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Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:33 pm
by kasino
If the Nets were to strike out the max FA during the summer of 2010 would you want them to go the OKC route?
It all starts with Lopez as the foundation of this team. His style might not be the most entertaining but he will always be a consistent low post player and anchor to the defense. He i is a 20/10 player that could turn out to be the next Tim Duncan.
Hopefully John Wall is drafted by the Nets. The team gets a potential top 5 pg that can take over games and in a perimeter oriented league will be a beloved star.
Those 2 players would be the equivalent of OKC's Durant/Westbrook combo.
I personally love Terrence Williams and would like him to start at shooting-gaurd. It could be argued that he is equal or better than OKC's James Harden but I wouldn't say worst. Also Lee could be as good as Thabo.
If Wall is drafted Devin Harris could be traded for a sf or pf to try to full out the starting 5.

OKC's core have been playing together since being drafted and havent brought in anyone that might disturb thier development of young talent which might have helped to their quick rebuilding.

My question is------Is signing a max FA in 2010 or 11' is needed or could the team deal with drafting good players and changing the culture until they are ready to push for contention?
pg.Wall
sg.T-Will/Lee
sf.Harris trade or 2011 pick
pf.Harris trade or 2011 pick
c. Lopez
of course I would like to have feed back and improvements to the idea such as:
buying picks to fasten the process of finding a forward
trading Harris for an upcoming rookie or Beasley(which I mentioned in another thread)

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:58 pm
by Jersey Generals
I've always wanted them to go the route of the draft. Unless Bosh or Lebron come, which they won't, then I don't want to sign anyone until next year, when we see if T-Will is a keeper or not. I think, if John Wall is drafted by the Nets, then they shouldn't sign anyone since the age difference between our core and the new player would be (probably) so different that by the time we're really ready to contend, the signed player will be out of his prime.

Just my two cents.

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:48 am
by kasino
thats exactly what I'm saying. Trade harris for younger talent to fill in the starting SF and PF spots. I wanted to know if it was a good idea and if so who do you have in mind? I'm guesing that the team could buy picks in this upcoming draft and if not there must beways to get players off teams with all this cash.

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:14 am
by vincecarter4pres
There are rumblings coming out of Miami that they may try to get rid of literally every contract on their roster save Dwayne Wade, Mario Chalmers and their 18th overall pick if they have a real shot at 2 max players plus Wade, or 1 max and two more big impact guys.
I don't think it's very realistic and think it's more media hype, you would have to fill out your entire bench and even a starting spot with leage minimum guys, even if it's for just one year. Also, the way they would achieve this cap room would drain them of any current or future trade assets.
On top of this, if any of these guys went down with a serious injury they're really F-ed.

But, I digress. I am really concerned with what a percieved trade would be to rid themselves of these contracts and how we would get involved.
Miami would need a team such as us with big cap space to absorb their contracts.

One writers idea of the trade would be:
Beasley/James Jones/Cook/future 1st for pure cap space.

At first it sounds a little crazy, getting rid of the 2nd overall pick from 2 years ago and including a future 1st for nothing but cap space, but then think of what the Knicks gave up just to clear Jefferies. Then you have to think long and hard about how disappointing Beasley has been and all his off court issues and character concerns.
Then the coup de grace. James Jones horrific long term contract. James Jones is a pretty terrible player that once got paid way more than he should have(he should have been paid nothing and been shipped to some small Euro league) because he lit it up from 3 and defended well for a very brief period. He now sports a 36% FG and can't seem to stay on the court long. The scary part is he is paid a touch under 15 million over the next 3 years(Yikes!). It is partially unguaranteed if he is waived by June 30th, but NJ and Miami can only agree in principal to a trade by that date and it would become official on July 8th. I assume(I believe correctly) that this means we would be stuck with him.

So there lies the question. Is Beasley and a future pick even worth all that cap space?
Is he destined to be a bust or will he suddenly(or slowly) breakout here?

So just for deuces and giggles lets assume we go the basically all draft and trade for young guys route. What should we attempt next? How about revisiting that Memphis trade?
Again, I am honestly not sure if it's realistic. Their fans on here almost all hate it, but if their FO really does wind up choosing between Gay and Mayo and chooses Gay, in real life it might have some legs. I really don't even know if I can convince myself if this is possible, but...

Mayo/Conley for Harris/Lee/CDR

For Memphis, Harris is a massive upgrade to Conley IMO. On the other hand, Lee and/or CDR are a massive downgrade from Mayo.
Just assuming they did this, if we don't wind up with Wall we go after a point guard with our likely high lottery pick again, maybe Brandon Knight or Kyrie Irving.
If we land Wall, scary long term lineup.

Even throw that trade out the window and there are still a ton of options for a Harris trade.

But think about theselineups for a year +:
PG Wall
SG Mayo
SF ????
PF Beasley
C Lopez

PG Conley
SG Mayo
SF Turner
PF Beasley
C Lopez

PG Harris
SG Turner
SF ???
PF Beasley
C Lopez

PG Wall
SG Lee
SF ????
PF Beasley
C Lopez
With Harris as a trade chip

None of these are likely to win much next season, but they have a hell of a long term outlook.

Yeah, it's fun to think about this type of rebuild too.

It'll be easier to start coming up with scenarios once we know the draft order on May 18th.

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:23 pm
by S.I.C. GM
I really dont know about Beasley.

If we get the #1 or #2 pick, we would have to address the PF situation. D. Lee would fit but if he wants $10+ mill. I would rather trade crap for Beasley. Maybe coming to a young team would be better for him. Less Pressure. He would be the 3 or 4 guy on this team.

Turner, Lee, Twill, Beasley, Lopez works for me. Twill and Turner sharing the point. Lee playing his best Kittles role. We would hope that Beasley plays a similar role to K-Mart (Yes I am stretching here.) Yeah I did exclude Harris. I am for trading Harris for another lottery pick. If we can get another young big in this draft like Monroe or Patterson to come off the bench.

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:38 pm
by Preludepunk27
I read the article on Nets Daily about Miami trying to possibly unload Beasley for pure cap space.

That is literally the only way I'd take a chance on him. I don't deny his potential, but I'm not giving up anything of decent value for the kid like Miami fans think he's worth. Beasley would play the 3 though in my opinion. He'll seriously have to work on his personal drive to succeed though. The talent is clearly there, the drive...not so much.

With that said, I'd still rather take Patrick Patterson than trade for Beasley though. But that's me clearly being biased. Patrick has the talent but also the drive and the leadership qualities that Beasley NEVER showed.

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:16 am
by kasino
it doesn't have to be Beasley just young talent that you think Harris can be traded for.

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:24 am
by vincecarter4pres
Man, I wish we could land Jennings for Harris.
Then draft Evan Turner.
Then trade Courtney Lee, CDR, Dallas 1st for a late lotto and draft Xavier Henry.
Then draft Gani Lawal with our second rounder.
Then absorb all that salary for Beasley.
Then trade Beasley for Derrick Favors.
Then sign Rudy Gay(Not even a huge fan of his, but his age and skillset would fit the lineup)

PG Brandon Jennings
SG Evan Turner
SF Rudy Gay
PF Derrick Favors
C Brook Lopez
Bench: Terrence Williams, Xavier Henry, Gani Lawal, whoever else

That team is so young, they would get smoked for like two seasons. :lol:
But with a really good coach, after that period, they would dominate. :lift:

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:13 am
by vincecarter4pres
The title of this thread is sort of ironic.
A season or two ago this would have been titled, "Nets could be PDX East".

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:42 pm
by SteveNets15
^^^true.I hope we get lucky and draft a superstar.

Re: Nets could be OKC east.....

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:43 pm
by kasino
the title isn't my best work but people love OKC and well I would like them to love the Nets.
anywho this lineup vince made is amazing
PG Wall
SG Mayo
SF ????
PF Beasley
C Lopez
Coach K could turn them into (50 win Team)East.