Dirk : Realistic Hypothetical once Lebron moves first

[JKiddy]

I have done some research. Dirk is opting out. The Nets have about $26-$27 million to spend.

Dirk is opting out. Dirk is missing one thing - A TITLE. He has a HOF career that will be guaranteed with a title just like KG (a few years ago). He has made $122,798,373 over his career so far. Dallas has made every move possible so far. If they cannot flat our sign Lebron/Wade I think Dirk will not re-sign. He will be a Free Agent to sign with any other team. I respect Mark Cuban but it just hasn't worked out. He needs to team up with a better supporting class that fits how he plays and play with another star.

If Lebron/Wade or even Joe Johnson leave for NJ/Brooklyn I see Dirk highly considering leaving.

NBA players know the true value of a young talented group like Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, Terrence Williams. Chris Douglas-Roberts, and our 3 new young guns we will draft next month.

Lebron will not take anything but the max.

But, I can see Dirk (32 years old and not super greedy or poor by any means) making the necessary move to the Nets to win a title alongside Lebron/Wade (and maybe JJ).

Lebron gets the 5 year deal with NJ for $96.5 million (or so) around 15 million a year starting out year one with the necessary incremental increases.

Dirk could sign for 5 years for $80 million (he is 32). He can start at $10 or $11 million a year. This would leave the Nets with money to sign a veteran minimum player and fill out the team.

Imagine a team with a new strong coach (Avery Johnson, Phil Jackson, Coack K, Tom T):

and a lineup of:

Harris
TWill/Turner
Lebron
Dirk
Lopez

CDR
Favors/Turner
Yi
Dooling
Willie Warren
another new 2010 pick
Veteran minimum

[Preludepunk27]

If Dirk (more line "when" at this point) opts out, he's gonna be a Max Player. I think he'd be the best player to pair up with Lebron too, but we can't sign him outright. I'm totally fine trying to work an S&T for him though. Dirk may be the only candidate I'd throw Twill at in the package, I just don't know what Dallas would want in that move though.

With that said, Nets will do one of 2 things (maybe both on or before draft night:

1. Trade a package for a legit PF to pair with Lebron

2. Trade away some package for pure cap space to have the cap for 2 max players.

I've convinced myself this will happen. You guys will have to talk me off a ledge if neither happen though.

[JKiddy]

Long week - cross out Veteran min with Courtney Lee and move him up to 6/7/8th man (possibly starter if we don't get ET)

[netsforever]

Dirk isn't going anywhere.

He's tight with Cuban.

If anything, this move is designed to help out Dallas - Dirk is going to take a pay cut slightly to help bring in more talent.

Mavs could be deadly next year with whatever they use Dampier's contract for...

However, they need to give Beaubois more playing time no matter what they do... he could have helped against the Spurs (see: Gordan Dragic)

[vincecarter4pres]

Dirk can only sign a 4 year contract, not 5 and it would start even higher then a max for a guy like Lebron because of the number of years he has played in the NBA.

[God Squad]

LMAO! First you need Lebron for this plan to work. Thats the only way dirk would consider NJ.

[jerseyjac]

LMAO! First you need Lebron for this plan to work. Thats the only way dirk would consider NJ.

almost forgot that...

[Cruzeirao]

Dirk would be the perfect "robin" to Lebron.
But he will never leave Dallas.

So, if he is going to play with Lebron, it will be James going to the Mavericks.

Last season, we tried to trade Devin for Al Jefferson. If we could get a deal like this (Al Jeff and Rubio for Devin and our pick), i would be happy.

Rubio, Lee, Lebron, Al Jeff and Lopez would be very good for ten years.

[vincecarter4pres]

We tried to trade Devin for Al Jeff?

[Preludepunk27]

Somewhere on Nets Daily someone posted an article from one of the writers on NBA.com. They stated that if he had to guess that either Kevin Love or Al Jefferson will be on a different team by the end of draft night.

Philly, even though they can nab Favors or Cousins at 4, I personally won't think would move down to #4 unless Minny took Brand's contract. Even if Minny is sweating Turner, I don't know if they would do that.

Even though we didn't luck out with John Wall, #3 is turning into an interesting pick for us. We may be able to hold the pick ransom in Turner falls to us. If it does, I'd still take Turner, but if someone offered us something we can't refuse, you gotta take a listen. I'd love to figure a way to land #4, Love, Rights to Rubio. I would probably be flamed up a flagpole if I said us giving them #3, Yi, CDR, #27 by Minny fans (and a few jersey fans), but that is a no brainer to me. Then draft Wesley (maybe trading down another pick or two if someone really wants Cousins) and just go into free agency with that roster. Maybe that or a late draft night deal for pure cap space (is Indy under the cap) and get the room for 2 max players.

Now I'm just getting irrational though lol.

[ecuhus1981]

I think our chances of landing Dirk just got a little bit better by adding Avery Johnson. It's still a long shot that he'll sign anywhere but Dallas, BUT I think we could offer an intriguing opportunity. He already knows Avery and Devin. IF LeBron came, Dirk would get to play a Gasol-esque role as lethal 2nd option, which may suit his personality better. Having Brook around means always having a favorable mismatch, and our cadre of young swingmen (Williams, Lee, Roberts, Turner???) would keep things interesting. Is it July 1st yet?!

[2011Champs]

I am thinking the addition of Avery Johnson as head coach greatly decreases NJN's chances of landing Dirk. I think Dirk was instrumental in the departure of Avery from Dallas. Also Dirk was rumored to be one of the biggest supporters of Harris leaving for Kidd.
I really believe Avery would probably rather have more of a bruiser/enforcer type PF than a finese PF such as Dirk.
I am not saying it would be impossible to sign Dirk if Lebron lands in NJ but Avery Johnson and Devin Harris would be reasons for Dirk not to sign with NJ.
On paper I think NJ would compete immediately for a championship with Avery Johnson, Lebron James and Dirk added to the mix.

[vincecarter4pres]

I am thinking the addition of Avery Johnson as head coach greatly decreases NJN's chances of landing Dirk. I think Dirk was instrumental in the departure of Avery from Dallas. Also Dirk was rumored to be one of the biggest supporters of Harris leaving for Kidd.
I really believe Avery would probably rather have more of a bruiser/enforcer type PF than a finese PF such as Dirk.
I am not saying it would be impossible to sign Dirk if Lebron lands in NJ but Avery Johnson and Devin Harris would be reasons for Dirk not to sign with NJ.
On paper I think NJ would compete immediately for a championship with Avery Johnson, Lebron James and Dirk added to the mix.

Yeah, have to pretty much agree with all of this, was thinking along the same lines myself.

BTW, for everybody, we would need something like 37 million in cap space to sign both Dirk and one of Lebron or Wade.

[JKiddy]

Vince,

The Nets will be making a deal to cut some more space soon to trim another 3-4 mill. At that juncture can you not see a max guy coming and signing for the $16.9/17 mill for 5 years and if Dirk wanted to come to not take the remainder of say $12-14 mill per season for 4 years?

Dream Scenario after that cost cutting deal:

LeBron/Wade for the $96.5 mill over 5 years straight signing
Dirk/Bosh for $70-$80 mill over 5 years or $56-$60 over 4...

Better yet they can both split it down the middle if they are man enough to want the title more than the extra $8-$12 million over 4 or 5 years... They can grab that in endorsements in one season...

[vincecarter4pres]

Vince,

The Nets will be making a deal to cut some more space soon to trim another 3-4 mill. At that juncture can you not see a max guy coming and signing for the $16.9/17 mill for 5 years and if Dirk wanted to come to not take the remainder of say $12-14 mill per season for 4 years?

Dream Scenario after that cost cutting deal:

LeBron/Wade for the $96.5 mill over 5 years straight signing
Dirk/Bosh for $70-$80 mill over 5 years or $56-$60 over 4...

Better yet they can both split it down the middle if they are man enough to want the title more than the extra $8-$12 million over 4 or 5 years... They can grab that in endorsements in one season...

Max guys are not going to sign below max.
Yes I believe winning is important to these guys.
Yes I know these guys are filthy rich already.
Yes I know they make a fortune in endorsements.
They are not going to take pay cuts though, at least not that big.
Maybe, maybe, Lebron or Wade leaves and signs outright for 5 years, because I honestly think that neither team will S&T there player. Bosh is a different story.

This is the last big contract Dirk is going to get and it isn't unlikely to concieve that he retires after this contract is up. He can get around 90 million over 4 years at max, he isn't signing for 10 to 20 million less over more years and that's a pipe dream to think Bosh comes any cheaper then 6 years at full max, BC has already stated they will attempt to work a S&T.

[ecuhus1981]

I never heard a word of Dirk orchestrating Avery's departure (that was Kidd), but I agree that Avery had lamented not having a tougher bigman in the past. Still, would we turn him down? Nope.

[enetric]

Vince,

The Nets will be making a deal to cut some more space soon to trim another 3-4 mill. At that juncture can you not see a max guy coming and signing for the $16.9/17 mill for 5 years and if Dirk wanted to come to not take the remainder of say $12-14 mill per season for 4 years?

Dream Scenario after that cost cutting deal:

LeBron/Wade for the $96.5 mill over 5 years straight signing
Dirk/Bosh for $70-$80 mill over 5 years or $56-$60 over 4...

Better yet they can both split it down the middle if they are man enough to want the title more than the extra $8-$12 million over 4 or 5 years... They can grab that in endorsements in one season...

I cannot. Dirk will be making more than Lebron next season not less. Book it. His years of service allowing him to get the higher raises...that's what I think this opt out is all about.

[enetric]

Vince,

The Nets will be making a deal to cut some more space soon to trim another 3-4 mill. At that juncture can you not see a max guy coming and signing for the $16.9/17 mill for 5 years and if Dirk wanted to come to not take the remainder of say $12-14 mill per season for 4 years?

Dream Scenario after that cost cutting deal:

LeBron/Wade for the $96.5 mill over 5 years straight signing
Dirk/Bosh for $70-$80 mill over 5 years or $56-$60 over 4...

Better yet they can both split it down the middle if they are man enough to want the title more than the extra $8-$12 million over 4 or 5 years... They can grab that in endorsements in one season...

Max guys are not going to sign below max.
Yes I believe winning is important to these guys.
Yes I know these guys are filthy rich already.
Yes I know they make a fortune in endorsements.
They are not going to take pay cuts though, at least not that big.
Maybe, maybe, Lebron or Wade leaves and signs outright for 5 years, because I honestly think that neither team will S&T there player. Bosh is a different story.

This is the last big contract Dirk is going to get and it isn't unlikely to concieve that he retires after this contract is up. He can get around 90 million over 4 years at max, he isn't signing for 10 to 20 million less over more years and that's a pipe dream to think Bosh comes any cheaper then 6 years at full max, BC has already stated they will attempt to work a S&T.

I agree. it will be hard enough for a max contract value free agent to turn down the extra cash and extra year from his exiting team to do a straight signing and in reality you are talking about 4 mil over the first 5 years. That huge final security year...hard for most to turn down.

But actually take millions less each season? No one does it. No one bites on the no state income tax nonsense either.


I think our best bet is to sign a guy worth less than max than try to get a second star who is flat out going to get the max. A lebron might bolt and worry about his secutiy yar later. he will make the extra 4 mil up with ease when he wins...and in a bigger media market. Joe Johnson? Amare? Even Bosh? Not so sure. And dirk? Forget it. Not getting Dirk as a SECOND star brought in. Not going to happen.

He will scare the Mavs into making sure they make some off season moves....and he will get paid HUGE to stay.