get a top 3 pick that opens a world of options. The Mavs have no assets to move outside their 17th overall pick and that isn't bringing them much.

So even looking at that lineup above of the Nets, in my opinion the Brooklyn team is stronger and actually has a bench & not just bench warmers.

I still understand the Mavs are an option but there is no way the Mavs compete if Williams signs with them. The Nets offer more money, more wiggle room to make moves and have a real buzz about the franchise. I'm confident because we know King is looking to make moves. A top 3 pick & a trade for a top player should mean Williams will be staying in Brooklyn.

Dirk DWill and D leaguers > Nets. Simple as that. Stars win in the NBA. Look at the garbage Dirk has had some years and they still won 50 games. This supposedly stacked Nets roster is a perennial lottery team.

[elbowj]

I'm sure Dirk has 2-3 years left as a elite player. But the point is he won't have to do all the heavy lifting with Deron. We won't have a ton of capspace but we will be able to field a team that a contender.

We have the 17th pick this year . Then next year with Deron we should end up with a top 10 record meaning Houston would get that pick , and then we would'nt owe anymore picks.
So i don't understand what you mean by we won't get that pick. We basically lose the 2013 pick but we will still have 2014-2016

And yes im sure you are setting records selling mdse and im sure being New York that you beat OKC and Charlotte if not then yyou would have some serious problems

I'm sure Dirk has a few years left as well, with conditioning and nutrition for athletes these days being very good I don't doubt it. But after Deron you'll have nobody, especially coming out of the West where if you look at every playoff team this year has 2 very good players/stars to go with their superstar with a solid bench. Do you actually think that Dirk/Deron/scrubs can contend with the Western teams? I highly doubt it.

Yes, I've already addressed the 17th pick thing, I also admitted my fault at it. Dirk/Deron will get you to the play-offs at the West and looking at the East, you could arguably have a better record than the Knicks, Pacers, 76ers, Orlando and Atlanta and those are the teams that made it to the playoffs this year in the East. It's a lot of 'ifs' and but', but as long as Dirk/Deron are there, you'll most likely have a better record than those teams. Which is why I said you probably won't see that pick until 2016.

Again pretty hypocritical, you say you can contend with that team, and yet you don't see your team as top 5 in wins (when you said the pick is top 20, which should mean that you'd have to be at least 10 in wins). I'm sorry but contenders are usually in the top 5. Of course there are anomalies such as you guys last year, but contenders tend to be at the top of their conference.

The point still stands though, no idea why we're discussing this.

Also, Yormack has always been like that. He's in charge of marketing, yes it makes it easier to sell when you have a championship winning team, but the easiest way to sell is with stars.

Regarding the top five contender status, Dallas actually was tied with LA for the fourth best record in the league last season.