Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[DarkXaero]

Jrue is a legitimately good two way player in this league, that is not up for debate. The eye test supports him, the reputation/perception around the league backs him, and the defensive metrics back him up. He's one of the best guard defenders in the league, this entire point about Pelicans being horrible defensively hence Jrue is no longer good is nonsensical. You can look at the numbers behind or you can watch Pelican games/tape to see Jrue is still great defensively. He's also legit 6'4" in NBA with a good wingspan, and he has been mostly playing SG for the Pelicans the past 3 seasons. Additionally, the guy has averaged 19/7 as a second/third option this year on an offensively talented Pelicans team, and without super high usage. This idea that he is no longer good or doesn't fit here is quite frankly nonsense.

Nobody is saying he isn't good.

I just don't think he is worth trading our assets for him and paying 26 mill a year.

Its only worth it for me if we get a high level All Star.

Holiday hasn't even sniffed the all star team in years, is on the wrong side of 30 and has a bad contract.

That's what you guys seem to be implying by downplaying or dismissing what Jrue does well. It's fair to think that it's not worth it to give up assets for Jrue, although I don't think it would take much because of contract situation. I think Levert for Jrue straight up can definitely get it done at this point, there's also a solid argument that Levert has more trade value atm, with his recent play, longer term contract, and younger age. It doesn't mean Levert is the better player, but he has more value right now with those factors in consideration.

Calling him a bad contract is laughable when the guy is a very good player who will be an expiring contract next season. Wrong side of 30? He just turned 30, and hasn't shown any real signs of decline. I guess we should give up on KD too because he's on the wrong side of 30 coming off an achilles injury.

[DarkXaero]

If he comes here for two years and gets himself a chip, Ibaka could get a big contract next time.

Five or six teams could boast this. Heck, the team he's on now can pay him more than we can, and they have just as much right to claim they can get him a chip.

Serge is 31, and an established high-level role-player. He's not going to take a prove-it discount at this point in his career, he's already proven he's worth 8-figure money. This is his last chance to get a large paycheck, free agency at age 33 is far less lucrative. Our only hope is that he just wants to take far under his market value, and that's thin hope.

Yeah, the only way to get Ibaka would be a S&T but the implications of S&T (becoming hard capped) makes that extremely difficult.

[GTR11]

If he comes here for two years and gets himself a chip, Ibaka could get a big contract next time.

Five or six teams could boast this. Heck, the team he's on now can pay him more than we can, and they have just as much right to claim they can get him a chip.

Serge is 31, and an established high-level role-player. He's not going to take a prove-it discount at this point in his career, he's already proven he's worth 8-figure money. This is his last chance to get a large paycheck, free agency at age 33 is far less lucrative. Our only hope is that he just wants to take far under his market value, and that's thin hope.

Our best hope is that Ibaka wants to join the Super Friends (KD, Kyrie, Levert, DJ, etc).

He's not coming.
Gordon is everything Marks avoid when evaluating players. We could've had Gordon, instead he went with Prince for obvious reasons.
Allen will be subject to S&T come trade deadline or end of the season. He got one more year to prove us he belongs on a chip team. Last night game didn't help his case since he was invisible, still got time though.

[DarkXaero]

dame lillard said jrue holiday is the best defensive guard in the league

offensively, hed be 3rd option anyway, its not like hed be 1st option and you need better than him

Its not 2018 anymore bro.

You realize that Jrue made All NBA Defensive 2nd Team last year, right? And he might make it again this season?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Jrue is a legitimately good two way player in this league, that is not up for debate. The eye test supports him, the reputation/perception around the league backs him, and the defensive metrics back him up. He's one of the best guard defenders in the league, this entire point about Pelicans being horrible defensively hence Jrue is no longer good is nonsensical. You can look at the numbers behind or you can watch Pelican games/tape to see Jrue is still great defensively. He's also legit 6'4" in NBA with a good wingspan, and he has been mostly playing SG for the Pelicans the past 3 seasons. Additionally, the guy has averaged 19/7 as a second/third option this year on an offensively talented Pelicans team, and without super high usage. This idea that he is no longer good or doesn't fit here is quite frankly nonsense.

Nobody is saying he isn't good.

I just don't think he is worth trading our assets for him and paying 26 mill a year.

Its only worth it for me if we get a high level All Star.

Holiday hasn't even sniffed the all star team in years, is on the wrong side of 30 and has a bad contract.

That's what you guys seem to be implying by downplaying or dismissing what Jrue does well. It's fair to think that it's not worth it to give up assets for Jrue, although I don't think it would take much because of contract situation. I think Levert for Jrue straight up can definitely get it done at this point, there's also a solid argument that Levert has more trade value atm, with his recent play, longer term contract, and younger age. It doesn't mean Levert is the better player, but he has more value right now with those factors in consideration.

Calling him a bad contract is laughable when the guy is a very good player who will be an expiring contract next season. Wrong side of 30? He just turned 30, and hasn't shown any real signs of decline. I guess we should give up on KD too because he's on the wrong side of 30 coming off an achilles injury.

Kevin Durant is the best player in the world lol. I don't really care how old he is.

Holiday hasn't even made the All Star team in 7 years.

Also what do you mean his contract is expiring next season? He has an option for 2022 for 27 million.

I'm not paying that much for a non-All Star when we can get a role player who does most of what he does for much less.

If defense is just a concern then we can try and trade for or sign a 3&D player without giving up Levert.

We can't trade Levert for him straight up cause of his contract. We probably have to include Dinwiddie as well. And Allen.

[DarkXaero]

Nobody is saying he isn't good.

I just don't think he is worth trading our assets for him and paying 26 mill a year.

Its only worth it for me if we get a high level All Star.

Holiday hasn't even sniffed the all star team in years, is on the wrong side of 30 and has a bad contract.

That's what you guys seem to be implying by downplaying or dismissing what Jrue does well. It's fair to think that it's not worth it to give up assets for Jrue, although I don't think it would take much because of contract situation. I think Levert for Jrue straight up can definitely get it done at this point, there's also a solid argument that Levert has more trade value atm, with his recent play, longer term contract, and younger age. It doesn't mean Levert is the better player, but he has more value right now with those factors in consideration.

Calling him a bad contract is laughable when the guy is a very good player who will be an expiring contract next season. Wrong side of 30? He just turned 30, and hasn't shown any real signs of decline. I guess we should give up on KD too because he's on the wrong side of 30 coming off an achilles injury.

Kevin Durant is the best player in the world lol. I don't really care how old he is.

Holiday hasn't even made the All Star team in 7 years.

Also what do you mean his contract is expiring next season? He has an option for 2022 for 27 million.

I'm not paying that much for a non-All Star when we can get a role player who does most of what he does for much less.

If defense is just a concern then we can try and trade for or sign a 3&D player without giving up Levert.

We can't trade Levert for him straight up cause of his contract. We probably have to include Dinwiddie as well. And Allen.

Being 30 isn't a death sentence in basketball or pro sports in general

Jrue is almost certainly going to decline that player option to opt out for 2021 FA, where he'll earn his last big contract.

Name good 3&D players that can be had easily (without giving up any notable assets).

Trading Levert + Temple for Jrue works perfectly fine. I don't know why you're adding Dinwiddie and Allen for no reason

[Hello Brooklyn]

That's what you guys seem to be implying by downplaying or dismissing what Jrue does well. It's fair to think that it's not worth it to give up assets for Jrue, although I don't think it would take much because of contract situation. I think Levert for Jrue straight up can definitely get it done at this point, there's also a solid argument that Levert has more trade value atm, with his recent play, longer term contract, and younger age. It doesn't mean Levert is the better player, but he has more value right now with those factors in consideration.

Calling him a bad contract is laughable when the guy is a very good player who will be an expiring contract next season. Wrong side of 30? He just turned 30, and hasn't shown any real signs of decline. I guess we should give up on KD too because he's on the wrong side of 30 coming off an achilles injury.

Kevin Durant is the best player in the world lol. I don't really care how old he is.

Holiday hasn't even made the All Star team in 7 years.

Also what do you mean his contract is expiring next season? He has an option for 2022 for 27 million.

I'm not paying that much for a non-All Star when we can get a role player who does most of what he does for much less.

If defense is just a concern then we can try and trade for or sign a 3&D player without giving up Levert.

We can't trade Levert for him straight up cause of his contract. We probably have to include Dinwiddie as well. And Allen.

Being 30 isn't a death sentence in basketball or pro sports in general

Jrue is almost certainly going to decline that player option to opt out for 2021 FA, where he'll earn his last big contract.

Name good 3&D players that can be had easily (without giving up any notable assets).

Trading Levert + Temple for Jrue works perfectly fine. I don't know why you're adding Dinwiddie and Allen for no reason

You're delusional if you think the Pelicans will trade Holiday for Levert straight up.

Ask a Pelicans fan what they think of that trade and see what answer you get back. Its not happening.

[DarkXaero]

Kevin Durant is the best player in the world lol. I don't really care how old he is.

Holiday hasn't even made the All Star team in 7 years.

Also what do you mean his contract is expiring next season? He has an option for 2022 for 27 million.

I'm not paying that much for a non-All Star when we can get a role player who does most of what he does for much less.

If defense is just a concern then we can try and trade for or sign a 3&D player without giving up Levert.

We can't trade Levert for him straight up cause of his contract. We probably have to include Dinwiddie as well. And Allen.

Being 30 isn't a death sentence in basketball or pro sports in general

Jrue is almost certainly going to decline that player option to opt out for 2021 FA, where he'll earn his last big contract.

Name good 3&D players that can be had easily (without giving up any notable assets).

Trading Levert + Temple for Jrue works perfectly fine. I don't know why you're adding Dinwiddie and Allen for no reason

You're delusional if you think the Pelicans will trade Holiday for Levert straight up.

Ask a Pelicans fan what they think of that trade and see what answer you get back. Its not happening.

Dude, your logic makes no sense. First, it's "Jrue isn't good enough, I'm not trading Levert for him", now its "you're delusional, Jrue is too good to be traded for Levert straight up".

Make up your **** mind

[Hello Brooklyn]

Being 30 isn't a death sentence in basketball or pro sports in general

Jrue is almost certainly going to decline that player option to opt out for 2021 FA, where he'll earn his last big contract.

Name good 3&D players that can be had easily (without giving up any notable assets).

Trading Levert + Temple for Jrue works perfectly fine. I don't know why you're adding Dinwiddie and Allen for no reason

You're delusional if you think the Pelicans will trade Holiday for Levert straight up.

Ask a Pelicans fan what they think of that trade and see what answer you get back. Its not happening.

Dude, your logic makes no sense. First, it's "Jrue isn't good enough, I'm not trading Levert for him", now its "you're delusional, Jrue is too good to be traded for Levert straight up".

Make up your **** mind

Its not that hard to follow along, skippy.

I don't think Holiday is worth trading what it would take to get him and the cost to pay him.

[DarkXaero]

You're delusional if you think the Pelicans will trade Holiday for Levert straight up.

Ask a Pelicans fan what they think of that trade and see what answer you get back. Its not happening.

Dude, your logic makes no sense. First, it's "Jrue isn't good enough, I'm not trading Levert for him", now its "you're delusional, Jrue is too good to be traded for Levert straight up".

Make up your **** mind

Its not that hard to follow along, skippy.

I don't think Holiday is worth trading what it would take to get him and the cost to pay him.

Nah, I think it's you who has a hard time staying consistent with his train of thought. You went from "Jrue is nowhere near a star, on decline, no longer great defensively" to "nah you're delusional, Jrue has all star value, and the guy that I constantly stan on this forum as a third star on this team, Levert, doesn't have anywhere near that value".


Expiring contract of 30 year old Jrue Holiday for four years younger Caris Levert, who has all star potential, 3 years left on his contract, and fits the young core of Pelicans. But yeah, its delusional af on our end

[Hello Brooklyn]

Dude, your logic makes no sense. First, it's "Jrue isn't good enough, I'm not trading Levert for him", now its "you're delusional, Jrue is too good to be traded for Levert straight up".

Make up your **** mind

Its not that hard to follow along, skippy.

I don't think Holiday is worth trading what it would take to get him and the cost to pay him.

Nah, I think it's you who has a hard time staying consistent with his train of thought. You went from "Jrue is nowhere near a star, on decline, no longer great defensively" to "nah you're delusional, Jrue has all star value, and the guy that I constantly stan on this forum as a third star on this team, Levert, doesn't have anywhere near that value".


Expiring contract of 30 year old Jrue Holiday for four years younger Caris Levert, who has all star potential, 3 years left on his contract, and fits the young core of Pelicans. But yeah, its delusional af on our end

Both things can be true:

I don't think hes an all star level player.

I think the Pelicans are not interested in trading him. And would expect high value close to all star level.

You get it now?

No Levert does not have enough value to get Holiday by himself. You're completely delusional if you believe that. And I love Levert.

[DarkXaero]

Its not that hard to follow along, skippy.

I don't think Holiday is worth trading what it would take to get him and the cost to pay him.

Nah, I think it's you who has a hard time staying consistent with his train of thought. You went from "Jrue is nowhere near a star, on decline, no longer great defensively" to "nah you're delusional, Jrue has all star value, and the guy that I constantly stan on this forum as a third star on this team, Levert, doesn't have anywhere near that value".


Expiring contract of 30 year old Jrue Holiday for four years younger Caris Levert, who has all star potential, 3 years left on his contract, and fits the young core of Pelicans. But yeah, its delusional af on our end

Both things can be true:

I don't think hes an all star level player.

I think the Pelicans are not interested in trading him. And would expect high value close to all star level.

You get it now?

No Levert does not have enough value to get Holiday by himself. You're completely delusional if you believe that. And I love Levert.

What you think is irrelevant, because your opinions are often bizarre, inconsistent, and with no evidence to support them. Fact is teams called for Jrue at this year's trade deadline, and tried to get him (Denver being the most interested), but Pelicans declined as they felt that they had a legitimate shot at playoffs. Turns out Pelicans were nowhere near ready for playoffs. Next season they have Jrue for a year, and they risk losing him for nothing in free agency of 2021. The logical move for a young team not ready for playoffs is to trade the expiring contract of Jrue for value. He's not an all star, he's 30, and he's expiring. Yet somehow he has all star value according to the guy who claims he's not a star, and that Levert is one. Denver's offer at deadline was likely Gary Harris, and a pick or two, and Gary Harris is a much worse asset than Levert. Jrue's value is less now by being a year removed from free agency. It ain't that hard to understand, and you're the one in denial if you think the Nets can't make a legitimate offer built around Levert for Jrue.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nah, I think it's you who has a hard time staying consistent with his train of thought. You went from "Jrue is nowhere near a star, on decline, no longer great defensively" to "nah you're delusional, Jrue has all star value, and the guy that I constantly stan on this forum as a third star on this team, Levert, doesn't have anywhere near that value".


Expiring contract of 30 year old Jrue Holiday for four years younger Caris Levert, who has all star potential, 3 years left on his contract, and fits the young core of Pelicans. But yeah, its delusional af on our end

Both things can be true:

I don't think hes an all star level player.

I think the Pelicans are not interested in trading him. And would expect high value close to all star level.

You get it now?

No Levert does not have enough value to get Holiday by himself. You're completely delusional if you believe that. And I love Levert.

What you think is irrelevant, because your opinions are often bizarre, inconsistent, and with no evidence to support them. Fact is teams called for Jrue at this year's trade deadline, and tried to get him (Denver being the most interested), but Pelicans declined as they felt that they had a legitimate shot at playoffs. Turns out Pelicans were nowhere near ready for playoffs. Next season they have Jrue for a year, and they risk losing him for nothing in free agency of 2021. The logical move for a young team not ready for playoffs is to trade the expiring contract of Jrue for value. He's not an all star, he's 30, and he's expiring. Yet somehow he has all star value according to the guy who claims he's not a star, and that Levert is one. Denver's offer at deadline was likely Gary Harris, and a pick or two, and Gary Harris is a much worse asset than Levert. Jrue's value is less now by being a year removed from free agency. It ain't that hard to understand, and you're the one in denial if you think the Nets can't make a legitimate offer built around Levert for Jrue.

Ok bro. I could care less what you think about my opinions because you have little ability to understand basic arguments and/or logic.

This is why you're resorting to ad-hominem attacks.

Done wasting my time with someone like you.

[vincecarter4pres]

Being 30 isn't a death sentence in basketball or pro sports in general

Jrue is almost certainly going to decline that player option to opt out for 2021 FA, where he'll earn his last big contract.

Name good 3&D players that can be had easily (without giving up any notable assets).

Trading Levert + Temple for Jrue works perfectly fine. I don't know why you're adding Dinwiddie and Allen for no reason

You're delusional if you think the Pelicans will trade Holiday for Levert straight up.

Ask a Pelicans fan what they think of that trade and see what answer you get back. Its not happening.

Dude, your logic makes no sense. First, it's "Jrue isn't good enough, I'm not trading Levert for him", now its "you're delusional, Jrue is too good to be traded for Levert straight up".

Make up your **** mind

Lmao, dude drives me insane with all the double talk, back tracking and moving the goalposts!

[Hello Brooklyn]

You're delusional if you think the Pelicans will trade Holiday for Levert straight up.

Ask a Pelicans fan what they think of that trade and see what answer you get back. Its not happening.

Dude, your logic makes no sense. First, it's "Jrue isn't good enough, I'm not trading Levert for him", now its "you're delusional, Jrue is too good to be traded for Levert straight up".

Make up your **** mind

Lmao, dude drives me insane with all the double talk, back tracking and moving the goalposts!

LOL I'm sorry you guys cant follow along but its pretty simple.

The way I view him is not the way the Pelicans will view him.

1. I don't view him as an All Star level player and do not want to trade for him based on the cost
2. The Pelicans do view him as that and will want more value back than just Levert

Like why is it so hard for you two to understand?

Try some critical thinking.

You're the one who wants to trade for freaking Tobias Harris, arguably the worst contract in the league after John Wall.

[vincecarter4pres]

Dude, your logic makes no sense. First, it's "Jrue isn't good enough, I'm not trading Levert for him", now its "you're delusional, Jrue is too good to be traded for Levert straight up".

Make up your **** mind

Lmao, dude drives me insane with all the double talk, back tracking and moving the goalposts!

LOL I'm sorry you guys cant follow along but its pretty simple.

The way I view him is not the way the Pelicans will view him.

1. I don't view him as an All Star level player and do not want to trade for him based on the cost
2. The Pelicans do view him as that and will want more value back than just Levert

Like why is it so hard for you two to understand?

Try some critical thinking.

You're the one who wants to trade for freaking Tobias Harris, arguably the worst contract in the league after John Wall.

Listen, I can dig what you're saying about separating concepts/ideas, etc. and I'm not even in total disagreement with you on some aspects of this one, but you move the goalposts so much on stuff like this all the time it's often hard not to figuratively roll one's eyes at the devolvement of the conversation through a series of your posts.

[ProspectPark]

Lmao, dude drives me insane with all the double talk, back tracking and moving the goalposts!

LOL I'm sorry you guys cant follow along but its pretty simple.

The way I view him is not the way the Pelicans will view him.

1. I don't view him as an All Star level player and do not want to trade for him based on the cost
2. The Pelicans do view him as that and will want more value back than just Levert

Like why is it so hard for you two to understand?

Try some critical thinking.

You're the one who wants to trade for freaking Tobias Harris, arguably the worst contract in the league after John Wall.

Listen, I can dig what you're saying about separating concepts/ideas, etc. and I'm not even in total disagreement with you on some aspects of this one, but you move the goalposts so much on stuff like this all the time it's often hard not to figuratively roll one's eyes at the devolvement of the conversation through a series of your posts.

It’s not hard to follow. Jrue is an established borderline NBA all-star. Caris is still making a name for himself in the NBA so of course the Pels will want a lot for him.

The problem for us is Jrue has only a year left on his deal, and then all the teams that miss out on Giannis, will start throwing ridiculous amounts of money at him.

Now that will put us in a tough situation. To get Jrue, we will have had to trade LeVert plus another player. Once he hits free agency, we will have to give him a 4 year max or it will mean we lost LeVert for just 1 year of Jrue.

Holiday is already 30. Do you really want to pay Jrue Holiday $30+ million when he’s 33 and 34? He’s already undersized for a SG.

LeVert is younger, costs half the price, he’s bigger, and just all around better than Jrue in every way.

[vincecarter4pres]

LOL I'm sorry you guys cant follow along but its pretty simple.

The way I view him is not the way the Pelicans will view him.

1. I don't view him as an All Star level player and do not want to trade for him based on the cost
2. The Pelicans do view him as that and will want more value back than just Levert

Like why is it so hard for you two to understand?

Try some critical thinking.

You're the one who wants to trade for freaking Tobias Harris, arguably the worst contract in the league after John Wall.

Listen, I can dig what you're saying about separating concepts/ideas, etc. and I'm not even in total disagreement with you on some aspects of this one, but you move the goalposts so much on stuff like this all the time it's often hard not to figuratively roll one's eyes at the devolvement of the conversation through a series of your posts.

It’s not hard to follow. Jrue is an established borderline NBA all-star. Caris is still making a name for himself in the NBA so of course the Pels will want a lot for him.

The problem for us is Jrue has only a year left on his deal, and then all the teams that miss out on Giannis, will start throwing ridiculous amounts of money at him.

Now that will put us in a tough situation. To get Jrue, we will have had to trade LeVert plus another player. Once he hits free agency, we will have to give him a 4 year max or it will mean we lost LeVert for just 1 year of Jrue.

Holiday is already 30. Do you really want to pay Jrue Holiday $30+ million when he’s 33 and 34? He’s already undersized for a SG.

LeVert is younger, costs half the price, he’s bigger, and just all around better than Jrue in every way.

You had me til this.

How much longer will Jrue be better than Caris? That is a question which only a psychic can predict, but is worthy to debate anyway. But as of now, Jrue is better than Caris by a fair margin and fits this roster a lot better with a healthy KD and Kyrie and even Dinwiddie.

But if I was a betting man I’d think the Pels would actually prefer something like Dinwiddie, Prince and a 1st and/or Claxton or Rodi for him, instead of the same with Caris, because of Ingram.

[ProspectPark]

Listen, I can dig what you're saying about separating concepts/ideas, etc. and I'm not even in total disagreement with you on some aspects of this one, but you move the goalposts so much on stuff like this all the time it's often hard not to figuratively roll one's eyes at the devolvement of the conversation through a series of your posts.

It’s not hard to follow. Jrue is an established borderline NBA all-star. Caris is still making a name for himself in the NBA so of course the Pels will want a lot for him.

The problem for us is Jrue has only a year left on his deal, and then all the teams that miss out on Giannis, will start throwing ridiculous amounts of money at him.

Now that will put us in a tough situation. To get Jrue, we will have had to trade LeVert plus another player. Once he hits free agency, we will have to give him a 4 year max or it will mean we lost LeVert for just 1 year of Jrue.

Holiday is already 30. Do you really want to pay Jrue Holiday $30+ million when he’s 33 and 34? He’s already undersized for a SG.

LeVert is younger, costs half the price, he’s bigger, and just all around better than Jrue in every way.

You had me til this.

How much longer will Jrue be better than Caris? That is a question which only a psychic can predict, but is worthy to debate anyway. But as of now, Jrue is better than Caris by a fair margin and fits this roster a lot better with a healthy KD and Kyrie and even Dinwiddie.

But if I was a betting man I’d think the Pels would actually prefer something like Dinwiddie, Prince and a 1st and/or Claxton or Rodi for him, instead of the same with Caris, because of Ingram.

He shot 35% from 3 this year and 32% last year.
From the free throw line this year he shot 70%.

The free throw numbers alone are a red flag. I wouldn’t trust him in clutch situations.

[Prokorov]

Holiday hasn't even made the All Star team in 7 years.

Are you really going to knock Jrue for not making the all-star team in the west? in a conference where even Damian Lillard was often left off the team? Where Curry/Harden/Westbrook/Paul/Kobe (voted in) where regular locks? How many all-star games have dinwiddie or levert made again?

Also what do you mean his contract is expiring next season? He has an option for 2022 for 27 million.

Its a lock he opts out for 1 more large deal, taking extra years and total dollars over average annual value

I'm not paying that much for a non-All Star when we can get a role player who does most of what he does for much less.

Please enlighten me to these role players who are going to give you 20/7 while making the all-defensive team?