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I'm not the biggest fan of Michael Beasley, he's a liability on defense, but he is still a huge prospect being the 2nd pick in the draft only a few years ago. Only one the few trades I would include Harris in would be if we got the first pick, got Wall, and did a sign and trade for Bosh or Stoudamire. Another might be for Beasley What would everyones opinions be in a trade with Harris for Beasley. It would also save us around another $4 million for free agents.

I would through a hissyfit out of anger for the deal. This team needs solid vet leadership to who can actually start (sorry Jarvis and Keyon). YI/CDR is the best deal they'd ever get from me for Beasley. I know that isn't enough, but if we move Harris, I full expect it to be in a package with YI or CDR (or both) and maybe Keyon's small buyout contract or a future pick for a solid player with leadership skills who could help us.

Someone will take a chance on Beasley obviously, but even if we draft Wall, I am not interested in that deal.

No thanks to trading Harris for Beasley.

Prelude, if you are looking for veteran leadership from Harris we are screwed.

Haha Sic. Nah last week I made a comment that Harris clearly can not be a leader on this team. He is a good "leader by committee" but we don't have a "LEADER" like we did with JKidd. I mentioned if we get #2 and take Turner we still shop Harris in a package to try to land CP3 or even take a chance on Tony Parker (who would be perfect to help Brook since we compare his potential to borderline TD-levels in his prime). With George Hill coming into his own on that team, I think we could find a 3 team deal to end up with Tony P. Attendance will go up based on Eva being at games. We'll make more money off of that than the "money" we apparently make off of Yi.

What kinda S&T would you put together for bosh?

Eh I don't know. We'd have to give up Twill I'm sure. A lot of our packages revolve around landing #1.

You never know though...say we land #3. I can see the Nets offering #3 (take Cousins)/CDR/Humphries/2010 2nd rounder/future 1st for Bosh. I still don't think that deal is fair to Toronto at all though.

Actually the deal isnt bad. The #3 pick (cousins) is good for them. But I doubt they want humphries. They recently got rid of him. I dont think they want cdr also. BUT the picks are wat makes the deal.

spade57 wrote:Actually the deal isnt bad. The #3 pick (cousins) is good for them. But I doubt they want humphries. They recently got rid of him. I dont think they want cdr also. BUT the picks are wat makes the deal.

Only reason I put Hump in there is because if we don't land John Wall, we'll probably need to hold onto Devin Harris...Hump is like our next most expensive contract lol. Moving hump would clear money for us to go get another big name player I think.

Anyone want to check on that?

We need to do this deal
"ESPN's Chris Sheridan suggests in fact that the Heat could clear every contract but Wade's, including Michael Beasley's...with some help for the Nets. With New Jersey even further under the cap, Sheridan wrote that they --or the Timberwolves-- might be willing to take on Beasley, the disappointing but talented #2 pick in the 2008 draft. "Miami offers Beasley, Daequan Cook, James Jones, $3 million and a future No. 1" to the Nets for "basically nothing." A swap of future second round picks could do the trick, for example." - from Netsdaily

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/32077

I'd laugh it that ever happened. Like our 2011 and 2012 2nd rounder for that AND we'd get a future 1st.

Preludepunk27 wrote:Eh I don't know. We'd have to give up Twill I'm sure. A lot of our packages revolve around landing #1.

You never know though...say we land #3. I can see the Nets offering #3 (take Cousins)/CDR/Humphries/2010 2nd rounder/future 1st for Bosh. I still don't think that deal is fair to Toronto at all though.

Hell no to giving all that up for an unrestricted Bosh.
He will likely bring back something like a 1st rounder or two(and definitely not our lotto pick, more like the Dallas 1st and a future protected), maybe CDR or Lee and a huge TPE.

Preludepunk27 wrote:I'd laugh it that ever happened. Like our 2011 and 2012 2nd rounder for that AND we'd get a future 1st.

It's all about cap-space for them, and they've shown they've given up on Beasley. We'll see guys haha that'd be sooo sick if it happened though.

Pugsley_2491 wrote:We need to do this deal
"ESPN's Chris Sheridan suggests in fact that the Heat could clear every contract but Wade's, including Michael Beasley's...with some help for the Nets. With New Jersey even further under the cap, Sheridan wrote that they --or the Timberwolves-- might be willing to take on Beasley, the disappointing but talented #2 pick in the 2008 draft. "Miami offers Beasley, Daequan Cook, James Jones, $3 million and a future No. 1" to the Nets for "basically nothing." A swap of future second round picks could do the trick, for example." - from Netsdaily

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/32077

The Knicks would give the Nets Beasley, a future first round pick, $3 mill, and filler for a future second round pick???

In what dimension does that seem realistic? Maybe if the Nets including their first round draft pick from this year's draft as well, but not for the suggested deal. There are other teams with cap space that could take on contracts as well.

Pugsley_2491 wrote:We need to do this deal
"ESPN's Chris Sheridan suggests in fact that the Heat could clear every contract but Wade's, including Michael Beasley's...with some help for the Nets. With New Jersey even further under the cap, Sheridan wrote that they --or the Timberwolves-- might be willing to take on Beasley, the disappointing but talented #2 pick in the 2008 draft. "Miami offers Beasley, Daequan Cook, James Jones, $3 million and a future No. 1" to the Nets for "basically nothing." A swap of future second round picks could do the trick, for example." - from Netsdaily

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/32077

I'm not crazy about Beasley or anyone else in this deal, but if it only costs us pure capspace, it might be the best bang for our buck. The ONLY caveat here is that we CANNOT jeopardize max capspace. Beasley, Jones and Cook constitute almost $12mil in '10-'11 salary. We should be around $25mil under the cap, and if we are serious about offering a max contract, we CANNOT give up more than $8mil. I know many Nets fans around here want to roll over and not even try to go for a max FA. For one, that's a loser's mentality. Two, I honestly feel like this rumor has some legs, but I think Pat Riley is up to his old tricks. If we take on all $12mil from those 3 players, we not only give the Heat room to sign a 2nd max FA AFTER Wade, we also take ourselves off the market. He's trying to push us off of the max FA plank, so to speak, so that there are less available locations other than Miami for Wade and any other max FA to go.

"Beasley-for-Freesley" sounds like sweet deal, but if we end up with no significant FA while the Heat re-sign Wade and nab Johnson and Bosh too, we'll be the suckers in this scenario.

^^I don't get what you're implying?
The Knicks just sent out their 8th overall pick, and two future picks to clear a one year contract of about 7 million.
Beasley and a future 1st to take on about 12 million this offseason, taking us out of the max free agent race, and another 17 million over the following two seasons seems about right, especially with all the negatives Beasley has going for him and how absolutely putrid James Jones contract becomes once it's fully guaranteed.
I scoffed at the idea at first as well(from a Miami perspective), then I thought it through. It falls in line with the other financially motivated trades that have been taking place recently.

Edit: This is in reply to the Knicks poster.

KnicksScholar24 wrote:The Knicks would give the Nets Beasley, a future first round pick, $3 mill, and filler for a future second round pick???

In what dimension does that seem realistic? Maybe if the Nets including their first round draft pick from this year's draft as well, but not for the suggested deal. There are other teams with cap space that could take on contracts as well.

You meant to say the Heat, but your Knicks are a prime example of how this deal could happen.

New York just traded Curry, an under-performing recent lotto bigman (Hill), an unprotected '12 1st and a swap of '11 1sts to Houston, for a 3-month rental of T-Mac, who D'Antoni has no intention of re-signing. The only thing that would make this deal worthwhile for NYK is if they do sign two max FAs who are worth their contract. Comparatively, I don't think NJN gets as much from MIA as HOU did from NYK. The bigger problem for me doing this deal is that Houston was never a real player in the 2010 free agency, while we are. Riley has pulled off some pretty slick deals in the past, and I'd hate for the Nets to be his next victim. If I were Thorn, I would stand rigid about keeping max capspace, if only for the *chance* to sign a max FA. We could spin off Yi or something to a 3rd team. But UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do I want the New Jersey Nets playing patsy for Pat Riley.

ecuhus1981 wrote:but I think Pat Riley is up to his old tricks. If we take on all $12mil from those 3 players, we not only give the Heat room to sign a 2nd max FA AFTER Wade, we also take ourselves off the market. He's trying to push us off of the max FA plank, so to speak, so that there are less available locations other than Miami for Wade and any other max FA to go.

"Beasley-for-Freesley" sounds like sweet deal, but if we end up with no significant FA while the Heat re-sign Wade and nab Johnson and Bosh too, we'll be the suckers in this scenario.

Exactly.
Is Beasley really worth it?
I am not convinced we'll be able to nab anyone of the top guys in FA, but it kills any chance of it.
I would be more enthralled by this deal if we could say, flip Beasley for a Kevin Love, Derrick Favors, Cousins or Steph Curry for example, but I think that's somewhat of a pipe dream.

ecuhus1981 wrote:The ONLY caveat here is that we CANNOT jeopardize max capspace. Beasley, Jones and Cook constitute almost $12mil in '10-'11 salary. We should be around $25mil under the cap, and if we are serious about offering a max contract, we CANNOT give up more than $8mil.

I think you are a tiny bit off in your assessment. The max players are
Lebron, Wade - no chance for us
JJ, Bosh - not worth the max
Amare

Our main (and most realistic) targets from what i understand will be Lee, Gay, Boozer and Amare. Despite what CDR may think, Amare is not the most realistic one. I personally would prefer him last, so by not being able to offer MAX money we are only really risking Amare.

The other guys will get contracts ***starting at 11-13 mil, which we will be able to afford with the Miami deal. We could actually afford 2 them if we dont do the deal but i think its not the best idea.

Either way we should only consider this Miami deal after a bunch of things happen.

1) Draft lottery.
Depends who we draft. If its anyone other then Wall then i dont see much sense in the Miami deal. With Turner there wont be a room for Cook or Jones to even get minutes. With Cousins or Favors there is not need for Beasley.

2) We go after our main targets.

A) Sign PF AND Gay
B) If we strike out, just do the Miami deal
C) SIgn PF AND do the Miami deal

This last 1 we gotta be VERY careful with and make sure that the guys we fill out the rest of the roster with and Jones's contract will still leave us room for Melo in 2011.

I don't see how drafting Turner would effect the Miami deal, Jones and Cook will not get minutes anyway, they're both hot trash douced in gasoline, lit on fire, then thrown in a steel drum.

I disagree, both are serviceable as 3 point shooters off the bench. 15-20 minutes. I would definitely play Jones over CDR.

Just found out that he has a buy out too

Jones can be bought out of his 2010-11 contract for $1.86 million by June 30, in which case he would receive a similar sum in each of the ensuing two seasons on his contract, as well.

With that news i say go for it.

1 thing to consider is that we only have 7 guys under contract + 2 rookies. Minimum is 12 if i'm not mistaken. I dont wanna fill out the roster with Dleaguers like the Knicks, and i dont think many people will be signing on as 1 year rentals (if we plan to have cap for 2011). This way we can add 3 guys that are guaranteed to come off the books in 2011.

Devin/Wall
Lee/Cook/CDR
Jones/Twitt
Beasley/Humph/#27
Lopez/Yi

Thats 12 guys. Still room to add Lee/Boozer and cap space for Melo no matter what.

Or better yet, look at these trade peaces. Cook/CDR/Beasley/Humph/Yi all expiring! + Devin. Tons of flexibility.