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Carlos Boozer
2009-10 Statistics
PPG 19.7 RPG 11.30 APG 3.2 BPG 0.5
Amar'e Stoudemire
2009-10 Statistics
PPG 22.9 RPG 8.80 APG 1.0 BPG 1.0
I was just wondering who you guys think would be a better fit for the NETS.I've been leaning toward Boozer lately because he played hard all year and he gives you 10+ rebounds everynight.He's like RT's moose with benefits because he can score.I'm just worried that both of these guys could hurt Brook's development.I think we're going to end up with one these guys this summer.
2009-10 Statistics
PPG 19.7 RPG 11.30 APG 3.2 BPG 0.5
Amar'e Stoudemire
2009-10 Statistics
PPG 22.9 RPG 8.80 APG 1.0 BPG 1.0
I was just wondering who you guys think would be a better fit for the NETS.I've been leaning toward Boozer lately because he played hard all year and he gives you 10+ rebounds everynight.He's like RT's moose with benefits because he can score.I'm just worried that both of these guys could hurt Brook's development.I think we're going to end up with one these guys this summer.
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I really like the way Boozer has played this year, but I think Amare would be the better fit for our team. The thing about them is that they're gonna cost us a max contract to lure them here.
I would rather try and lure both Gay and Lee here at 12 mil each then get just Boozer or Amare. I think will fit nicely next to Brook. He is unselfish doesn't demand the ball, is an excellent rebounder/hustle guy, runs the floor well and finishes with both hands, and is a above average passer which will help Brook get easy baskets. Yes he has his limitations on D but Booz and Amare aren't exactly classified as good defenders. Lee honestly seems like the best fit. Boozer and Amare will take touches away from Brook in the post.
Wall/T. Will
Lee/CDR
Gay/T.Will
Lee/Yi
Lopez/Dallas 1st.
Thats what I want to see next year.
I would rather try and lure both Gay and Lee here at 12 mil each then get just Boozer or Amare. I think will fit nicely next to Brook. He is unselfish doesn't demand the ball, is an excellent rebounder/hustle guy, runs the floor well and finishes with both hands, and is a above average passer which will help Brook get easy baskets. Yes he has his limitations on D but Booz and Amare aren't exactly classified as good defenders. Lee honestly seems like the best fit. Boozer and Amare will take touches away from Brook in the post.
Wall/T. Will
Lee/CDR
Gay/T.Will
Lee/Yi
Lopez/Dallas 1st.
Thats what I want to see next year.
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You know I've been having a lot of problems recently figuring out what to do with the Nets frontcourt. My main concern comes down to the type of player we want next to Brook but by "type" I don't mean one that spreads the floor so the paint won't get clogged for Brook to work. I'm more concerned about the "type" of player in terms of touches on offense. That is where I come into issues with both Boozer and Amare:
Amare:
Explosive even after microfracture (I'm not gonna talk about those concerns here though for now) and has extended his range almost out to the 3pt line with consistency but has the ball handling skills to put it on the ground and attack the paint. Problem is the guy is going to demand touches. He's complained at times even when the Suns were one of the better teams in the West about lack of touches. I don't think he has an ounce of leadership skills either. People compare his personality to Kmart at times, but Kmart motivated everyone on our team but KVH and I don't see Amare doing that. With a young team, leadership is key and Amare isn't my first choice because of that.
Boozer:
Efficient scorer, decent rebounder, solid midrange. Can put up 20-10 on any given night. I believe he's not gonna complain about touches as long as he is 1) paid and 2 winning. He totally can still put up 15-11 with limited touches which is ok with me, but his range is pretty weak in my opinion and that could possibly clog up the paint for Brook.
If the Nets got either of these guys, I wouldn't be angry but I would be weary. The problem is, I don't see a guy in the league I an 100% comfortable playing next to Brook. I'm looking for a David Robinson kind of guy. A guy who can still play at an elite level when called upon, buy into a team concept and understand Brook is our guy in the front court. Boozer and Amare can't play a lick of defense in my opinion which concerns me too. I know when I say D-Rob we're talking about a hall of famer, but we need a guy to play D on the best big man on the floor each night to give Brook a break, but when called upon offensively the guy can put up points, attack the rim, crash the boards.
Of course, problem is, I don't really see many guys like that in the NBA or one like that we could really get. I'm really intrigued to see what we do this offseason because I'm completely clueless on what we should do at the 4 position right now. If I had to choose between the 2 I honestly think Boozer is a better option chemistry-wise, but I'd take a change on Amare's knees if it was my money and hope he learns how to play defense. I just see red flags I don't like for both of them.
We'll see what happens.
Amare:
Explosive even after microfracture (I'm not gonna talk about those concerns here though for now) and has extended his range almost out to the 3pt line with consistency but has the ball handling skills to put it on the ground and attack the paint. Problem is the guy is going to demand touches. He's complained at times even when the Suns were one of the better teams in the West about lack of touches. I don't think he has an ounce of leadership skills either. People compare his personality to Kmart at times, but Kmart motivated everyone on our team but KVH and I don't see Amare doing that. With a young team, leadership is key and Amare isn't my first choice because of that.
Boozer:
Efficient scorer, decent rebounder, solid midrange. Can put up 20-10 on any given night. I believe he's not gonna complain about touches as long as he is 1) paid and 2 winning. He totally can still put up 15-11 with limited touches which is ok with me, but his range is pretty weak in my opinion and that could possibly clog up the paint for Brook.
If the Nets got either of these guys, I wouldn't be angry but I would be weary. The problem is, I don't see a guy in the league I an 100% comfortable playing next to Brook. I'm looking for a David Robinson kind of guy. A guy who can still play at an elite level when called upon, buy into a team concept and understand Brook is our guy in the front court. Boozer and Amare can't play a lick of defense in my opinion which concerns me too. I know when I say D-Rob we're talking about a hall of famer, but we need a guy to play D on the best big man on the floor each night to give Brook a break, but when called upon offensively the guy can put up points, attack the rim, crash the boards.
Of course, problem is, I don't really see many guys like that in the NBA or one like that we could really get. I'm really intrigued to see what we do this offseason because I'm completely clueless on what we should do at the 4 position right now. If I had to choose between the 2 I honestly think Boozer is a better option chemistry-wise, but I'd take a change on Amare's knees if it was my money and hope he learns how to play defense. I just see red flags I don't like for both of them.
We'll see what happens.

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I'd take Boozer, but neither of these guys is worth a max contract. Amar'e is a me first headcase and he will never learn to play defense, it's too late for that. That said, Boozer is too small to succesfully defend most in the league at his position either, but at least he tries, if that means anything.

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Rockice_8 wrote:I really like the way Boozer has played this year, but I think Amare would be the better fit for our team. The thing about them is that they're gonna cost us a max contract to lure them here.
I would rather try and lure both Gay and Lee here at 12 mil each then get just Boozer or Amare. I think will fit nicely next to Brook. He is unselfish doesn't demand the ball, is an excellent rebounder/hustle guy, runs the floor well and finishes with both hands, and is a above average passer which will help Brook get easy baskets. Yes he has his limitations on D but Booz and Amare aren't exactly classified as good defenders. Lee honestly seems like the best fit. Boozer and Amare will take touches away from Brook in the post.
Wall/T. Will
Lee/CDR
Gay/T.Will
Lee/Yi
Lopez/Dallas 1st.
Thats what I want to see next year.
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That is my dream lineup for next season.
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Rockice_8 wrote:I really like the way Boozer has played this year, but I think Amare would be the better fit for our team. The thing about them is that they're gonna cost us a max contract to lure them here.
I would rather try and lure both Gay and Lee here at 12 mil each then get just Boozer or Amare. I think will fit nicely next to Brook. He is unselfish doesn't demand the ball, is an excellent rebounder/hustle guy, runs the floor well and finishes with both hands, and is a above average passer which will help Brook get easy baskets. Yes he has his limitations on D but Booz and Amare aren't exactly classified as good defenders. Lee honestly seems like the best fit. Boozer and Amare will take touches away from Brook in the post.
Wall/T. Will
Lee/CDR
Gay/T.Will
Lee/Yi
Lopez/Dallas 1st.
Thats what I want to see next year.
So what happened to Devin Harris? I honestly would rather get Joe Johnson and Amare. I think that gives a more athletic lineup, although I wouldnt be disappointed in signing David Lee. Assuming the Nets win the lotto:
Harris/Williams/Wall
Wall/Lee/CDR
JJ/CDR
Amare/Yi
Lopez/Your guess is as good as mine
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I'd take either over Lee.
Lee is one of the biggest stat padders in the NBA. When he gets less touches, the Knicks are in a better position to Win. Take the Warriors game.. Dude got 37,20,10 yet still lost. I don't want Lee on this team.
Lee is one of the biggest stat padders in the NBA. When he gets less touches, the Knicks are in a better position to Win. Take the Warriors game.. Dude got 37,20,10 yet still lost. I don't want Lee on this team.
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I'd take Lee if he comes cheap, but I think someone's gonna overpay for him this summer and I hope it's not us.
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Revolutionistt wrote:Rockice_8 wrote:I really like the way Boozer has played this year, but I think Amare would be the better fit for our team. The thing about them is that they're gonna cost us a max contract to lure them here.
I would rather try and lure both Gay and Lee here at 12 mil each then get just Boozer or Amare. I think will fit nicely next to Brook. He is unselfish doesn't demand the ball, is an excellent rebounder/hustle guy, runs the floor well and finishes with both hands, and is a above average passer which will help Brook get easy baskets. Yes he has his limitations on D but Booz and Amare aren't exactly classified as good defenders. Lee honestly seems like the best fit. Boozer and Amare will take touches away from Brook in the post.
Wall/T. Will
Lee/CDR
Gay/T.Will
Lee/Yi
Lopez/Dallas 1st.
Thats what I want to see next year.
So what happened to Devin Harris? I honestly would rather get Joe Johnson and Amare. I think that gives a more athletic lineup, although I wouldnt be disappointed in signing David Lee. Assuming the Nets win the lotto:
Harris/Williams/Wall
Wall/Lee/CDR
JJ/CDR
Amare/Yi
Lopez/Your guess is as good as mine
OR
Wall/Harris/Williams
CDR/Lee/Williams
Gay/Williams
Lee/Yi
Lopez/ Dallas Pick
I think Harris is better coming off the bench. Having CDR at the 2 gives us great length.
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jeff1624 wrote:I'd take either over Lee.
Lee is one of the biggest stat padders in the NBA. When he gets less touches, the Knicks are in a better position to Win. Take the Warriors game.. Dude got 37,20,10 yet still lost. I don't want Lee on this team.
I think a lot of Lee's "stat padding" is due to the fact that he's the best player on a lousy team along with the pace D'Antoni plays. Even before D'Antoni came to NY, he was an elite rebounder in this league. Also, while he will likely never been an asset defensively, I think he'll be much better on that end as a traditional PF rather than the defacto center he is now.
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id rather have boozer but not worth the maxxxx
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Rockice_8 wrote:I really like the way Boozer has played this year, but I think Amare would be the better fit for our team. The thing about them is that they're gonna cost us a max contract to lure them here.
I would rather try and lure both Gay and Lee here at 12 mil each then get just Boozer or Amare. I think will fit nicely next to Brook. He is unselfish doesn't demand the ball, is an excellent rebounder/hustle guy, runs the floor well and finishes with both hands, and is a above average passer which will help Brook get easy baskets. Yes he has his limitations on D but Booz and Amare aren't exactly classified as good defenders. Lee honestly seems like the best fit. Boozer and Amare will take touches away from Brook in the post.
Wall/T. Will
Lee/CDR
Gay/T.Will
Lee/Yi
Lopez/Dallas 1st.
Thats what I want to see next year.
I'd honestly rather just start Twill and Humphries than pay 24 mill per year on Lee and Gay.To me its just not a big enough upgrade to tie up all that cap space because we still won't have a leader or a go to guy to close out games.Since we're most likely not going to get LBJ or Dwade i would offer JoeJohn a 4 year VC type deal.I still think Boozer is a better fit than Stoudemire because I feel he's more of a team player that wouldn't mind sacrificing touches for the good of the team.He'll still get you 10+ rebounds with limited touches.I don't want to give him max money but then again it's not my money and if it doesn't work out RT will find a way to trade him or dump him.
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Doesn't sound like Amare is interested in leaving:
Van Pelt: Where do you see your future in this league right now?
Stoudemire: "I see it in Phoenix, if you ask me."
Van Pelt: "Is that where you want to be?"
Stoudemire: "Yeah."
Van Pelt: Where do you see your future in this league right now?
Stoudemire: "I see it in Phoenix, if you ask me."
Van Pelt: "Is that where you want to be?"
Stoudemire: "Yeah."
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It's just more PR BS, players, teams, etc. always talk about how they want to remain where they are but when the offseason really hits $$$ talks.
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Yeah you'll NEVER hear a player say he's opting out until he actually opts out. I am 100% sure he opts out. If he wasn't, he would have signed an extension already. Now, if he resigns with the Suns after he opts out, I wouldn't be surprised. I think it's a 50/50 shot right now with the Suns, I think the Knicks may be an option because Amare has a man-crush on D'Antoni's offense. I think the Nets would be Amare's third or 4th choice.

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On negotiating an extension with the Suns: "I think we can work something out, we definitely want to make sure it's fair on both ends," said Stoudemire.
Suns beat writer Paul Coro wrote two weeks ago that Amare said "he has put off contract-extension talks until the off-season because he does not want them to be a distraction."
Suns beat writer Paul Coro wrote two weeks ago that Amare said "he has put off contract-extension talks until the off-season because he does not want them to be a distraction."
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wow I cant even explain how much I would want Stat...I would get season tickets.
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Mr. Sun wrote:On negotiating an extension with the Suns: "I think we can work something out, we definitely want to make sure it's fair on both ends," said Stoudemire.
Suns beat writer Paul Coro wrote two weeks ago that Amare said "he has put off contract-extension talks until the off-season because he does not want them to be a distraction."
I'm not saying the Suns don't have a good shot at resigning Amar'e but this same crap goes down each year it's all just talk...
(Also Amar'e putting off contract-extension talks works against your argument not in favor of it)
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Amar'e is going to end up in NY or Miami.If he wants to win he'll sign with Miami as long as Dwade stays.
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AZRepublic: "Asked Sunday if a contract extension with Phoenix is still a possibility, Stoudemire said, 'Absolutely.' Many close to Stoudemire feel like he does not want to leave the city where he has been raising a family and the only franchise he has ever known."
"We'll talk about that (extension) later on," Stoudemire said.
Mind you, the Suns never rejected Amare's counter extension offer in Feb. Both sides agreed they would take it up in the off season.
"We'll talk about that (extension) later on," Stoudemire said.
Mind you, the Suns never rejected Amare's counter extension offer in Feb. Both sides agreed they would take it up in the off season.