Thorn turned down Dooling for Beasley??

[ChampionRed]

According to Netsdaily.com

Jason Smith of ESPN Radio's "NBA Today" podcast reports that an NBA general manager told him the Heat offered Michael Beasley to the Nets for Keyon Dooling and "Rod Thorn turned them down". Smith described Thorn's decision as yet another indication of how badly the Heat want to get rid of Beasley.

However, a look at the two teams' salary structures show that it may be more about cap space. Beasley is scheduled to make $4,962,240 next season while Dooling is only owed a $500,000 buyout on his $3,828,000. The Nets have a team option on Dooling exercisable June 29. So taking on Beasley would have reduced the Nets' cap space by nearly $4.5 million. It would have made the Heat much more competitive in free agency this summer as well, giving them more than $25 million to spend...as well as Dwyane Wade.

Very interesting if true.

[Preludepunk27]

There were rumors of this a few weeks ago as a possiblity. I wouldn't be surprised if it was true and I agree with Thorn for declining it. We don't want to give any team we're in competition with in free agency a leg up and this move does not make us more enticing to free agents. They can just call D-Wade to hear him bash the kid which I've read he's done quietly for some time now.

Though our chances aren't the best at a star FA, it's better than some other teams that have cap room right now clearly. Miami isn't gonna be gifted cap space from any team who actually thinks they could get a tier 1 or high tier 2 free ageny at this stage in the game.

[vincecarter4pres]

^^Exactly.

[demens]

We were talking about Beasley for cap with addition of James Jones and Cooks contracts. This is just ridiculous. I feel like we have Isiah running things, i wish Thorn would have been fired more and more every day.

I'm willing to bet any of you that $4.5 extra cap wont make a god damn difference in the least when Summer time comes. You will see. #2 pick 2 years removed for NOTHING, jessh, 21 years old (unlike Yi). I guarantee you, we will get a player much, much worst then Beasley for that money or not spend it at all.

[Morthello]

If this is true i have no problem with it. We just went through a terrible season without making any moves that could have possibly gotten us some talent but we didnt because we're sticking to the plan of cap space for FA's. To make that trade; getting rid of RJ and Vince would have been vain. We may strike out in FA but we're still likely to get a PF in the draft anyways and as Prelude said; why give another team more of an advantage in the FA market and further hamstring ourselves? Gotta look at the bigger picture and not make rash moves.

[demens]

What more advantage? The Heat have all the advantage they can handle.

the plan of cap space for FA's

You know who else has this strategy? The Knicks.

Whats the point of cap space anyway, isn't it to get talent here, hopefully at a reasonable price. HELLO, 21 year old #2 pick on a rookie contract.

[ChampionRed]

According to the topic on the general board, a heat insider on the heat forum says that Riley also asked for the #3 pick..which of course would be the real reason why thorn declined. Apparently their source is legit..but who knows lol

[vincecarter4pres]

I would just like to say that Beasley is not a very good basketball player.
He has a million red flags, from off court and personality issues, to his terrible basketball mentality, lack of size and length, lack of actual skills, doesn't have nearly the potential some say and athleticism not nearly as good as advertised.
In hindsight he would have never went 2nd overall if the draft was redone today, more like 7 to 10.

[demens]

According to the topic on the general board, a heat insider on the heat forum says that Riley also asked for the #3 pick..which of course would be the real reason why thorn declined. Apparently their source is legit..but who knows lol

That would be a no brainier, not sure how a minor detail like that doesn't get mentioned. But judging from the other packages including Beasley we've heard rumors about, i think i believe the deal was just Beasley for Dooling, without the 3rd pic.

[demens]

In hindsight he would have never went 2nd overall if the draft was redone today, more like 7 to 10.

I think if Beasley is a 21 year old junior coming out of college today he goes #2 in this years draft. Just ignore what you know of him being a stoner and how he played for the Heat. He would have been dominating college had he stayed, clear #2 imo.

[demens]

Btw, The "insider" said "this years pick" He didn't say the #3 pick.

[vincecarter4pres]

In hindsight he would have never went 2nd overall if the draft was redone today, more like 7 to 10.

I think if Beasley is a 21 year old junior coming out of college today he goes #2 in this years draft.

No way in hell IMHO.

Just ignore what you know of him being a stoner and how he played for the Heat. He would have been dominating college had he stayed, clear #2 imo.

And he would also still be a 6'7 tweener that prefers to shoot jumpers then dominate the paint, doesn't like to pass, isn't laterally quick enough to defend small forwards and isn't tall enough or strong enough, nor has the instincts to guard power fowards or anyone in the post.

If Beasley every gets it you're talking about an Antawn Jamison type. That isn't the #2 overall.

In the 2008 draft, in hindsight these 5 guys easily go before him, easily...
Rose
Brook
Westbrook
Mayo
Love

These guys arguably do as well, but none are locks...
Gallo
Gordon
Batum
Randolph
Ibaka

Locks to go over him even if he stayed at college and continued a similar statistical dominance...
Wall
Turner
Cousins
Favors

Probably no one else in this draft that would even be arguable if we're assuming he stayed, so in my humble and honest opinion, he would go 5th.

[Adam1221]

If it was a straight up salary dump of Beaz, than there's no way you say no to that.
As much as this guy hasnt dominated in the NBA like was expected to, he definitely still has the potential to do so, especially on a team that doesnt have a superstar like Wade hogging the ball.

[richboy]

Might be one of those we will wait and see deals. I could see Beasley ending up in NJ if the Nets strike out on free agents at a later time. Not really a reason to run and make that move right now.

[enetric]

What more advantage? The Heat have all the advantage they can handle.

the plan of cap space for FA's

You know who else has this strategy? The Knicks.

Whats the point of cap space anyway, isn't it to get talent here, hopefully at a reasonable price. HELLO, 21 year old #2 pick on a rookie contract.

The Nix didnt have that plan. The Knicks plan was to give AWAY assets to get cap room at all costs. And it cost them talent, picks and prospects to do it.

Ours is to slow build, add and keep high draft picks while doing it and when giving away better talent in a trade to ADD picks and prospects.

The Knicks will go shopping after a season where they will have given away 4 of their top 5 players from the past season (Lee, Harrington, Nate and Jeffries) along with a #8 pick from the last draft who they chose over some pretty impressive guys, they already had given away their 2010 pick years ago, plus they added their 2012 pick, and agreed to take the lesser of the 2011 picks between them and Houston. All they have left to show for it is Gallinari, Douglas, and Chandler and they still have Curry's contract on the books.

Us? For 15 less wins, and only 9 mil less in cap space we still have the 6 most desireble players/contracts on our team coming back with all but one of those guys under their rookie contract. Plus the #3, 27, and 31st picks in the draft. We own all our number ones after this season, plus a future GSW #1 pick. We can easily create the extra 9 mil in cap space.

You want Thorn's head? The guy did EXACTLY what you should do when you want to build a winning team. He set the table with a stocked stable of young talent and draft picks and now he can go shopping for a center piece and more. As timing would have it since he started this adventure 3 seasons ago, he will get to shop with the power of moving to a major market and the richest owner in the sport coming in to back up his sales pitch.

And there is talk of fire him? He pulls this off and he is the executive of the year. The goal isnt to use cap space to add better players. The goal is to use it wisely on the RIGHT players. Better players for the hell of it and you end up with the Knicks of the last decade. Francis, Marbury, Zach, Harrington, Hughes, Q, Curry, and on and on and on...

[enetric]

We were talking about Beasley for cap with addition of James Jones and Cooks contracts. This is just ridiculous. I feel like we have Isiah running things, i wish Thorn would have been fired more and more every day.

I'm willing to bet any of you that $4.5 extra cap wont make a god damn difference in the least when Summer time comes. You will see. #2 pick 2 years removed for NOTHING, jessh, 21 years old (unlike Yi). I guarantee you, we will get a player much, much worst then Beasley for that money or not spend it at all.

The risk VS. reward for Besley Vs. the cap space is a lot more reasonable that trading potentially 3 lottery picks just to make an extra 6.5 mil in cap space like the Knicks did with Jeffries. They already had the cap space for one max player and Jeffries along with Curry comes off the books next season anyway. To give away that many of your chips for no guarantee? That's huge risk for the reward. Worst case scenario for us...we get no one and we are back in the lottery again.

Worst case for them they get no one, lose Lee and Harrington without compensation, and next year they get to give their lottery pick to Houston for a much lower pick, plus give away their lottery pick in 2012 for nothing.

Beasley is what you are crying about? For a shot at Lebron +? Come on now.

[demens]

Is it really that different then what the Knicks did?

Hypothetical: We already have Beasley.

Nets can sign 1 max
Knicks can sign 1 max

Knicks make a move give up a pick now they can sign 2 max
Nets make a move give up Beasley now they are close to sign 2 max.

We dont have Beasley, but we could if we wanted to right, for the cost of not quite having enough money to 2 max guys. Now the Knicks pick is gonna be what, 7 to 14? If they end up with a few decent FA this year it might not even be a lotto pick. Is that really giving up more then Beasley?

[vincecarter4pres]

Beasley is so mediocre, what are you going on about?

[Aussie 2point0]

The big E is back! and delivers two knockout punches.

Demens you are starting to lose me.
Some of your posts seem childish and the broken english you type means you are a teenager or a foreigner were english is the second language. But that is niether here nor there with me. I try and read every post with an open mind. But your take on Beasley is no good. Trust me if it took the big E to respond to your post then your in trouble. But your entitled to your opinion.

Anywho.. How many of you guy's were high as a kite on beasley before he was drafted??
Come on now don't make me research the old topics cos I will find them!!

So I will give you people one chance to be honest. (I'm starting with you prelude then vc your next)

[Preludepunk27]

^^^^

Feel free to look up my comments. I am almost positive I barely even spoke about him. We were a late lotto pick, why would I waste my time talking about someone we couldn't acquire. It's basically like how I maybe only mentioned John Wall once or twice since the initial shock of how the lottery played out.

I can tell you who I talked about in great lengths the most in that draft: MARREESE SPEIGHTS. I wanted him on our team bad. He is a solid young player in Philly, but I'm starting to give him a hot trash label since I've noticed how much of a black hole he is. I even got in a huge argument with someone he was a top 7-8 talent in the draft. I said things about his character issues but never thought he'd fall past Phoenix at 15 if people got scare of that...well he fell to 16 but I was close. I'm glad how that draft played out for us though.

But my love for Speights in that draft just goes to show you, you can be high on someone and then in a year or two, realize how they really aren't that good. I think Beasley could be a good player and I none of my comments about him I don't think came off as saying "This guy sucks. I don't want him." What I was trying to say is that it's not the move for us at this time. I'm not giving up cap space to help a competitor for this summer yet. Though our chances are low for 2 players (not even talking about 2 max guys now; just hypothetically 1 max and 1 solid player), I'm not making a move like this until we've "emptied all our bullets" as Charles Barkley would say. We have a handful in the barrel so I'm taking my chances with that. If this was August/September and we haven't signed anyone and this was offered, I'd think more seriously about it.

With that said, if this was late summer and this offer was on the table (won't be...Beasley will be in Minnesota or Memphis before that happens), I still don't think I'd do it. He's young, but history tells us guys that have the mentality like him rarely "Get It" and put everything together. He can be a starter in the NBA in his prime, but I can't see him ever becoming the player people hoped he'd be. I'd rather stand pat, package Yi/Hump for an ok vet SF expiring contract and go hard at Melo the following summer.