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If you haven't heard, the Sixers have had discussions with teams looking to trade for the #2 pick, and the asking price is Elton Brand.

Lots of teams can offer 2011 expiring contracts, but that will take another whole year to come off of the Sixers' books. The Nets are one of a precious few with enough capspace to "eat" Elton's deal, which would remove Philly's financial burden immediately. Of course, if we just did that without sending out any salary, we wouldn't have capspace to sign a max FA. If only there was a way to keep max FA capspace, while absorbing Brand and the cap hold of the #2 pick...

Well, I think I've found it! I made a proposal on the Trades and Transactions board, named After Wall Goes #1, and I wanted to get Nets' fans reactions to the deal. Make no mistake, taking on Brand is a BIG risk, but if there's a team in the league that could make use of his talents, it's us. Thorn would get his "moose", and we'd get Evan (his middle name should be FREAKIN'!) Turner for our troubles.

Let me know what you think, in either this thread or the linked one. Thanks.

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Wow, 80 views and not a single reply? Must be a slow Saturday...

No, not willing to acquire Brand for anything. It was discussed in one of the other threads.

demens wrote:No, not willing to acquire Brand for anything. It was discussed in one of the other threads.

+1

NOT EVEN FOR EVAN FREAKIN' TURNER?!?! NOT EVEN IF WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LAND LEBRON?!?!

Nothing is worth taking Brand's contract nothing.

Adam1221 wrote:Nothing is worth taking Brand's contract nothing.

That's just pure ignorance. Brand's contract is truly onerous, but the #2 pick in what many scouts consider to be the most talented draft since '03 IS worthy compensation for taking on such an unsavory contract. Evan Turner is Brandon Roy v. 2.0 or better. We could really use guy "moose" like Elton, and he could use a 2nd chance.

Besides, what are we planning to do with the $8mil or so we'll have left after offering a max contract? There won't be a player on the market available for that kind of money that's better than Elton, let alone Evan. Losing Devin hurts, but we'll have more than enough firepower on the perimeter to replace him. Can you honestly think of a scenario with the situation we have now that gives us a better lineup than this?

Williams, (Turner - #2), [James], (Cousins - #3), Lopez
Conley, Lee, Roberts, Brand, (Jordan - #31)

ecuhus1981 wrote:NOT EVEN FOR EVAN FREAKIN' TURNER?!?! NOT EVEN IF WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LAND LEBRON?!?!

The numbers don't work where you can add Turner/Brand and still afford LeBron. I'm sure LeBron is drooling at the thought of playing with Elton Brand for the next 3-4 years

deviljets7 wrote:The numbers don't work where you can add Turner/Brand and still afford LeBron.

Yes, they do. The trade works under the CBA right now, as evidenced by the Trade Machine link I provided in the original thread. And we WOULD still have enough money to offer a max FA contract to a player with 7-10 years of NBA experience (like LeBron).

Assuming 1) a salary cap of $56mil, 2) the Nets not exercising the team option in Chris Douglas-Roberts' contract, 3) the Nets would buy out Keyon Dooling if they didn't trade him in this scenario, and 4) Kris Humphries exercising his player option, here's our payroll situation:

'10 - '11 Salary (in millions)
Harris - $9.0
Jianlian - $4.0
#3 pick - $3.4
Lopez - $2.4
Williams - $2.2
Lee - $1.4
#27 pick - $0.9
Roberts - $0.9
Cap holds for 3 roster spots - $1.5mil
Dooling - $3.8 (only $0.5 guaranteed)

= $26.2mil, or $29.8mil under the cap. A max contract for LeBron would start at $16.8mil, which leaves us with $13mil in additional capspace. By executing this trade, we subtract the salary of Harris, Jianlian, the #27 pick and Dooling's would-be buyout (a combined $14.4mil), and take on:

Brand - 16.0
Conley - 4.9
#2 pick - $3.8

-- $24.7mil, which is $10.3mil more than we send out (despite the disparity, it DOES work with current '09-'10 salaries, since KD's deal is worth $3.8mil for trading purposes). $13mil - $10.3mil leaves us with $2.7 in wiggle room, which is the most we would be able to pay Hump if he doesn't opt out. It's really tight, but it works, and I think it's a better use of our capspace than anything else on the market, unless Wade wants to take a paycut. I mean, Joe Johnson, Amar'e Stoudemire and Chris Bosh will settle for nothing less than the max, which they can get from other teams. Others like Dirk, Pierce, Yao and RayRay will stay with current their teams. So, $13mil puts us in the market for the 3rd-tier guys, like Carlos Boozer, David Lee or Rudy Gay. Can any of them offer more than Evan Turner, Mike Conley and Elton Brand? I say no.

deviljets7 wrote:I'm sure LeBron is drooling at the thought of playing with Elton Brand for the next 3-4 years

C'mon, man, why wouldn't James want to play with a veteran bigman with All-Star experience, defensive versatility and a high skill level? Elton is still rounding into for after his injury, and doesn't mesh well with the youngsters in Philly who don't want to play a lick of D. On a contending squad and under a coach like Avery or Thibodeau who preaches and rewards defense, he would be a superb 6th man. He'd also provide great insurance in case either DeMarcus or Derrick aren't ready to support a championship run in their formative years.

philly gets raped in this deal...

jerseyjac wrote:philly gets raped in this deal...

OK, boo-hoo for PHI if you want. But according to ESPN's Chad Ford, the Sixers are ready to give up the #2 pick in this year's draft to a team willing to absorb Elton Brand. We could be that team. Thabeet and the #27 is better return than they are going to get from other teams with the capspace and interest to acquire Elton, and Dallas can only entice with Beaubois and future 1sts.

I am all for taking on Brand's contract if we can get the #2 and keep the #3 pick.

Ecuhus, I dont like your deal though.

I also dont have as much confidence that Lebron is coming here.

So I want to continue the rebuilding process. I would rather have Twill, Turner, Cousins/Favors, and lopez compete next year and let them improve as much as possible. Go back to the lottery and try to get another high pick.

I believe more in the way Portland and OKC are going then to just throw out money out of FAs ala Dallas Mavs.

Brand is a year further removed from surger and is a hard worker and great locker room guy. I think he has some good basketball left in him. If you like Turner, taking on Brand is a very reasonable way to go.

S.I.C. GM wrote:I am all for taking on Brand's contract if we can get the #2 and keep the #3 pick.

Ecuhus, I dont like your deal though.

I also dont have as much confidence that Lebron is coming here.

So I want to continue the rebuilding process. I would rather have Twill, Turner, Cousins/Favors, and lopez compete next year and let them improve as much as possible. Go back to the lottery and try to get another high pick.

I believe more in the way Portland and OKC are going then to just throw out money out of FAs ala Dallas Mavs.

You are contradicting yourself with these statements.

You say you don't like my deal, then you say, "I would rather have Twill, Turner, Cousins/Favors, and lopez". We don't own both the #2 and #3 picks for Turner and Cousins, unless we do this sort of deal to acquire Brand.

LeBron is irrelevant for the purposes of the proposal. That's a FA move; he has nothing to do with the trade itself. I agree that if we can get him or Wade, we're better off saving our money. But even if by some horrible luck we whiffed on all the major FAs, Prokhorov will probably execute a TPE trade for a short contract like Jefferson (oh, the irony), Dunleavy, Martin (again, the irony), Stojakovic, Kirilenko or Prince. All of these would come with youth-based incentive for taking onerous contracts off of the hands of cash-strapped teams. Future picks, Lawson, Collison, Daye, even some lower lottery picks this year. Believe me, there are plenty of worthwhile way of using our capspace, and we could maintain our ability to play in the 2011 FA spending spree, since all of the big contracts I mentioned above are 2011 expirings.

(Keep in mind, though, that Brooklyn's own Carmelo Anthony is in negotiations with Denver right now for a 3-year extension, and Durant isn't leaving OKC. Landing either elite SFs is a pipe dream, and 2011 won't be nearly as fruitful as 2010.)

But I will tell you this: Conley, Williams, Turner, Cousins, Lopez and Brand IS a 2011 playoff team, so you can kiss the lottery goodbye.

ecuhus1981 wrote:
You are contradicting yourself with these statements.

You say you don't like my deal, then you say, "I would rather have Twill, Turner, Cousins/Favors, and lopez". We don't own both the #2 and #3 picks for Turner and Cousins, unless we do this sort of deal to acquire Brand.

How am I contradicting myself? I didnt say not to trade for Brand and the #2. I just said. I just dont like your trade.

ecuhus1981 wrote:NOT EVEN FOR EVAN FREAKIN' TURNER?!?! NOT EVEN IF WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LAND LEBRON?!?!

I think this pretty much sums it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLggd069Ljc

ecuhus1981 wrote:

Adam1221 wrote:Nothing is worth taking Brand's contract nothing.

That's just pure ignorance. Brand's contract is truly onerous, but the #2 pick in what many scouts consider to be the most talented draft since '03 IS worthy compensation for taking on such an unsavory contract. Evan Turner is Brandon Roy v. 2.0 or better. We could really use guy "moose" like Elton, and he could use a 2nd chance.

Besides, what are we planning to do with the $8mil or so we'll have left after offering a max contract? There won't be a player on the market available for that kind of money that's better than Elton, let alone Evan. Losing Devin hurts, but we'll have more than enough firepower on the perimeter to replace him. Can you honestly think of a scenario with the situation we have now that gives us a better lineup than this?

Williams, (Turner - #2), [James], (Cousins - #3), Lopez
Conley, Lee, Roberts, Brand, (Jordan - #31)

All right I probably got over my head and getting the second pick would be nice if we can keep the #3 pick, but trading Harris is really what puts me off that deal.

Something along the lines of CDR,YI, #31,GSW pick and #27 for Brand and #2 and you can sign me up.
At the end of the day getting Brand means to us at least that we're going to rebuild with our young core and that's it no help from FA.
We cant just give up Harris like he's just another piece a guy like him who's a top 7 PG in the league when healthy (he's like the Rose's, Rondo's and Westbrook's of today, a fast PG that every true contender needs) on a fantastic contract is hard to come by.

Going forward with Harris,Twill,Turner,Favors and Lopez would be fantastic.

I feel you, and I'll see what I can do about keeping Devin. But you have to understand that moving him in this deal isn't JUST about moving his salary so that we still have max capspace. Philly wants to dump Elton if they're selling the #2 pick, but I'm sure that's not ALL they want. We have some talent that they would want that I'm not willing to give, and some other talent they wouldn't really want. But we do have one asset that in a 3-way could net appealing value for the Sixers (Thabeet), along with some value to give back to us as well (Conley).

Devin Harris is not on the level of Rose or Rondo.

vincecarter4pres wrote:Devin Harris is not on the level of Rose or Rondo.

Maybe not as good as Rose but definetly just as good if not better than Rondo, I dont buy into this playoff hype fact is he's playing next to 3 HOF players next to him, until we see him lead a team calling him a top 5 PG imo at least is overating him.