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Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:38 am
by I Hate Names
I feel like Bynum is going to be shopped this year because the Lakers need to cut down on a bit of salary and also need to add a point guard. I think New Jersey would pull a Bynum for Harris trade because they instantly get a nice match up against Dwight Howard in the playoffs and their front line is set for the next 5-6 years.
John Wall
Max FA
Terrence Williams/Courtney Lee
Brook Lopez
Andrew Bynum
would be a sick team.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:48 am
by vincecarter4pres
Well, there are people that think that Lopez could succeed at the 4.
This is really good value for Harris regardless, our FO would pull the trigger on this fast and then reshop Bynum if things weren't working out with him and Lopez.
Don't see LAL doing this though...
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:53 am
by Jersey Generals
I'd do it, just because the value is so good. Though, Lopez playing the four is a no go, he doesn't have the lateral quickness needed.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:15 am
by deviljets7
I have serious questions about Bynum's health and the ability of him and Lopez being able to co-exist. However the value is just way too good to pass this deal up. All things being equal I'd rather flip Bynum to a 3rd team.
It's all a moot point since I doubt the Lakers go along with this.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:00 pm
by Preludepunk27
Honestly, I'm not touching that deal with a 50 foot pole.
I don't think Bynum or Lopez can really play the 4. They are both better playing the 5 clearly. Having them on the court together would be completely (Please Use More Appropriate Word) in my opinion.
I'm not even going to get into the "injury" conversation with Bynum.
But no, I would never trade Harris for Bynum. I'd rather pull a Chicago and have Harris play SG even though he's not an SG.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:36 pm
by Rockice_8
Absoultely you jump on that deal. You always go big over small and Bynum has more value then Harris, not to metion Harris isn't exactly an ironman himself.
Bynum and Lopez absoultely can not play togther though. Bynum would instantly need to be flipped to a 3rd team like for Josh Smith.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:06 pm
by SpeedyG
Only way this works is if it's a 3 team deal with BYnum going elsewhere.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:23 pm
by ecuhus1981
3rd team needed, but yeah, I like the ides of this deal.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:49 pm
by Preludepunk27
LAL/NJN/MEM: (no clue if these even match up but it's my "come up with a 3 team deal in 3 seconds" logic)
Nets Trade: Harris, CDR, Yi
Nets Recieve: Rudy Gay
Lakers Trade: Andrew Bynum
Lakers Receive: Devin Harris, Yi
Memphis Trades: Rudy Gay
Memphis Receives: Andrew Bynum, CDR
Sign that. I agree value wise, people are so illogically high on Bynum in the NBA that Devin for Bynum is a great move. But seriously, Bynum is Jon Bender basically in my eyes. Yes, he's obviously had a better career than Bender, but the guy won't be in the leage in 5 years unless they create artificial knees that can handle the stress a professional athlete puts on them. Though on paper it's a no brainer, I still feel it's completely pointless to do a trade like this. Even with the value, I view this as a "well if we can't get a better fit deal for us, let's try this experiment because it's too good to pass up."
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:17 pm
by TheNetsFan
Why would Memphis want Bynum?
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:57 pm
by ecuhus1981
And why would we want to trade for Gay?
One, we have bigger targets for FA swingmen this offseason. But if James and Johnson both fall through, then we would seek Rudy. BUT, we wouldn't trade for him. A healthy deal (6 years, $75mil) would scare away Memphis, and we would get to keep Devin and Yi.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:13 pm
by Jersey Generals
Trade Bynum to Atlanta, take either Smith or Horford.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:15 pm
by Rockice_8
Jersey Generals wrote:Trade Bynum to Atlanta, take either Smith or Horford.
This ^^
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:29 pm
by Preludepunk27
ecuhus1981 wrote:And why would we want to trade for Gay?
One, we have bigger targets for FA swingmen this offseason. But if James and Johnson both fall through, then we would seek Rudy. BUT, we wouldn't trade for him. A healthy deal (6 years, $75mil) would scare away Memphis, and we would get to keep Devin and Yi.
Moving Devin, CDR and Yi for Gay still keeps our cap room available for a legit PF. There are more PF's this free agency to go around than SF's. Gay is strong on both ends of the coach, can play well off the ball, and isn't even in his prime yet. We we miss out on Lebron and Wade, the talent pool drops significantly on the SG or SF position with free agents so it'd be wiser for us to use that space on a PF. As far as why we'd trade for Gay then, a lot of people in the league love him and he's still getting better and is a very coachable player. Pitches to the FA power foward will be a lot easier saying "We have Wall/Gay/Lopez and want you because with you we contend now and have a big window to continue contending" as opposed to "We have Wall and Lopez and with you, if you're patient for a year, we may be able to get another guy next season to contend." With the big name FA's they know they're gonna get paid so money becomes almost irrelevant. It's all about marketing when you get to that level. You are marketing the idea of the possibility of a championship. I've been saying for months now that we need to make a spash somehow before July 1st on the same level that the Celtics did with Ray Allen. Yes McHale and Ainge were buddies, but KG was not interested in the Celtics until they traded for Ray Allen to show they mean business. KG knew the window is short with that team due to age, but the potential of a championship was very high. Because of our Youth and assets, we have a longer window which will be appealing but more appealing if those FA's can look at our moves and be like "ok they want to ball now." Rudy Gay on a national level flies under the radar but players and coaches know if he goes to a contender, he is a legit 2 who works his tail off.
I'm just saying, I'm holding my breath on Lebron and Wade. Looking at other possible moves to make us more appealing, Rudy Gay is at the top of my list. We can have a very good nucleus locked up for a long time and these guys haven't even hit their ceiling yet. Doing something like adding Bynum for Harris is absolutely redundant to me and, in my opinion, pointless since there are other possibilities that make this team more appealing to free agents.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:36 pm
by Preludepunk27
Jersey Generals wrote:Trade Bynum to Atlanta, take either Smith or Horford.
I don't think you get the idea of trading Bynum? He's looking for a PG, not a guy to replay Horford or Smith. And honestly, I am incredibly low on Bynum because he can't stay healthy to save his life. Value wise, I truly believe the Lakers would have to give more than Bynum for Smith or Horford. At least they a) don't have injury concerns and b) prove it on the court. Bynum, though gaining consistancy, still goes through Yi-like stretches where he looks like Kwame Brown. He's the most overrated player in basketball. It's not totally his fault. Being on the Lakers makes that exaggerated. If he was on the Grizzlies, he'd just be an ordinary player who had a lot of potential but can't stay on the court. Instead, fans/media still drool over his potential because he's a Laker.
I'm telling you, this guy can't ball. He's not worth overpaying for in any capacity.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:41 pm
by Jersey Generals
^Dude, that went over your head, didn't it? The Nets trade Bynum to Atlanta for Horford or Smith.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:51 pm
by Preludepunk27
Jersey Generals wrote:Trade Bynum to Atlanta, take either Smith or Horford.
Dude tell me 100% of the planet would look at that and make out that we would be the one trading Bynum? I guess you were loosely linking this to the comment someone made about the need for a 3rd team, but the lack of any relation to that makes this comment completely ambiguous since you're making a comment to a post a few spots up with no quote or reference noted.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:57 pm
by Jersey Generals
The Nets could trade Bynum for either Smith or Horford.
Better?
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:27 pm
by Preludepunk27
Jersey Generals wrote:The Nets could trade Bynum for either Smith or Horford.
Better?
LOL much.
Re: Bynum for Harris?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:55 pm
by vincecarter4pres
Preludepunk27 wrote:Gay is strong on both ends of the court.
False.
Gay is a putrid defender.