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I was thinking the other day, man I was so pissed we missed out on Wall and that now we are screwed this offseason when it comes to Lebron and the other max guys. Then I was thinking even more today we are still in good shape. I think it's clear that LBJ and Bosh want to pair up and that pissed me off knowing that the knicks could do it and they would probably go there. The more I thought about it we are still in better shape.

Toronto knows they are losing Bosh and already made it known they would work with him to get a S&T done. We could be that team to help out Toronto all the while giving LBJ and Bosh what they want by teaming them up. I saw that CLE and CHI would love to pull this off but we could blow away any offer they could put out there. I was hearing stuff from CLE like West, Jamison, Andy, and a pick. CHI could do something like Deng, filler, pick. None of those (at least I think) would interest TOR. If they lose Bosh they need to start rebuilding so we could offer young players and multiple picks. YI, CDR, T-Will, #27, and 2012 1st. That gives Toronto 3 young players to build around and 2 picks which is better then anything the other teams could offer.

If LBJ and Bosh want to win we give them the best chance to do so.

Harris
C. Lee
LBJ
Bosh
Lopez

That team is young and talented and would offer the best chance to win now and into the future even more so then if they both went to the Knicks. The Knicks would still have no C or SG and Curry's contract is going to solve that. We still would have #3 and #31 to add to our bench.

We could legitimately go into next season with this lineup

Harris/Dooling or whoever
C.Lee/#31
LBJ/Vet Shooter
Bosh/Favors
Lopez/Shaq

Coach: Phil Jackson

I'm I just crazy or could this truely happen. I mean all they talk about is winnning and teaming up and I know Shaq would come for the vet min to win another ring (being from Newark he would love to bring a ring home). I mean what if Turner really drops to #3.

Harris
Turner
LBJ
Bosh
Lopez

I mean really Newark for 2 years shouldn't stop them if they truely are men of their words and really want to win because that is a dynasty.

I was thinking similar stuff when the Chicago rumors popped up. I was like "Dude we could make a much better offer to Toronto than Chicago." It's funny that they are saying Chicago is in a better "win-now" mode. I'm sorry though, I think we'd be just as good if we got Lebron and Bosh instead of Chicago. Their argument is around Derek Rose and Noah being the solid young guys to play with. Though Harris is no Derek Rose our roster would be just as good in my opinion.

July 1st will be interesting though. New York is the only team that can offer 2 contracts on the same day. Every other team needs to have one in place, then make the moves to get the other. I personally think the big name free agents will not sign fast and see what teams plan on doing.

Yeah your right Harris isn't Rose but Noah isn't Lopez either and 15 mil, 20 mil, whatever it takes could land us Phil Jackson (something CHI probably wouldn't do).

Is that going to happen NO, I've been a fan for too long to get my hopes to high.

I think still having that number #3 pick could easily land us a solid player or two to help fill out the bench (instead of drafting Favors), which is something CHI wouldn't have then a good bench.

the 12 wins is what really makes the nets look unfavorable in FA's minds.

Im probably in a minority with this, but ive always thought that having Harris as our point is more attractive to any big FA that may think to come here instead of Wall. He's in his prime, has playoff and finals experience, an all star, and most important; proven. One bad season( although 17ppg and 7 assists is no slouch) because of injuries and everyone forgets the 08-09 season(just a year ago) when he put up numbers that are actualy slightly better than Rose's this year while plaing next to Carter who at the time was still lighting it up.

Getting the 3rd pick; although not as sexy a pick as Wall, gets us what we need most in a legit 4(hopefully Favors). Then focus on getting a wing that can stretch the floor by trading maybe Yi ,CDR and some picks or look for some shooters in this draft. At this point i would not trade Twill under any circumstances.

Somthing iv noticed in todays league and lookin at the last 10 or or so championship teams is they all had dominant post players. Ask Kobe and D Wade how they feel about having a dominant front court. Tell me when the last time a superstar that plays the 1 through 3 thats led theyre team to a championship without the bigs up front. Look at the finals we're watching now; two teams that feature dominant big men. Draft Favors and still sign an Amare of Bosh; the more depth at the 4 and 5 the better. If im Thorn; im hoping he tells Proky to sell this to Lebron. Chi has Noah who i love as a player but the way ive seen people trying to sell him as a go to big has me perplexed. So basicly i see it as if im Lebron do i want to play with the all star pg or the all star center? In this league where good guards are increasingly easy to come by and bigs are scarce; you take the big evertime. But basicly what i wanted to say was not getting Wall doesnt hurt us in pursuit to 2 max players imo. The most important factor for the nets possibilty of signing a top flight FA happened when Proky was approved a few weeks ago. I like the second lineup you have and although its probably a long shot; if proky really wanted it to happen he could sign Jackson, im confident of this, but at this point i'd be fine with Avery.

jc23 wrote:the 12 wins is what really makes the nets look unfavorable in FA's minds.

I think that makes it look unfavorable in the mind of the media not so much players and agents unles you look at the win loss and think...thats the caliber of talent they will have to surround you with.

The Knicks have 15 more wins...still sucky and they gutted their team of their top players, prospects, and up coming draft picks. If winning matter what's better 12 wins and all the talent we will STILL have after adding the star players or 27 and giving up everything good you had?

I think long term we have more young upside talent than the Bulls, have more tradeable assets...can make more moves around Lebron. Somewhere along the line...that is going to make sense if it hasnt already to Lebron and his team or people.

The table is set here to make the most moves long term over every team with cap space.

The Knicks have a piss poor front office being lead by Dolan whose piss poor history speaks for himself. I think the players will take that into consideration...

Anyone read this bull that Jay-Z been saying. How he is too much of a puss to influence Lebron because he is friends with him and the Nets might be 4-30. What kind of a nonsense crap is that. I cant believe he said that.

I've said this in not too recent past. **** Jay-Z.

demens wrote:Anyone read this bull that Jay-Z been saying. How he is too much of a puss to influence Lebron because he is friends with him and the Nets might be 4-30. What kind of a nonsense crap is that. I cant believe he said that.

I've said this in not too recent past. **** Jay-Z.

Well, Marbury may have been waived, but it looks like we have a new celebrity posting here. Everyone welcome this man!

Try this

demens wrote:Anyone read this bull that Jay-Z been saying. How he is too much of a puss to influence Lebron because he is friends with him and the Nets might be 4-30. What kind of a nonsense crap is that. I cant believe he said that.

I've said this in not too recent past. **** Jay-Z.

Oh? But I thought this whole premise of the "two max free-agents" is pure idiocy? Why care what Jay-Z says to Lebron if we're not going to land him and the top tier FAs, right? After all, cap space is the most overrated thing in the NBA, right?

SpeedyG wrote:Oh? But I thought this whole premise of the "two max free-agents" is pure idiocy? Why care what Jay-Z says to Lebron if we're not going to land him and the top tier FAs, right? After all, cap space is the most overrated thing in the NBA, right?

Right, absolutely. I'm not entertaining the thought of 2 Max, not now, not in the post above and not ever. This is about Lebron and Lebron alone. And when our owner, the guy that might be our only advantage at the end of the day, when that guy says he wont bother because he doesn't want his boy to blame him later for bad advice...BECAUSE THE NETS WILL SUCK!!!?? Wtf is that about. I can even be cool with the 1st part of him saying he wont get involved, whether he actually wont, or he is saying so for the media. But why the hell take a jab at your own team? Not even the biggest haters of haters think the Nets would be that bad again, why would some bs like that out there.

My two cents worth is this.

If Lebron is purely interested in money he goes to nix (dam it hurts to say that)
Heres why. The knicks are about to be the first (I believe) NBA franchise to be a publicly listed one. The Cable TV company that owns the Knicks and MSG is about to be on the stock exchange (if not already). My point is that if Lebron chooses to buy shares in the Cable company at say 5 dollars (just an example) a share. Then two weeks later announces that he is signing with the knicks. Ticket prices go up. Luxury suites go up. revenue goes up profits go up. Oh and a little thing called share prices yep you guessed it goes UP! Lebron makes a stupid amount of money that no other team could match.

If Lebron is purely interested in winning titles then a big city franchise like Chicago would be a clear choice. They have money to spend and a winning history. Only major negative is supporting cast. Cleveland has shown spending money on the wrong support cast can be costly. Cavs are clearly more talented than the C's. But the C's clearly were the better TEAM!!

Which leads me to the Nets. We have the money, we have the JAY-Z connection, the bright future but no winning history. The pro to that con is the fact we have a sport loving gazillionaire just taking over who will spend the mega bucks to get the RIGHT coaching and support cast. We also have the brand new arena and the shift to Brooklyn.

Which brings me to the Cavs. They have the hometown advantage. Unfortunately they rolled the dice on this year and came up with snake eyes. The owner seems to be running short on cash. However what are the chances of Lebron not opting out and saying to the owner you got me for two more years so spend big and spen wisely this time and we will have another crack at this title. Which would then be just the right time for Brooklyn to be built. Plus Lebron will have had two years of looking at what Prok has done. That might be enough to convince him. Maybe just a pipedream maybe not .

Thoughts?

Sorry if this should be in another thread but it just felt right to post here

Wasn't there some silliness about Lebron owning the Knicks on wiretap about a month ago. Not possible from what i remember.

demens wrote:Wasn't there some silliness about Lebron owning the Knicks on wiretap about a month ago. Not possible from what i remember.

Exactly. Even if they go public, there are stipulations in players' contracts and in the CBA that do not allow active players to buy shares of their or any other team. It's called circumvention.

Anyway, I think it's far more likely that we get LeBron than Bosh. Bosh seems to really want to strike out on his own; Wade and James may WANT him to be their 2nd banana, but he wants to be an alpha dog. That's why I think he'll either go to the Rockets, who have put together a great young nucleus that Chris would still be able to call "his team", or the Bulls, which would be a bigger NBA market than Houston IMO.

If neither of those options seemed appealing for whatever reason and LeBron signed here, I think he'd seek us out. The problem is, I'd like to send out Yi in an S&T deal for a premier PF, but the Raptors have no use for Jianlian with Bargs as their foundation (I shudder to think...). PHX does like Yi, though, so maybe if Amar'e went to TOR, and Bosh came to NJ, everyone would be happy! Wishful thinking, I know. But it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out...

ecuhus1981 wrote:

demens wrote:Wasn't there some silliness about Lebron owning the Knicks on wiretap about a month ago. Not possible from what i remember.

Exactly. Even if they go public, there are stipulations in players' contracts and in the CBA that do not allow active players to buy shares of their or any other team. It's called circumvention.

Anyway, I think it's far more likely that we get LeBron than Bosh. Bosh seems to really want to strike out on his own; Wade and James may WANT him to be their 2nd banana, but he wants to be an alpha dog. That's why I think he'll either go to the Rockets, who have put together a great young nucleus that Chris would still be able to call "his team", or the Bulls, which would be a bigger NBA market than Houston IMO.

If neither of those options seemed appealing for whatever reason and LeBron signed here, I think he'd seek us out. The problem is, I'd like to send out Yi in an S&T deal for a premier PF, but the Raptors have no use for Jianlian with Bargs as their foundation (I shudder to think...). PHX does like Yi, though, so maybe if Amar'e went to TOR, and Bosh came to NJ, everyone would be happy! Wishful thinking, I know. But it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out...

With Yao slated to be healthy next season, it's safe to say that Houston would be YAOs team, not Bosh's.

ecuhus1981 wrote:

demens wrote:Wasn't there some silliness about Lebron owning the Knicks on wiretap about a month ago. Not possible from what i remember.

Exactly. Even if they go public, there are stipulations in players' contracts and in the CBA that do not allow active players to buy shares of their or any other team. It's called circumvention.

Anyway, I think it's far more likely that we get LeBron than Bosh. Bosh seems to really want to strike out on his own; Wade and James may WANT him to be their 2nd banana, but he wants to be an alpha dog. That's why I think he'll either go to the Rockets, who have put together a great young nucleus that Chris would still be able to call "his team", or the Bulls, which would be a bigger NBA market than Houston IMO.

If neither of those options seemed appealing for whatever reason and LeBron signed here, I think he'd seek us out. The problem is, I'd like to send out Yi in an S&T deal for a premier PF, but the Raptors have no use for Jianlian with Bargs as their foundation (I shudder to think...). PHX does like Yi, though, so maybe if Amar'e went to TOR, and Bosh came to NJ, everyone would be happy! Wishful thinking, I know. But it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out...

Come on now, you don't seriously think with all the money and advisors that Lebron would have at his disposal, that he would do something so stupid as putting his name or company as the owner of the shares. They call them ratholes. Where somebody holds all the shares in there name or business. Then when Lebron wants to cash them in. The rathole hands over a cheque with an absurd amount 0's on it. Less his commission. Yes it's illegal, but every stockbroking firm does it. The paper trail is clean. Not saying he would do it. But he definately can if he wants to.