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After reading about The big E's man crush on CP3 I have found a trade that works on trade checker.
You know me guy's I like to spitball. So hear goes
Harris, Lee and Humph
For
CP3

I know there positives and negatives (negatives mostly from NOH)
Do we need to throw in a first?
Do we need to offer more?
Do we need to take back more? (i.e bad contract)

Discuss

We'll probably have to throw in some 1st round picks and take Okafor's contract.

Mainly because this trade will start the rebuilding phase for NO, so they'd want to start fresh.

Haha...we've talked about this issue and skirted around it but never created a thread for it until now. The situation is a little complicated but not too much. Here's my take:

NOH current position: Declining Franchise, Probable Rebuilding Process, Superstar who will more than likely ask to be traded behind closed doors, Have good young guards that proved to be good temporary replacements during CP3's injury absence.

What the Nets should do:
1) We wait for the season to progress a bit before looking into a trade for CP3. Obviously, we need to make sure that he's 100% before we officially sign off on trying to get him. I know that he's been playing pickup games but that's nothing compared to an 82+ game schedule. We'd all rather trade for a healthy CP3 than take a gamble. Waiting also gives us Lee and Harris a chance to show that they have improved. If the combo proves to better than expected we may keep them for the sake of the team. Waiting and patience is a win/win for us.

2) I think that even if NOH and the Nets have the same record 20/30+ games into the season, CP3 would still agree to a trade with us. It's clear that we're going to be a rising team and with him (or any superstar for that matter) we will be able to build around him, do so quickly, and become a contender. Our advantage is that we have an owner that wants to spend, he'll be an area that is dying to have a good team, and that global icon status that an unnamed person passed on can be given to a more more deserving player.

3) As far as what to trade him for, it depends on how good CP3 plays and how well Harris/Lee play. Although, I really don't see Lee getting that much better anyway. But here's a huge bonus that can play in our favor, NOH is already over the salary cap: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm
With them possibly changing ownership as well as shedding salary in general, it makes getting CP3 much more feasible. Also, since they're over the cap that means you can actually trade CP3 for Harris alone and it will work. This is what the Trade Checker said when I did CP3 for Harris: "Due to New Orleans being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New Orleans had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement."
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5627393

Obviously, I highly doubt that they'd do that but the point is that we could essentially give them less and still get CP3 especially if they're looking to save money. If things play out correctly, we can get him on a good deal, maybe just the Harris and Lee alone if Harris plays better this season. If we get CP3, write Melo on the locker next to him if he doesn't sign an extension. Melo has already said that he doesn't know why guys wouldn't want to play in NYC. He's from Baltimore and he actually likes playing under pressure. Plus, they both are under the Jordan brand. Imagine the marketing that they'd get in NYC under that?

Anyway, no more day dreaming. Basically, if we get CP3, we get Melo if he doesn't sign an extension.
CP3-SG-Melo-(more developed) Favors-Lopez + our bench. That's a sick team. Obivously, I could be dead wrong if NOH plays somewhat well. If this doesn't happen, you can replace CP3's name with D.Will cuz they both have the same situation. Both coming back from injury with teams that probably won't do so well. We'll see...should be interesting.

I appreciate the follow up. But...that offer doesnt com close. For Paul they will want BLUE chip. Be prepared to give up one of Favors or Brook to get him, That's the startting price. I think...if you can make them a deal where they DONT have to take Devin...that makes them happier. So? Can you off load enough cap space to do what they would really want?

Paul/Okafor for mostly prospects and cap space? Picks can be included as well...but I think that is what would put us out front of other teams. Offering the guy you want to replace, a back up big man and the perimeter player you find the most expendable doesnt grab the best PG inthe NBA...a top 5 overall player.

The price could drop over time...but at the end of the day....they are are going to get offers that include a top tier piece. If you are not saving them significant cash to their payroll why should they take that deal? If you can save them the cash...kick start their rebuild with a core rebuilding piece...NOW you give them reason to seriously consider it once the losing starts.

enetric is right

to get CP3, you would first and foremost have to give up Brook Lopez and take Okafor.

something like this would work

CP3/Okafor

for

Lopez/T Will/Harris/

may have to get another team involved because of money. But would definitely help you get Melo next year as well

Yeah, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I was just following the original outline and logic of the first post. IF Harris and Lee were the part of the pieces, where could you go. I agree though that you do have to give up a lot to get a lot. However, taking back Okafor's contract is just sickening.

Emeka Okafor: 10-11: $11,540,375 11-12: $12,541,812 12-13: $13,543,250 13-14: $14,544,687

I don't want to have sound like a whining kid but do we really need to take that abomination of a contract to make it work? Something gives me the feeling that Charlotte gave him this deal when he played for them.

NyCeEvO wrote:Yeah, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I was just following the original outline and logic of the first post. IF Harris and Lee were the part of the pieces, where could you go. I agree though that you do have to give up a lot to get a lot. However, taking back Okafor's contract is just sickening.

Emeka Okafor: 10-11: $11,540,375 11-12: $12,541,812 12-13: $13,543,250 13-14: $14,544,687

I don't want to have sound like a whining kid but do we really need to take that abomination of a contract to make it work? Something gives me the feeling that Charlotte gave him this deal when he played for them.

Taking that deal is what makes getting Paul a possibility. I just wonder if it's such an albatross to them that they'd be willing to trade Paul without having to get back Brook or Favors. I suppose it depends on what other teams are willing to do, and if New Orleans is willing to just ride it out even if the team is performing poorly (I doubt this).

changchang wrote:enetric is right

to get CP3, you would first and foremost have to give up Brook Lopez and take Okafor.

something like this would work

CP3/Okafor

for

Lopez/T Will/Harris/

may have to get another team involved because of money. But would definitely help you get Melo next year as well

I think you took what I said to the extreme. Yes...I think the deal you outlied gets it done. But....doubtful you will get many of the "fans" to say yeah...Lopez out. I did say or Favors...and that is the guy most are going to say OK...lets bite the bullet there. Now...that doesnt mean I am saying hell no to Lopez. If the deal went down? And we stil had one of the bigs...it would settle in later...hey we got Chris Paul.

Now, you went full throttle on the rest of it...and I wonder if in the end it actually took ALL of that.

Like...OK...better big man included...most of us value Twill over say Lee...and I could see it being Lee rather than Twil. Especially if we ate Okacrap's contract which I think is a must in this type of deal...or at least what gives us an edge over other teams for NO...the organization...not its fans to say...Yeah....picked up something saved millions at the same time gotta do it.

I happen to think...and call me crazy...That one of those three names on our side could be left out of the trade. Just a theory...but I dont think NO really wants Devi Harris. I think if they traded Paul ...they already have their next PG in Collison. Why pay 9mil per for Devin? Not that he isnt much better than Collison at this stage...its just that...if you are going to rebuild...I dont see Devin as the ideal piece coming back. I think its assumed Nets would want to move Devin if they got Paul.

So? How to resolve it. If the Nets can create more cap space by moving Devin for another quality player on his rook contract....can they take on Okacrap with Paul having less salary going back to the Hornets? Can they send Outlaw for example in the deal and move Devin elsewhere?

Just my thinking. In that scenario....more likely to get Twill included.

If Devin were included...I think Favors/Devin picks gets it done..maybe not in July...but in February if the Hornets have a losing record and Paul is about to lose his mind publically...or actualyl does? Yes. Could it be say, Brook/Devin? Or Favors/Devin/ Twill or Lee? Sure.

But that take all package PLUS a dump of a terrible contract is most likely not the way I see it ending up. These deals rarely yield al you can ask for. When superstars get dealt its not because their previosu team thinks...this is a great move to improve the franchise right now. Its becuase something has pushed them in that direction. Financial reason, losing, unhappy player...and in this case...the Hornets could be looking at all three. The key is...not how can our team steal him. Its what gives us the best offer out there over everyone else. What will the market be? No matter what...the winner of this game will end up sending less than the Hornet fans think they should have received. Just the way it always seems to end up.

NO shouldn want some bigs. I think we'd have to give up Favors. They wouldn't want Lee or Harris because of Thorton/Collison so I dunno. I don't think Favors + Multiple 1st rounders is enough for Paul.

You are right, I dont think New Orleans would want Harris either, but I just threw that in there for financial reasons. And yes, New Orleans would want some bigs

I think we could pull it off, by sending Lopez/Favors/TWill to New Orleans for CP3/Okafor. It maybe a little much, but we would get the best PG in the game, with a great chance of signing Melo next summer.

We could then trade Harris away, and Okafor too if we please.

OK....LOpez AND Favors...doubtful. Cant see that ever.

ANd there is no great change of signing Melo. If he doesnt sign the extension...which he will if I had to bet....you just gave away the cap space we had for Okafor.


As for wing player Lamak...its not about position as much as its about contract. NO need to take on a 9mil PG when you have a 2nd year rook contract talent you want to groom. But...you would take on another rook contract SG to add to your stable of assets. Devin has value...I am sure if he plays well....his 9mil contract is actually a great contract per league standards. Its just not what I think NO would want. I think he has more value in say a deal for Granger...who is probably more obtainable than Melo anyway.

I oultined an idea for how to do both of those trades in another thread...,but not at this tim. Se3veral things have to happen first.

Outlaw would have to play well. Ditto Devin...and stay healthy.

NO has to LOSE....and their team sale has to continue to stall. Finanically driven trade pressure is GOOD for us as a team that can actually take on Okacrap and save them big bucks. Not many teams can do that? Hell...can anyone do that for the current season out of conference AND give them a quality piece or two to restart?

The Hornets aren't gonna lose as long as CP3 plays. The balance in the NBA is definitely shifting to the EAST. Heat, Celtics, Bulls, Magic, Hawks, Knicks, etc. The West has fizzled besides the Lakers. The Hornets will be like a 6 seed in the West.

Thats why we need CP3 now, to make a splash. To get Melo to not sign his extension and come home to Brooklyn, to be able to compete with the top teams in the East.

I dont see Melo making his decision like that. And either way....you didnt resolve how to get Melo as a free agent after trading for Paul since under your plan you gave away the cap space. You dont have a legit plan you have a fantasy idea. Its fine...but at least make it cap possible. If its not cap possible then you might as well talk about flying monkeys and unicorns.

Its possible the Hornets win games this year. Sure. But to what level? .500? Or will they be a legit top 5 seed? Will Paul be happy? And more improtanty...what happens with the financial situation in NO? 30mil apart on the value of the team sale...losing money...Shin a hot mess.

There are factors here that could prompt a trade as the year goes on. There is no splash to made in July 2010 that turns Melo off of a 65 mil 3 year extension in Denver in that same weaker WEST you just spoke of where he already has a top 3 team in his conference just so he can have the pleasure of coming here in 2011.

If Melo decides to test free agent waters...he wont do it with a set target in mind....and Paul wont be the end all be all even if you do resolve how to have the cap space to get him.

Deal with that first...worry about the fantasy later.

I guess what E is really trying to say is that getting the players and creating a championship team isn't as easy as we're making it seem. First of all, any deal that takes both brook and favors is a no go. I'm hoping that melo doesn't sign the extension either but who is going to turn down 22mil per? Unless he really wants a change we'll have to really hope that he just doesn't want to stay in Denver. Honestly, I think George Karl's health does play a role in his decision. But with the possibility of a lockout you'd think melo would be insane not to take it right?

I think what most of us realize is that if we're going to be in the running to get to that championship team we're obviously going to need a second superstar.

E, I also mentioned Utah and d.will in my earlier post and I've talked about it in others as well. Couldn't actually be easier to get him instead of paul? Not that much easier but if things don't go well in Utah, they would need a guard in return and they don't have replacments like NOH does. Since they lost Matthews and Brewer last year (which really pissed off d.will) they might actually prefer a starting package of Harris and lee. Am I way off base here?

Side note: the games that I have watched Williams v. Paul, Williams usually goes nuts. I think he just hates the talk that Paul is better lol. You've gotta like that fire though.

I originally said we can trade Okafor is necessary. I dont think he and Harris would be that hard to move. That would then free up cap space. And we all know Melo has been dying to come to home New York, the Knicks that is. But with CP3, he would come to Brooklyn before the Knicks.

Yeah, pure speculation I guess. but with the lineup we have at the moment, we would will 20 games again this year. We NEED a superstar.

But its not gonna happen, if we wouldnt trade for CP3 to help get Lebron, we're not trading for him now. So yeah, this is my pipe dream scenario

changchang wrote:I originally said we can trade Okafor is necessary. I dont think he and Harris would be that hard to move. That would then free up cap space. And we all know Melo has been dying to come to home New York, the Knicks that is. But with CP3, he would come to Brooklyn before the Knicks.

Yeah, pure speculation I guess. but with the lineup we have at the moment, we would will 20 games again this year. We NEED a superstar.

But its not gonna happen, if we wouldnt trade for CP3 to help get Lebron, we're not trading for him now. So yeah, this is my pipe dream scenario

Who would take Okafor??

changchang wrote:I originally said we can trade Okafor is necessary. I dont think he and Harris would be that hard to move. That would then free up cap space. And we all know Melo has been dying to come to home New York, the Knicks that is. But with CP3, he would come to Brooklyn before the Knicks.

Yeah, pure speculation I guess. but with the lineup we have at the moment, we would will 20 games again this year. We NEED a superstar.

But its not gonna happen, if we wouldnt trade for CP3 to help get Lebron, we're not trading for him now. So yeah, this is my pipe dream scenario

Okafor will be incredibly difficult to move. Contract size, length, and his talent don't mesh.

BigWil17 wrote:

changchang wrote:I originally said we can trade Okafor is necessary. I dont think he and Harris would be that hard to move. That would then free up cap space. And we all know Melo has been dying to come to home New York, the Knicks that is. But with CP3, he would come to Brooklyn before the Knicks.

Yeah, pure speculation I guess. but with the lineup we have at the moment, we would will 20 games again this year. We NEED a superstar.

But its not gonna happen, if we wouldnt trade for CP3 to help get Lebron, we're not trading for him now. So yeah, this is my pipe dream scenario

Okafor will be incredibly difficult to move. Contract size, length, and his talent don't mesh.

Exactly. If Okafor was that easy to move, New Orleans would have done it already.

Make the deal. But, there is no reason to give up Lopez since Paul needs talent around him. You give up Harris (an All-Star) for him because they play the same position and they will need some talent there. They have youth at PG and can play Devin at the 1with Thorton at the two. Have Collison come off the bench ala Vinnie Johnson and just have an instant impact.

Put, TWILL at the 3. Take Humphries as a great bench player. Take out 1st round pick in 2012. I think that's good enough if we add in a 2nd rounder as well.

Harris, T Will, Humphries, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, $2 million.

PROKOROV MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW.

WE still have money and we bring in MELO (BROOKLYN BORN) next off season.

2011-2012 Nets Starting lineup could be:

C Lopez
PF Favors
SF Melo
SG Morrow
PG Paul
6th Lee
7th Outlaw
8th Farmar
9th next year's 1st rounder
10th Petro
11th ?? - whoever we keep or get in a deal
12th ?? - same as above

TEAM WOULD BE NASTY

Hornets would be tight too in 2012 with that pick... plus they have Harris, T Will, Collision, Thorton, West, Okafor...they would probably move Okafor and either Collison or Thorton to grab some other players...

All around this could work

Trade ID #5628828
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5628828

Add in a 1st, 2nd, and $2 million

Tough to see any scenario we could get Paul without giving up Favors. I will say that the 3 teams he wants to get traded to collectively have nothing to offer that would top Harris, TWill, and picks. In fact, none of those teams have anything close. The question is going to be how aggressively teams bid who are not on his list.